Not a useful answer but you could force 144p video. Youtube's audio quality associated with these ultra low quality video rates used to be abysmal but it's pretty good now.
Broaden your world view. HN is a worldwide community and internet is not universally good. Some people live in rural places as well, or on sail boats, or only have satellite internet, but they all love tech just the same.
I live in a first world country (Australia) with notoriously slow internet.
I’m not even going to touch “sincere” given his now documented history of lying outright, but non-corporate? Huh? How many corporations do you need to run before you’re corporate?
Just like you can have a solo “entrepreneur” who doesn’t actually have any revenue but acts “corporate” in a suit talking about his synergistic strategic partnerships, you can have the opposite.
It's more of a unorganized ADHD filled stutter delivered to Tesla fans. I am not discounting how smart he is to make the $ he made, but his skill level in public speaking is very low.
It gets the job done. Perhaps it would be nice if his delivery was as slick as Steve Jobs, but I think it's disputable whether him being a better speaker would have any practical benefit to the company. Would it have any effect on Telsa product sales?
My problem with his delivery wasn't the stuttering—I doubt most of us could speak any better than him in public—it was him interacting with randoms shouting in the crowd. It's cute once or twice but you couldn't hear what was being yelled so Elon's responses were often devoid of context.
He also has the humor of a 6th grader. He is able to accomplish a lot of impressive things, but his humor almost makes it painful to watch one of these presentation or follow him on Twitter.
It's ignorant to compare Tesla to the rest of the industry. Tesla only pretends to be in autonomous driving. You can't in fairness compare Tesla to actual companies like Cruise/MobilEye/Waymo that have real autonomous driving tech.
I wasn't comparing anyone. However, every one of the companies you mentioned have fallen short of their claims early on. I couldn't say whether Tesla has real self driving tech in the works or not, ignoring what they have released, but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved.
> However, every one of the companies you mentioned have fallen short of their claims early on
What's your source for this claim?
> but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved.
Self driving will always be constrained. Sure we don't have the tech to go anywhere in the U.S without any human intervention, but that's not the end all be all goal. Being able to reliably operate a fleet of autonomous vehicles in a traffic dense metropolis is a fantastic goal, one very close to realization.
> Sacramento – Pursuant to state law and regulation, the Department of Motor Vehicles today issued a permit to Waymo authorizing the company to test driverless vehicles on public roads, including freeways, highways and streets within the cities of Palo Alto, Mountain View, Los Altos, Los Altos Hills and Sunnyvale, in Santa Clara County. While Waymo has held a permit to test autonomous vehicles with a driver since 2014, the new permit allows the company to test a fleet of about three dozen test vehicles without drivers behind the wheel.
I am not saying Tesla is the company that should provide this, but at least Tesla generates headlines. We would need a modular approach, whether on a household level or on a regional level. The utility is not going to provide it and existing companies in SA don't offer household kits that includes a battery system like the powerwall.
Solar Roof is form over function. It doesn't seem to deliver as much electricity as a regular solar panel, it costs tens of thousands of dollars more, and generates less electricity.
IMO, Tesla should just quit the Solar Roof project. Just keep it to regular solar panels.
Wouldn't you say that the original iPhone was also form over function? Blackberries had e-mail, a browser and a built in camera, didn't they? People do care about looks, and personally, if people buy a solar roof because they think it looks cool, I'm glad to see more people buying solar. The fact that Tesla can also sell them battery technology is great as well. I don't think that all solar vendors can sell you a compelling energy storage solution.
iPhone didn't go from 30%+ US American solar panel marketshare (SolarCity circa 2015) to 9% marketshare. Tesla is being a very, very poor steward of SolarCity's business.
Sunrun is now the #1 solar company in America, because its offering better tech these days. Also, SolarCity lost its deal with HomeDepot, and the Gigafactory2 (Solar Panel Gigafactory) is idling / wasting money.
All in all, Tesla is running SolarCity very poorly, by any measurement. You can only buy SolarCity products from Tesla stores, and those few Tesla stores are closing down (or maybe not, depending on the mood of the company...)
> People do care about looks, and personally, if people buy a solar roof because they think it looks cool, I'm glad to see more people buying solar.
Virtually no one is buying Solar Roof. Last time I checked, the number of installations was under 1000, maybe under 100. There's no market for $100,000+ Solar Panels that fail to generate electricity.
