Outline is a service which bypasses WSJ's paywall. I believe it does so by imitating a web crawler. The idea is that WSJ can't paywall a crawler otherwise its SEO will be destroyed. Thus it is a reliable way to capture the information.
I agree, and FYI, if you click the 'web' link which is under the article title on the comments page, if you click the first result, you will have google effectively do what outline.com does for you.
I'm confused on why this works. I see the promoted version at the top of the SERPs opens up the full article, but the first actual SERP, which is the same article shows the paywall.
Do you know why google allows WSJ et al to serve one set of content to a crawler, but another to an actual user? I thought they punished that kind of behavior.
> Outline is a free service for reading and annotating news articles. We remove the clutter so you can analyze and comment on the content. In today’s climate of widespread misinformation, Outline empowers readers to verify the facts.
Perhaps, if the poster can be relied upon to follow the terms:
You represent and warrant that you have all the rights to the Content and that none of the Content: (a) infringes, misappropriates or violates any Intellectual Property Rights;
Do you actually believe whoever posted the original link has the rights to the content? And is not infringing the Wall Street Journal's IP rights?
News Corp ( WSJ's owner ) is one of the largest companies in the world. It's founder is one of the wealthiest men in the world. I don't think anyone at the WSJ is starving. Besides, if you want to support journalism, find and support independent journalists doing real journalism rather than mega corporations. If anyone needs support, it's the independent journalists.
It's not up to you to decide from whom you're allowed to steal content. You can't steal money from Bill Gates's wallet just because "you don't think he's starving," even if you plan to give that money to a needy charity.
Reading proprietary content behind a paywall for free isn't stealing? What else could it possibly be?
How about "circumventing" the ticket window at your local movie theater by walking in the exit door. I mean, they are showing the movie anyway, and there are empty seats...
Little bit late to answer, but it's a bit different situation with this exact paywall. It's movie theater that give everyone access for free, but randomly decide not to provide these access based on where you come from.
So using 3rd-party website to access their content is not any different that accessing the site through Facebook redirect for instance since in both cases you get content for free.
Not to mention it feels more black and white. Killing a dissident journalist in your embassy in another country, coming from up top, directly contradicts the promises/suggestions made by the Prince that SA is modernizing and becoming more free/open. The coverup was amateur, in part aided by Ergodan mastery at slowly leaking intel that just kept poking holes in SA’s story.
Meanwhile fighting “terrorism” has lots of gray, and is notoriously messy.
Yemen is a civil war that has turned into a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Things aren't black and white and its very hard distinguish between propaganda and facts.
Khashoggi is very black and white. A US journalist was killed after being lured into a Saudi embassy.
Exactly. The fact that 1) he has a face we can identify with, and 2) they lured him into an official establishment of their government and then killed him in cold blood. A place where you might otherwise expect the rule of law to prevail.
Yeah I understand that, what I mean is that from our perspective a person should be able to walk into a government office and be safe from extra-judicial sanctions. So a Saudi national may not feel that safe themselves, but it is harder for someone from a Western-style liberal democracy to intuitively understand and is therefore horrifying.
The press also hates when one of their own is killed (understandably). They have the power to keep it in the headlines, in this this case Turkey helped them out too.
A NY Times journalist explains why some wars are less covered in the US (by comparing Syria coverage to Yemen coverage in the US):
"Conflicts gain sustained American attention only when they provide a compelling story line that appeals to both the public and political actors, and for reasons beyond the human toll. That often requires some combination of immediate relevance to American interests, resonance with American political debates or cultural issues, and, perhaps most of all, an emotionally engaging frame of clearly identifiable good guys and bad guys."
I also wonder why my lawmakers haven’t responded to my requests to respond to the Rohingya crisis.
You’re right that the crisis in Yemen is enormous in scale, and it absolutely should be addressed, but the murder of a journalist threatens freedom of information and global accountability and is therefore particularly frightening in that it’s an attack on infrastructure instead of just a person.
Should US companies refuse Chinese investment? Should we stop buying oil from Venezuela? Are you for the Cuban embargo (Cuban intelligence agencies have propped up repressive regimes, like Venezuela, throughout Latin America)? Should Apple stop doing business with Chinese suppliers?
What Saudi Arabia did is BAD. Very bad. But I don't understand the singular obsession with it as a call to action, compared to the above for example.
Nah - They're only putting money into their own pockets by doing this. Look at it this way - you own 75% (a guess - but prob not far off) of a couple $trillion market. If you take some of your idle cash ($1billions) to pump the stock up - even if you "lose" that cash - but manage to stabilize the market - you're still doing pretty well for yourself...
Interesting to ponder how this would actually be structured as puts and calls, i.e., what does the arb trade look like to exploit the fact that the KSA government will always shore up bad trading days. Paging Matt Levine....
Nothing new - if there was 1% of the oversight on the markets that there is in the US, 90% of traders on the Saudi market would be put in prison for some sort of insider trading.... Rampant pump & dump has been going on for years.
I have no problem paying for good journalism, but it's the equivalent of posting a link to a book or a paywalled research article on HN. Useless to anyone that doesn't buy it or have a subscription.
Regarding downvotes for an opinion you disagree with: instead of taking the opportunity to present an argument that would change my mind on the issue, you’d rather that I continue flagging all WSJ articles and feel bad about being downvoted.
Crypto Jews manipulate stock market to appease Americans into not caring about their war crimes, color me surprised. To the downvoters -- Everything I said is factual, other than the surprised part.
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 118 ms ] thread> Outline is a free service for reading and annotating news articles. We remove the clutter so you can analyze and comment on the content. In today’s climate of widespread misinformation, Outline empowers readers to verify the facts.
A noble initiative, I think.
https://www.outline.com/terms.html
https://www.fullwsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-pumps-up-stock...
How about "circumventing" the ticket window at your local movie theater by walking in the exit door. I mean, they are showing the movie anyway, and there are empty seats...
So using 3rd-party website to access their content is not any different that accessing the site through Facebook redirect for instance since in both cases you get content for free.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18677791 and marked it off-topic.
That is, of course, if you're ok with some people being lured into an embassy and cut up into little pieces.
Meanwhile fighting “terrorism” has lots of gray, and is notoriously messy.
Also, Turkey has been dolling out new bits of information about the ambush regularly, keeping the negative stories rolling.
Khashoggi is very black and white. A US journalist was killed after being lured into a Saudi embassy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia
"Conflicts gain sustained American attention only when they provide a compelling story line that appeals to both the public and political actors, and for reasons beyond the human toll. That often requires some combination of immediate relevance to American interests, resonance with American political debates or cultural issues, and, perhaps most of all, an emotionally engaging frame of clearly identifiable good guys and bad guys."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/world/why-some-wars-like-...
You’re right that the crisis in Yemen is enormous in scale, and it absolutely should be addressed, but the murder of a journalist threatens freedom of information and global accountability and is therefore particularly frightening in that it’s an attack on infrastructure instead of just a person.
What Saudi Arabia did is BAD. Very bad. But I don't understand the singular obsession with it as a call to action, compared to the above for example.
Put another way, judging nations based on particular actions is iffy at best.
If there are alternative sources or means of access, they will likely be found. Personally, I don't demand to be spoon-fed.
This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18677791 and marked it off-topic.
This sounds quite exploitable. Buy low before the end of the trading day, sell high at the end.
Devious is shorting stocks or buying put options then creating mayhem to crash the market and really making $$$.