Launch HN: Saratoga Energy (YC W19), Better Carbon Nanotubes from Carbon Dioxide
I’m Drew, founder of Saratoga Energy (https://www.saratoga-energy.com). We make better carbon nanotubes at one-fifth the price. Carbon nanotubes are a form of nano-scale carbon fibers (5,000X thinner than human hair) with remarkably high strength, electrical conductivity, and thermal conductivity properties. This makes them useful in a variety of commercial applications.
Lithium-ion batteries designed for electric cars already use carbon nanotubes to reduce heat generation during charging and to improve electrical conductivity. This results in faster charging and improved battery life. However, the cost is so high ($300/kg) that battery manufacturers are forced to use the minimal amount, rather the optimal amount.
Our breakthrough in manufacturing cost enables battery manufacturers to use the optimal amount, allowing electric cars to safely recharge in 10 minutes or less. This could give electric cars the boost they need to replace gasoline engines.
The idea to start the company grew from an idea posed to me by my Dad back in 2012 - is there a way to transform carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, into something valuable? I thought this would be an exciting challenge because most carbon dioxide technologies at the time were focused on storing it in underground caverns or converting it into commodity chemicals where it would be difficult to profit without substantial government subsidies.
After reading an article about Tesla’s intentions to only source raw materials that were sustainably produced in North America, we settled on developing a low-cost electrochemical process to convert carbon dioxide into graphite. Graphite is an essential energy storage material used in lithium-ion batteries. After deciding on the product, my Dad and I put together a small team of chemical engineers to help with the patents and applications for grants from the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation.
When we received our funding, we began work with Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory to construct small batteries to test the material we had made. We noticed that some cells would charge three, or sometimes five times faster than commercial reference materials. So we pulled the cells apart to have a look at the graphite with a high-powered microscope. All of the fast-charging graphite was matted with tiny hairs (I later learned that it sounds cooler if you call them “carbon nanotubes”).
We thought about it for a few days and did some research. We eventually figured out that certain metals we had tested in our production process were likely responsible for the growth of carbon nanotubes. So we isolated those metals to test the theory. It worked!
Now we had a process that could either grow carbon nanotubes or graphite - both at an estimated cost under $5/kg. The difference being that the market price for battery-grade graphite is $10/kg and the market price for battery-grade carbon nanotubes is $300/kg.
If the price of graphite is reduced from $10/kg to $5/kg, electric cars get a bit less expensive and the market expands a bit more. If the price of carbon nanotubes is reduced from $300/kg to $5/kg, electric cars cold potentially charge in about the same amount of time it takes to refill a tank of gas, which could create exponential growth in the electric car market. We discussed this with our grant manager and agreed that it made sense to pivot and scale up the carbon nanotube process - which leaves us here today in W19.
What’s different about our technology is that we produce carbon nanotubes through the electrolysis of molten carbonate salts. The electrochemical reaction produces carbon (nanotubes), oxygen gas, and metal oxides, which are further reacted with carbon dioxide to re-generate the carbonate salt starting material. So the net reaction is the input of energy to drive the conversion of carbon dioxide to carbon nanotubes and oxygen.
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[ 5.2 ms ] story [ 93.1 ms ] threadHow big do you see this carbon nanotube market being, and thus how much net CO2 do you see yourself removing from the environment?
I think that the improvements to batteries will have a better value proposition than strengthening concrete, though perhaps you can get away with less filtering requirements for non-electrical applications. How much does this strengthening increase the life-time-value of the concrete? Concrete is under $100 per ton (poured cost, 50% of which is dry materials), and it seems like you're talking about 50% - 150% increased cost.
At scale, you are talking about ((40 billion kg) * 27 * (kWh per kg)) / (1 year) = 123.205917 gigawatts -- to makes 1267 kg of nanotubes per second for 40 million tons of carbon nanotubes per year. 123 GW almost certainly means hundreds of billions of dollars invested in power infrastructure for the purposes of carbon nanotube production for concrete. If you expect to scale with sustainability in mind, you should consider designing your entire reaction around the renewable energy source. Perhaps you can employ similar catalytic processes to the Co-Mo-S photo-hydrogenation from sunlight to achieve higher efficiency per area by using sunlight more directly.
... that's pretty good, actually, might buy us another year, on its own...
They're considering the possibility that CNTs pose specific health concerns (kind of like asbestos from what I understand), which would create quite a few regulatory changes in both production and usage.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/nanotechnology/
Their CNT patent portfolio is being licensed by a company called Black Diamond Structures, which is a joint venture with SABIC. They’re looking at battery applications.
Well that's half the battle. The other half of the problem is delivering that amount of energy in 10 minutes, particularly in areas that are already maxing out their capacity on hot summer days.
Every quarter I do a 1500km trip, which is split into two legs - the longer being around 1140km.
Assuming I started with enough charge to drive 300km, charging wouldn't affect my time, because I am human and need to go to the bathroom, eat etc.
[1]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbon-nanotube-d...
There is a team using Molten Carbonate Electrolysis to create Carbon Nano-tubes in the competition. It sounds like the are not related based on the 2012 starting date in the post. The team lead has been working on this for 30 years.
Also thank you for the response!
Who is your father and what is his career background? I see he was instrumental in putting you on this path. This was the quote that stuck out to me:
> “After deciding on the product, my Dad and I put together a small team of chemical engineers to help with the patents and applications for grants from the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation.”
How much capital did you two have to risk at this stage to pay your team before receiving the grants?