EDIT: Looking into it more: the Solar Roof does generate electricity decently. But to make it fit and look more like a normal roof, almost 60% of the tiles do NOT generate electricity. Any tile that needs to be cut to size is a pure-glass tile without any solar panels inside of them. This means that you get far less solar at far higher costs than a typical installation.
It could be form over function. But my issue is that we have terrible power supply and no-one can fix the problem for themselves using solar. People here just get noisy generators that only provide partial power anyway.
A solar roof would also positively impact the sale price of your house. I don't have the answers here and maybe solar won't solve my country's issues. I am just throwing a rock into the bush.
Is it supposed to be? It looks a whole lot like the Model 3. Maybe a hatchback version of that. It looks like most places are calling it a "small crossover", which is basically just a sedan with a couple of inches of extra space in the back.
A lot of sedans are actually longer than SUVs (when I was looking to buy a car I had a spreadsheet with all the dimensions). Eliminating the trunk and lifting it a few inches seems sufficient to call it a crossover or SUV.
They say it has 66 ft³ of cargo space. An Audi Q5 has 53 ft³ of cargo space and Q7 has 69.6 ft³ (with seats folded), so...
If it comfortably seats 7 adults and can actually haul that much cargo, without being a lumbering hulk of an actual vehicle, I'd say that's a feature.
Admittedly some people want to drive a lumbering hulk of a vehicle down to their local elementary school or shopping mall, but perhaps they have to stick with ICE for now.
I'm reminded of Meet the Parents ("I have nipples Greg. Can you milk me?")
I'm sure my parents' Caprice station wagon had more volume. That's also not an SUV.
But car categories are definitely blurring these days. A lot of so-called SUVs just look like cars with the roof bulged up a few inches and a juice to the ride height. It's weird. The BMW X6 is an ugly abomination in my book ("let's take a car, and just... inflate it a bit, yeah?")
I think all of SUV "coupes" are horrible. Each one is uglier than the next. They scream "I have inferiority complex and fantasize a coupe but milady wants a truck". A incredible display of vulgarity.
It's not that big. Sure most groups of 7 adults if you short by size the 2 smallest might fit in the rear. But looking at it, seems like the 3rd row is only going to be practical for kids.
Indeed. I have an love my 2004 Forester XT. The new forester is MUCH larger and drives like a boat, no Turbo, and they added a CVT. The new crosstrek is near identical in size to my forester XT, but is MUCH slower.
So I put off buying another Subaru and am looking closely at the model Y.
Crossovers are — and I intentionally oversimplify — half way between a station wagon/minibus and SUV (4x4 wagon). The main features are higher ride, more head space (the roof of the Y is significantly higher than in the 3), more seats, hatchback instead of a trunk, and flexible seating.
The X and Y are well into crossover territory, they aren’t minibuses or SUVs.
Isn't the whole "a truck isn't a car so an SUV must not be a car" is an americanism based on some weird US regulation history? Outside the US SUVs are cars. And the largest SUVs such as the X5/Q7/XC90 are built on the same platforms as their non-suv siblings. The truck-based-original-SUV isn't a thing except in the US I believe.
Every price listed on that site has an asterisk pointing to "Prices include gas savings." So no, these are the gas spitball prices GP was asking about.
They are retail prices. It's been known for a few weeks now that it would be ~10% more expensive than the model 3, where the standard range model is $35k pre-"savings"
No, they are the actual price. The price with incentive plus "gas savings" is about 5k cheaper. As for the website, look down and to the left for the full retail.
They certainly have a common theme but they are fairly easy to distinguish in person. The 3 and S are really close until you compare their size or interior.
Without being a car enthusiast these are clearly not in the same category to me. I have hard time believing anyone being close to an X would not feel it: it is much higher. You feel much higher on the road seating in it.
It is less clear cut between S and 3, but driving them is making you feel how much larger/bulky the S is (having to fit luggages in the 3 is also making you realize how smaller it is). And S wouldn't fit in my garage while my 3 is fitting just fine :)
I mean unless you're not a car person to the point of "it has four wheels, it is a car"...
I think the exteriors are driven by aerodynamic requirements to maximize their range. So they all basically take the most aerodynamic shape possible which makes them look the same.
