The real fact, though we probably see the repeat of what happened after 9/11 when we were told that X had chemical/nuclear weapons when this was completely false not even an exaggeration.
This works both ways. Sensationalist reporting shifts the Overton window in the same direction, whether or not the story is actually true. So you may end up with a situation, where a misrepresented party starts embracing bad behaviour faster than they otherwise would, simply because "if everyone already thinks we're the monsters, one extra bad act ain't gonna make a difference".
Flagged for completely misleading title. s/isn't real/isn't fully implemented yet, but on the right course the 2020 and let us describe all the existing elements/
Not now; chinese great e-wall is also started from a humble beginnings.
You start with ... we do not care ... then ...
There is no debate here. Any non-democratic society or even democratic one with no effective oversight ... or even with effective oversight shall not classify its citizen like this.
Be aware that China doesn't have a national police check or a credit check system either private or public.
Imagine trying to rent a house or get a loan without a credit check or police check.
The social credit system is basically a police check and a credit check combined. A bunch of other groups and companies are trying to add extra things to it (smoking on the bullet trains) basically the same as public interest groups in every county. Some will probably succeed but 80 to 90% of it just a combination of:
1. A Credit Check
2. A police Check
3. A no-fly list
If this is Orwellian then every western country is already miles ahead of them.
I appreciate you clarifying the incorrect representation of the system. People tend to assume everything in China is communism, it really is not. This is a capitalistic change.
> Imagine trying to rent a house or get a loan without a credit check or police check.
You mean like how it usually is? (UK)
None of the places I've rented ever required a credit check. That includes a couple relatively recently when I was briefly nomadic thanks to recession. When I was a landlord for a few years I did not credit check. I've only rented once in the South East, perhaps it's different for letting agencies and landlords down there.
Police check? For what? Only potential employers can ask for a criminal record check, and only some of those are allowed fuller details.
Loans check credit history, for sure, but before loans were pushed credit checks were not a thing. You had to rely on the local bank manager, who would usually try and dissuade you from borrowing too much. Quite the reverse of what we have now.
So perhaps all Western nations are not as far ahead as you appear to believe.
> If this is Orwellian then every western country is already miles ahead of them.
Yes, this is actually how some western countries look like from the outside. Awfully unfree surveillance police countries where people believe they are the most free.
Peter Thiel said it in 0 to 1: China is one of those countries where it looks scary powerful from a foreigner’s perspective, but on the inside, people are panicking and really have no idea what they are doing most of the time. There’s this illusion of efficiency and order whereas the reality is inside China it is just as chaotic as any other country.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 42.0 ms ] threadWe should be careful not to let the frog boil.
But is the fact already available and the trend is ... ok or not ok. If they gas a few people and is that ok?
Is it ok to kick you out from the whole train system ... or should this be done via a legal system and you ... Really what fact you need ...
The real fact, though we probably see the repeat of what happened after 9/11 when we were told that X had chemical/nuclear weapons when this was completely false not even an exaggeration.
If China does X then report X not X^2
I expected better from an FP article.
You start with ... we do not care ... then ...
There is no debate here. Any non-democratic society or even democratic one with no effective oversight ... or even with effective oversight shall not classify its citizen like this.
Imagine trying to rent a house or get a loan without a credit check or police check.
The social credit system is basically a police check and a credit check combined. A bunch of other groups and companies are trying to add extra things to it (smoking on the bullet trains) basically the same as public interest groups in every county. Some will probably succeed but 80 to 90% of it just a combination of:
If this is Orwellian then every western country is already miles ahead of them.You mean like how it usually is? (UK)
None of the places I've rented ever required a credit check. That includes a couple relatively recently when I was briefly nomadic thanks to recession. When I was a landlord for a few years I did not credit check. I've only rented once in the South East, perhaps it's different for letting agencies and landlords down there.
Police check? For what? Only potential employers can ask for a criminal record check, and only some of those are allowed fuller details.
Loans check credit history, for sure, but before loans were pushed credit checks were not a thing. You had to rely on the local bank manager, who would usually try and dissuade you from borrowing too much. Quite the reverse of what we have now.
So perhaps all Western nations are not as far ahead as you appear to believe.
Yes, this is actually how some western countries look like from the outside. Awfully unfree surveillance police countries where people believe they are the most free.