If the allegations are founded, Netflix needs to be punished harshly for this. As a FANG company, their practices set the tone for the rest of the industry. There are far reaching implications for a company like Netflix getting away with shit like this. Massive punitive damages are in order.
What is going on with all this cult-following of "FANG" companies? I seriously don't get it. From what I see those are close to the least ethical companies in tech.
It really disturbs me that people chose a job for fame and money in those companies way before choosing an interesting project, or something that you can believe in.
In America, financial success endears more than ethical behavior. And when the financially successful get away with unethical behavior, it reinforces the idea that financial success and ethical behavior are antithetical, which only encourages even more people to behave unethically.
A big part of the problem is that absent strict and attentive government regulation and enforcement of the law, crime does pay. We tell kids that crime doesn't pay, but that's only true when the government is on the ball.
I really don’t see how you can fire someone like this, what did the senior executive say to HR when letting her go, there would have to be an explanation and then a shitload of redundancy paid I would expect. Something here doesn’t quite add up.
Well, we know almost nothing about this particular case or this particular person. Surely the internet will judge the case on its merits and not the tone of Vox's headline. I have faith we'll practice restraint and await the verdict from the eventual court hearing.
Whether the court of law finds an issue, the details present does sound like Netflix doesn't live up to their culture deck. This is not the only HR related issue I have heard out of Netflix where Netflix itself failed at living up to their lofty culture claims.
Well, since 90% of cases are settled out of court, we may never have the chance. You're right that we don't have many facts here, but sometimes that's all you'll ever get. External judgments are then made based on the frequency of claims and other factors.
Leaving the allegations totally aside the article does seem a bit misleading.
The title is technically true but most people would read this as a company executive-- a high-level employee. She is in fact an executive producer on a small Spanish language program. The article title sort of implies something like Reed Hastings/the board ousted chief communications officer Rachel Whetstone or something.
If the allegations are true it could simply be a single bad actor within a small unit of Netflix operating with limited oversight. Obviously, I don't have knowledge of Netflix internal policies but my guess is that they don't regularly do stupid , easily detectable shit like this to break the law. At least, I hope they don't regularly do this.
The article isn't misleading at all. She is a company executive.
Female executives getting fired for pregnancy is not unusual in the entertainment industry. It's disgusting, but not unusual. And HR is always eager to help the scumbag boss cover it up.
When I read it I thought of this definition of executive:
A person with senior managerial responsibility in a business organization. Suitable or appropriate for a senior business executive[0]
The actual content was a bit of a surprise/different than my expectations based on the title but may not have been intentionally misleading. Consider this article title:
Top Manager fired from Facebook, alleges pregnancy discrimination
With the content being something like:
Alice, a top project manager in charge of development for an upcoming internal tool for Spanish speaking Facebook employees, alleges her termination was due to discrimination.
Again, pregnancy discrimination is dumb from a legal standpoint, a cultural/employee motivation standpoint, a PR standpoint and generally just bad practice all around. I am simply discussing how the article title seems to frame this as a higher level Netflix internal problem when it seems likely this is just one bad actor who had autonomy over a project and abused his authority.
In particular, this part rubbed many people off negatively:
We’re a team, not a family
We’re like a pro sports team,
not a kid’s recreational team
Coaches’ job at every level of Neflix:
to hire, develop and cut smartly,
so we have stars in every position
The Keeper Test Managers Use:
“Which of my people,
if they told me
they were leaving in two months
for a similar job at a peer company,
would I fight hard to keep at Netflix?
The other people should get a generous severance now,
so we can open a slot to try to find a star for that role
What really rubbed me the wrong way is the Planet Money podcast about Netflix called “Hard work is irrelevant”. If how Netflix is portrayed in the podcast is true, the environment is really toxic and these allegations unsurpring. Here’s an excerpt:
> When I was initially hurt and I needed some time away, I just went into Patty and said, I to take a break. They don't want me to type. They don't want me sitting - all this kind of stuff. She's like OK. That's all she said - OK. Let me know when you're feeling better.
> I was out for weeks, and I kept checking in. Like, I'm thinking, they going to fire me. They're going to find somebody else. And I'd just send her a note saying, they still want me to rest. She'd write back, OK, hope you feel better.
> Six weeks, eight weeks, 10 weeks - I finally went to her and I said, you know, maybe we should formalize this. Maybe I need to go on short-term disability or something like that. And she goes, if that's want you want to do. I said, well, I'd love to come back. She goes, yeah, kiddo, I don't know. And I'm like, OK. And I knew it immediately. It's like, OK, they've already pivoted.
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[ 67.3 ms ] story [ 3762 ms ] threadIt really disturbs me that people chose a job for fame and money in those companies way before choosing an interesting project, or something that you can believe in.
A big part of the problem is that absent strict and attentive government regulation and enforcement of the law, crime does pay. We tell kids that crime doesn't pay, but that's only true when the government is on the ball.
The title is technically true but most people would read this as a company executive-- a high-level employee. She is in fact an executive producer on a small Spanish language program. The article title sort of implies something like Reed Hastings/the board ousted chief communications officer Rachel Whetstone or something.
If the allegations are true it could simply be a single bad actor within a small unit of Netflix operating with limited oversight. Obviously, I don't have knowledge of Netflix internal policies but my guess is that they don't regularly do stupid , easily detectable shit like this to break the law. At least, I hope they don't regularly do this.
Female executives getting fired for pregnancy is not unusual in the entertainment industry. It's disgusting, but not unusual. And HR is always eager to help the scumbag boss cover it up.
A person with senior managerial responsibility in a business organization. Suitable or appropriate for a senior business executive[0]
The actual content was a bit of a surprise/different than my expectations based on the title but may not have been intentionally misleading. Consider this article title:
Top Manager fired from Facebook, alleges pregnancy discrimination
With the content being something like:
Alice, a top project manager in charge of development for an upcoming internal tool for Spanish speaking Facebook employees, alleges her termination was due to discrimination.
Again, pregnancy discrimination is dumb from a legal standpoint, a cultural/employee motivation standpoint, a PR standpoint and generally just bad practice all around. I am simply discussing how the article title seems to frame this as a higher level Netflix internal problem when it seems likely this is just one bad actor who had autonomy over a project and abused his authority.
[0]https://www.google.com/search?q=Dictionary#dobs=executive
https://igormroz.com/documents/netflix_culture.pdf
In particular, this part rubbed many people off negatively:
> When I was initially hurt and I needed some time away, I just went into Patty and said, I to take a break. They don't want me to type. They don't want me sitting - all this kind of stuff. She's like OK. That's all she said - OK. Let me know when you're feeling better.
> I was out for weeks, and I kept checking in. Like, I'm thinking, they going to fire me. They're going to find somebody else. And I'd just send her a note saying, they still want me to rest. She'd write back, OK, hope you feel better.
> Six weeks, eight weeks, 10 weeks - I finally went to her and I said, you know, maybe we should formalize this. Maybe I need to go on short-term disability or something like that. And she goes, if that's want you want to do. I said, well, I'd love to come back. She goes, yeah, kiddo, I don't know. And I'm like, OK. And I knew it immediately. It's like, OK, they've already pivoted.
https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?stor...