I too had to nuke both tesla.com cookies and also "force.com" ones (a CRM by salesforce). Seems like it has aggressive caching. Incognito also resolves it.
Off topic: I wish pages would stop hijacking my scroll. It makes for a jerky/buggy experience that I hate.
Scrolljacking is always bad. I have come across about two instances where it was almost decent, but they still managed to be bad. This is not one of those; this is one of the usual lot that are just plain bad with no redeeming features. Completely unusable on my laptop with touch, and infuriating to scroll with the touchpad or keyboard. And disabling JavaScript isn’t an option because then the entire page is completely broken.
I think Scaringe is super undervalued at the moment. The company is brilliant! Scaringe seems to like rockets too so I wouldnt be surprised if he starts his own space company at some point.
I was a bit shocked at the price being as low. They're putting in a Supercharger two miles away. Before today I appreciated what Musk was doing but never considered getting a Tesla. As of tonight I am reconsidering. My only unknown right now is going to be service.
Service with Tesla has been pretty good. For small things (like problems with those notorious doors) they will drive to you and fix it, even if the car is in a parking lot at work. You can schedule over text message and in the app. It's a refreshing improvement over your average luxury car dealer, who treats service as a profit center.
The issue is with parts - delays for some body parts mean your car may be sitting in the shop for MONTHS waiting for key pieces.
tbh, if I got a, say, BMW, knowing the nearest branch is 5 hours away, I would factor the possibility that it can be in the show for WEEKS, if not MONTHS, waiting on parts. (my 3-series has spent 2 weeks at the dealership at least twice)
I’m waiting on a fender, a door, and a bottom trim, and I’m at about a month total in middle-of-nowhere Midwest. Luckily, I can drive the (heavily dented) car until parts come in, but if the car can’t be driven then you’re stuck with the rental your insurance provides.
Driving the insurance's rental is perfectly acceptable. When you're really screwed is if the thing breaks down on you, and you have to pay the rental fees out of pocket, along with the repairs.
Don't know about the US or whereever you live, but in Germany rental cars are only provided by the insurance for about two to four weeks. After that you'll have to pay them by yourself.
Realistically you should factor in not having a car for any car purchase simply because your car could get totalled at any trip. But I find it surprising that parts and service could take so long. Being a BMW service center surely replacing parts is core to their job. I can get parts faster on my own.
It just seemed like the original commenter had planned ahead for many multi-month part shipments. Pragmatic perhaps but I would have to question my vendor!
I drive late model grey imports so my parts wait is just the time it takes to pull it off a wreck and ship it. I suspect the wait comes from the dealer/manufacturer relationship.
My guess is that if some distribution region is without new produce to sell because some other part of the company has fucked up the logistics, QUESTIONS ARE ASKED IN UPPER CASE VERY QUICKLY, whereas if it runs out of some sort of spare parts, questions get asked in lower case.
If my car gets totaled, my insurance will pay for a rental. If my car is at the dealer for 2 weeks, the dealer will give me a loaner. Does Tesla have loaners?
I’d like to see vehicle manufacturers, for the purpose of regular retail owners, extend the warranty of a vehicle if it spends more time in the workshop than the allotted time set out in the repair manual.
If remove and replace engine is, for example, 10hrs, then the car should be in the shop for no more than, say, two to three days. If it sits there for days > weeks > months waiting for parts the new car warranty should be extended by the same amount of time.
My guess is that’d go a long way to fixing the spare parts waiting times.
What are the possible reasons for such long waiting times on spares? It can’t be freight delays; it can’t be that the part isn’t available.
”What are the possible reasons for such long waiting times on spares?”
I get the impression that Tesla doesn’t like to keep a lot of parts in inventory. When a spare is ordered, it’s ordered from the manufacturer of that part.
Elon actually discussed this on the most recent conference call. He said that they’re trying to improve things by having parts shipped directly to service centres and body shops rather than via a Tesla distribution/logistics centre.
It’s just as bad at Citroen here in the UK. I had to replace a wheel on mine after I dinked it. Citroen had a two week wait time for this. I managed to get a wheel off eBay next day for £60 and took it to the local hooky tyre outfit who put two new front tyres on and this wheel in 30 minutes while I waited without an appointment.
eBay is great for items like wheels. I got a like new one for $70, the dealership wanted $390 for ONE, it woudl have been cheaper to buy 4 aftermarket wheels at the tire shop.
Premium cars tend to be less reliable, but it really depends on the car. Certain models are reliable, certain brands are more reliable, and if we're speaking in broad strokes certain countries make more dependable vehicles. If you want something that will just work, buy Japanese.
I had an old Toyota that I just drove and drove and would not die. Multiple cross country trips and I never ever serviced it, except changing the oil every ~50k miles. The thing just kept on going.
I just bought a brand new BMW and I had to take it back to the dealer to fix something that broke after 5k miles.
My car history includes Fords, Mazdas and Skodas (VW group), so nothing Japanese.
(Edit: Apart from the Mazda.... Obviously.....)
I don't know if the parent was talking about major crashes, or reliability issues, 2 weeks in the shop would be my limit of acceptability for any car, a month, I'd be asking for my money back assuming it were a reliability issue. And multiple 2 week waits or a month wait, I wouldn't be buying from that manufacturer or dealer again, whatever the reason.
Is that my European point of view? have I been amazingly lucky?
> (my 3-series has spent 2 weeks at the dealership at least twice)
I guess some things don't change.
I had a Z3 around 2000-01 and I distinctly remember driving down Austin's Mopac in my year old car with something like five warning lights' worth of problems glaring at me. Then at some point the dealership broke the clock during a service visit, and then there was the winter where the engine thermostat stuck wide open, so the car never warmed up and the heater didn't work.
Dealer service was terrible too. On one of my many trips in to the service department, I pulled in to a co-worker who had just relocated to the area with his 540i. They wouldn't provide a loaner car because he hadn't bought at the dealership. (Because he didn't live in the same state when he bought his car.)
My last service visit, I took the car in with a spare tire on and had to get the normal tire fixed elsewhere in the meantime. Of course, when I went to pick the car up, they refused to put the normal tire back on until I drove the car out front of the sales department and started jacking the car up to replace it myself.
3 weeks is not months. And is likely the exception.
My Jaguar had some issues, the dealership would overnight parts from around the US, and "if we need to go to the UK for them it'll be a couple of days".
> If it’s warranty work, Tesla will provide a loaner.
Which is usually not a Tesla. One of my friends complained that the BMW 5 series he got as a loaner couldn't drive itself, so it totally ruined his commute for the week his Tesla was in the shop.
Lexus is decent for those who don't mind polluting the atmosphere. For those who care about the environment, EVs are the future and Lexus is way behind.
It's much more nuanced. Compare hybrid Lexus and Tesla model S. Factor in electricity that is produced from coal plant, a lot of energy and pollution that come from extracting Cobalt and other substances. Creating the battery consumes a lot of energy as well and does produce waste. Then you have to recycle it.
EVs are great and on average they are way better, BUT if you drive very little and you get electricity from fossil fuels your Tesla maybe worse for the environment.
There are lot of reports of service being completely unresponsive, not answering calls. And people who work there are saying stuff like "you wouldn't believe how large our backlog is" or "I used to do an equivalent of 2 jobs, now I'll have to do 3" (not exact quotes, from my memory). The reason for this is obvious, Tesla has a cash problem.
I'm in So Cal. My S got backed into - repair of quarter and door panels took about 6 weeks.
For annual service and repairs, it's been pleasant for me. Granted, it takes a while to get the appointment now, but they've always given me a loaner that's often nicer/newer than mine (or $700 Lyft credit one time), so I haven't minded delays. Mobile service has also been great, responsive and very convenient.
Contrast that to the Mercedes dealership. Every time we take in our warrantied SUV, I feel like they're trying to take us for every penny they can - very unpleasant.
Supercharging does measurable damage to batteries. If you're on a long distance road trip and need to use it, okay, but if you regularly supercharge your car WILL have poorer battery condition by the time it reaches 80,000 to 100,000 miles.
This is not a problem for most owners who charge overnight at home.
The battery chemistry and heating / high amperage damage issues are unavoidable with current lithium ion chemistry.
I don't think you will find this information anywhere on Tesla's website. It's kind of bullshit in my opinion that they don't have at least a medium sized disclaimer saying "hey, don't supercharge all the time... or this will happen". I'm sure it's buried deep in the sales contract terms and conditions.
I don't think there's real-world data showing that supercharging within the limits Tesla has programmed leads to very significant degradation.
Yes, it will happen, but then there are several factors that can affect battery degradation. If you don't care, it's not so bad that you're going to ruin your car. If you do care, it's like 5min Googling to find tips on how to care for your battery.
I supercharged an S a few times and noticed that you could throttle the charging if you want. Seems reasonable to balance changing rate with how much time you have. For similar reasons I recommend avoiding the natural inclination to get the more powerful charger possible at home.
I was going to reply "unless your home has 3 phase 480V service you don't know about, you're not going to be able to charge anywhere near supercharge amp flow rates..."
Anytime a li-ion battery is charging, discharging, or even just sitting there the chemistry is breaking down slowly. Charging at higher speeds, charging at higher temperatures, etc. all speed up that break down.
> Supercharging does measurable damage to batteries.
However, I'm calling bullshit on this statement, unless by "measurable" you mean you will maybe lose 1% more battery capacity (which would be maybe 3 miles of range) than someone who coddled their battery. Measurable? Barely. Meaningful? Not really.
My Model S is 5 years old and at 80,000 miles, and I supercharge regularly. My battery has gone from 265 miles to 260, which is inline with what is expected.
Since when is $48k considered a "low" new car price? That's a lot of money for a car. Only a small fraction of the population is willing to spend that much.
Is it supposed to be a midway point between Model 3 and Model X? Or is it supposed to be the cheaper version of Model X? I can't tell exactly where it fits into the lineup since "midsize SUV" can mean a lot of different things and is pretty vague (especially since the model X is considered a "compact crossover SUV" per wikipedia).
Excited, a Tesla Model 3-like SUV at a 10% premium sounds like my perfect car. As nice as the Model X is, it's prohibitively expensive and I'm not a fan of the falcon wing doors so I'm hoping the Model Y hits all the sweet spots.
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I live in a first world country (Australia) with notoriously slow internet.
My problem with his delivery wasn't the stuttering—I doubt most of us could speak any better than him in public—it was him interacting with randoms shouting in the crowd. It's cute once or twice but you couldn't hear what was being yelled so Elon's responses were often devoid of context.
He seems to be better just chatting and speaking what ever's on his mind but stumbles when he's trying to be on message.
What's your source for this claim?
> but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved.
Self driving will always be constrained. Sure we don't have the tech to go anywhere in the U.S without any human intervention, but that's not the end all be all goal. Being able to reliably operate a fleet of autonomous vehicles in a traffic dense metropolis is a fantastic goal, one very close to realization.
Waymo can now operate totally driverless cars in some areas of California: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/newsrel/2018/2...
> Sacramento – Pursuant to state law and regulation, the Department of Motor Vehicles today issued a permit to Waymo authorizing the company to test driverless vehicles on public roads, including freeways, highways and streets within the cities of Palo Alto, Mountain View, Los Altos, Los Altos Hills and Sunnyvale, in Santa Clara County. While Waymo has held a permit to test autonomous vehicles with a driver since 2014, the new permit allows the company to test a fleet of about three dozen test vehicles without drivers behind the wheel.
Power supply is a big problem as the state owned utility Eskom is very unreliable. We have "load shedding" at least every week at the moment.
Yesterday the power was down from about 08h00 to 12h30.
So a country too poor to have a reliable electrical grid is going to be a huge consumer of premium-priced solar panels? That's a stretch.
IMO, Tesla should just quit the Solar Roof project. Just keep it to regular solar panels.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/sunrun-beats-ou...
Sunrun is now the #1 solar company in America, because its offering better tech these days. Also, SolarCity lost its deal with HomeDepot, and the Gigafactory2 (Solar Panel Gigafactory) is idling / wasting money.
All in all, Tesla is running SolarCity very poorly, by any measurement. You can only buy SolarCity products from Tesla stores, and those few Tesla stores are closing down (or maybe not, depending on the mood of the company...)
> People do care about looks, and personally, if people buy a solar roof because they think it looks cool, I'm glad to see more people buying solar.
Virtually no one is buying Solar Roof. Last time I checked, the number of installations was under 1000, maybe under 100. There's no market for $100,000+ Solar Panels that fail to generate electricity.
EDIT: Looking into it more: the Solar Roof does generate electricity decently. But to make it fit and look more like a normal roof, almost 60% of the tiles do NOT generate electricity. Any tile that needs to be cut to size is a pure-glass tile without any solar panels inside of them. This means that you get far less solar at far higher costs than a typical installation.
A solar roof would also positively impact the sale price of your house. I don't have the answers here and maybe solar won't solve my country's issues. I am just throwing a rock into the bush.
That's the kind of overlay I would want to see.
If it comfortably seats 7 adults and can actually haul that much cargo, without being a lumbering hulk of an actual vehicle, I'd say that's a feature.
Admittedly some people want to drive a lumbering hulk of a vehicle down to their local elementary school or shopping mall, but perhaps they have to stick with ICE for now.
I'm sure my parents' Caprice station wagon had more volume. That's also not an SUV.
But car categories are definitely blurring these days. A lot of so-called SUVs just look like cars with the roof bulged up a few inches and a juice to the ride height. It's weird. The BMW X6 is an ugly abomination in my book ("let's take a car, and just... inflate it a bit, yeah?")
the back may not be as spacious in as one would expect.
So I put off buying another Subaru and am looking closely at the model Y.
Take a look at the Jaguar I-Pace. I think it is a particularly odd classification of SUV.
The X and Y are well into crossover territory, they aren’t minibuses or SUVs.
Standard Range (230miles) -> $39K (Spring 2021)
Long Range (300miles) -> $47K (Fall 2020)
Dual ($51k) Performance ($60k) (Fall 2020)
Configuring a model y with no/all options I see:
lowest: $42,700 After savings $47,000 Before savings
highest: $70,200 After savings $74,500 Before savings
I mean unless you're not a car person to the point of "it has four wheels, it is a car"...
300 mile range, seats 7, looks a lot like a model 3 (so I guess kind of like a Mercedes GLC?)
$51,000 for the all-wheel-drive version, although Tesla is notorious for playing games with their pricing...
Model Y looks like a child of Model 3 and Model X.
Off topic: I wish pages would stop hijacking my scroll. It makes for a jerky/buggy experience that I hate.
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/genesis/getemoutbyfriday.htm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-TwWnn0dk
(not arguing, just reminded ...)
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I prefered the BFR working name (with a nod to Doom).
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Tesla might still have had a problem of it being too close to the E-Type (Jaguar) if Ford hadn't challenged them.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1106063248581894144
The issue is with parts - delays for some body parts mean your car may be sitting in the shop for MONTHS waiting for key pieces.
tbh, if I got a, say, BMW, knowing the nearest branch is 5 hours away, I would factor the possibility that it can be in the show for WEEKS, if not MONTHS, waiting on parts. (my 3-series has spent 2 weeks at the dealership at least twice)
Rental coverage is quickly exhausted waiting for Tesla to provide replacement parts.
Realistically you should factor in not having a car for any car purchase simply because your car could get totalled at any trip. But I find it surprising that parts and service could take so long. Being a BMW service center surely replacing parts is core to their job. I can get parts faster on my own.
I'm not disparaging Tesla quality but have you ever heard of Murphy's Law? What can go wrong will go wrong.
Right now I am without a working heater, waiting for two weeks on a blenderator motor for a Ford Explorer. Stuff happens...
I drive late model grey imports so my parts wait is just the time it takes to pull it off a wreck and ship it. I suspect the wait comes from the dealer/manufacturer relationship.
I’d like to see vehicle manufacturers, for the purpose of regular retail owners, extend the warranty of a vehicle if it spends more time in the workshop than the allotted time set out in the repair manual.
If remove and replace engine is, for example, 10hrs, then the car should be in the shop for no more than, say, two to three days. If it sits there for days > weeks > months waiting for parts the new car warranty should be extended by the same amount of time.
My guess is that’d go a long way to fixing the spare parts waiting times.
What are the possible reasons for such long waiting times on spares? It can’t be freight delays; it can’t be that the part isn’t available.
The manufacturer makes money putting those parts in new cars, it makes no money sending it out to repair yours...
If they can delay delivering your part till next financial year, or the end of the production run for that model, the books look that much better.
I get the impression that Tesla doesn’t like to keep a lot of parts in inventory. When a spare is ordered, it’s ordered from the manufacturer of that part.
Elon actually discussed this on the most recent conference call. He said that they’re trying to improve things by having parts shipped directly to service centres and body shops rather than via a Tesla distribution/logistics centre.
What do you do to your cars?
I've never had a car in overnight. And I couldn't point to anyone I know being without their car for even a week.
And I don't drive premium cars either, naively I would expect premium cars to be more reliable, and have better service.
I had an old Toyota that I just drove and drove and would not die. Multiple cross country trips and I never ever serviced it, except changing the oil every ~50k miles. The thing just kept on going.
I just bought a brand new BMW and I had to take it back to the dealer to fix something that broke after 5k miles.
I don't know if the parent was talking about major crashes, or reliability issues, 2 weeks in the shop would be my limit of acceptability for any car, a month, I'd be asking for my money back assuming it were a reliability issue. And multiple 2 week waits or a month wait, I wouldn't be buying from that manufacturer or dealer again, whatever the reason.
Is that my European point of view? have I been amazingly lucky?
I kind of mentally pigeonhole it with Kia, Hyundai and Daewoo, as they all arrived/got popular at a similar time. In the UK at least.
Plus, subjectively, it just doesn't sound like a Japanese name (to me).
"Mazda" is a German spelling of the Japanese name typically romanized as "Matsuda" (松田).
I guess some things don't change.
I had a Z3 around 2000-01 and I distinctly remember driving down Austin's Mopac in my year old car with something like five warning lights' worth of problems glaring at me. Then at some point the dealership broke the clock during a service visit, and then there was the winter where the engine thermostat stuck wide open, so the car never warmed up and the heater didn't work.
Dealer service was terrible too. On one of my many trips in to the service department, I pulled in to a co-worker who had just relocated to the area with his 540i. They wouldn't provide a loaner car because he hadn't bought at the dealership. (Because he didn't live in the same state when he bought his car.)
My last service visit, I took the car in with a spare tire on and had to get the normal tire fixed elsewhere in the meantime. Of course, when I went to pick the car up, they refused to put the normal tire back on until I drove the car out front of the sales department and started jacking the car up to replace it myself.
Nice.
My Jaguar had some issues, the dealership would overnight parts from around the US, and "if we need to go to the UK for them it'll be a couple of days".
Your insurance would normally provide a rental car while you wait for body shop work.
If it’s warranty work, Tesla will provide a loaner.
Which is usually not a Tesla. One of my friends complained that the BMW 5 series he got as a loaner couldn't drive itself, so it totally ruined his commute for the week his Tesla was in the shop.
"Well, I needed one to drive while the other is in the shop"
EVs are great and on average they are way better, BUT if you drive very little and you get electricity from fossil fuels your Tesla maybe worse for the environment.
For annual service and repairs, it's been pleasant for me. Granted, it takes a while to get the appointment now, but they've always given me a loaner that's often nicer/newer than mine (or $700 Lyft credit one time), so I haven't minded delays. Mobile service has also been great, responsive and very convenient.
Contrast that to the Mercedes dealership. Every time we take in our warrantied SUV, I feel like they're trying to take us for every penny they can - very unpleasant.
This is not a problem for most owners who charge overnight at home.
The battery chemistry and heating / high amperage damage issues are unavoidable with current lithium ion chemistry.
https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-sp...
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/09/tesla-limiting-supercha...
I don't think you will find this information anywhere on Tesla's website. It's kind of bullshit in my opinion that they don't have at least a medium sized disclaimer saying "hey, don't supercharge all the time... or this will happen". I'm sure it's buried deep in the sales contract terms and conditions.
Yes, it will happen, but then there are several factors that can affect battery degradation. If you don't care, it's not so bad that you're going to ruin your car. If you do care, it's like 5min Googling to find tips on how to care for your battery.
400k km, supercharging a lot, 7% degradation, that’s better than anybody expected.
Anytime a li-ion battery is charging, discharging, or even just sitting there the chemistry is breaking down slowly. Charging at higher speeds, charging at higher temperatures, etc. all speed up that break down.
> Supercharging does measurable damage to batteries.
However, I'm calling bullshit on this statement, unless by "measurable" you mean you will maybe lose 1% more battery capacity (which would be maybe 3 miles of range) than someone who coddled their battery. Measurable? Barely. Meaningful? Not really.
My Model S is 5 years old and at 80,000 miles, and I supercharge regularly. My battery has gone from 265 miles to 260, which is inline with what is expected.
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