> the last generation of pure-blooded people and holders of possibly the only untampered gene pool left in the world.
I'm no geneticist but I wonder if such statements have any scientific value or even meaning.
What is an "untampered" gene pool? The article mentions that they are likely to have migrated there from somewhere. Their existence was a secret to no one in the region. That they may have had a high rate of intermarriage for centuries due to relative seclusion seems likely. But is that tantamount to being "pire blooded"...
What they mean is that due to a lack of intermarriage, their genetic makeup looks very different than what it would be it they were intermarried with other local tribes.
Presumably all other local tribes have already intermarried over many generations and the differences within them is minimal.
> I'm no geneticist but I wonder if such statements have any scientific value or even meaning.
There's no basis for that usage. The writer just used those terms to catch the attention of people who are intrigued by the largely fictional concept of "pure-blood". At most, they might have a high concentration of particular traits due to marrying only among themselves for a long time.
The ancestry that the article itself purports for the tribe - moving from Central to South Asia via the Indus Valley - would mean they intersected with several different populations along that route. That route is through the crossroads of Asia, so it's very unlikely that they are "pure-blooded" in the way that, for example, the Sentinelese Islanders are - separated from any other population for 10s of thousands of years.
Despite the Brokpa's current isolation, they probably share some of their genetics with nearby South and Central Asian populations, but the article provides no citations about their genetics, despite it's casual claims. This article [1] suggests that nothing is known today about their genetics at all. Curiously, it does say they are traditionally vegan.
I'm not sure that even the Sentinelese themselves are "pure-blooded" in any sense of the word, but rather they just had an earlier branching point from other human populations than most, with no contact since then.
> it comes from the Sanskrit 'arya', meaning 'nobleman', and originally referred to a people who spoke an Indo-Iranian language and migrated from Central Asia to India and Iran.
I thought it referred to a hypothetical group of ppl who spoke the root language of all indo-european group of languages. It didn't ever refer to a specific group of ppl that are known to exist to us, only hypothetical.
I think their name "aryans" is not related to Mueller's aryan invasion theory. Its merely a coincidence. Author seems to have conflated both of those. Sanskrit arya has nothing to do with origins of the tribe or migration from iran.
Thanks to David Reich and others like him we know for a fact the invasion theory is true due to genetic evidence.
Modern Europeans really are descended from asian warriors, the battle-axe culture[1] (or corded ware culture if you want it to sound boring), who exterminated the old indigenous Europeans about 4000 years ago.
yea I am not debating aryan invasion theory( can of worms) only mentioning the fact that tribe being called 'aryan' doesn't imply they are mueller's 'aryans'.
Sanskrit word arya has nothing to do with aryan invasion theory.
I read over that article, but where does it discuss extermination?
I see statements like this:
Professor Anthony suggests that the spread of Yamnaya culture may have been facilitated by a kind of protection racket, in which the Yamnaya warriors would offer settled communities protection from gang activity, in exchange for their vassalage.
and
Did this conquest take the form of a single, unstoppable wave? Certainly not. This was a process effected in a piecemeal fashion, over the course of millennia...
The article mentions a massive influx into the gene pool but I would think this does not rule out, say, subjugation of an existing population and interbreeding.
Yes, killing the men, or at least eliminating their mating opportunities, and raping the women. If there is an alternative hypothesis with greater explanatory power that fits the facts I’d love to hear it. How else could the indigenous y haplogroups dissappear altogether?
Mueller's theory was very fake & driven by his own nefarious agenda to put down any greatness that may have come out from the Indian subcontinent. Iranians were Persians, nothing to do with "Aryans".
No, there is no self-designation of Proto-Indo-European speakers as "Arya".
As far as I'm aware, Arya is a term used only by the proto-Indo-Iranian tribes, which branched off from the PIE homeland much later than other branches of Indo-Europeans.
> . It was later used to refer to tribal groups who lived in the Indus River valleys that are now part of Pakistan and India, and it is their descendants who are said to make up this tiny minority found in the Ladakh region today.
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[ 2.4 ms ] story [ 57.7 ms ] threadI'm no geneticist but I wonder if such statements have any scientific value or even meaning.
What is an "untampered" gene pool? The article mentions that they are likely to have migrated there from somewhere. Their existence was a secret to no one in the region. That they may have had a high rate of intermarriage for centuries due to relative seclusion seems likely. But is that tantamount to being "pire blooded"...
Presumably all other local tribes have already intermarried over many generations and the differences within them is minimal.
There's no basis for that usage. The writer just used those terms to catch the attention of people who are intrigued by the largely fictional concept of "pure-blood". At most, they might have a high concentration of particular traits due to marrying only among themselves for a long time.
The ancestry that the article itself purports for the tribe - moving from Central to South Asia via the Indus Valley - would mean they intersected with several different populations along that route. That route is through the crossroads of Asia, so it's very unlikely that they are "pure-blooded" in the way that, for example, the Sentinelese Islanders are - separated from any other population for 10s of thousands of years.
Despite the Brokpa's current isolation, they probably share some of their genetics with nearby South and Central Asian populations, but the article provides no citations about their genetics, despite it's casual claims. This article [1] suggests that nothing is known today about their genetics at all. Curiously, it does say they are traditionally vegan.
I'm not sure that even the Sentinelese themselves are "pure-blooded" in any sense of the word, but rather they just had an earlier branching point from other human populations than most, with no contact since then.
[1] https://sinchi-foundation.com/news/claims-of-aryan-ancestry-...
And why limit it to humans? What makes us so different from other animals in this regard?
I thought it referred to a hypothetical group of ppl who spoke the root language of all indo-european group of languages. It didn't ever refer to a specific group of ppl that are known to exist to us, only hypothetical.
I think their name "aryans" is not related to Mueller's aryan invasion theory. Its merely a coincidence. Author seems to have conflated both of those. Sanskrit arya has nothing to do with origins of the tribe or migration from iran.
Modern Europeans really are descended from asian warriors, the battle-axe culture[1] (or corded ware culture if you want it to sound boring), who exterminated the old indigenous Europeans about 4000 years ago.
[1]https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-battle-axe-cultu...
Sanskrit word arya has nothing to do with aryan invasion theory.
I see statements like this:
Professor Anthony suggests that the spread of Yamnaya culture may have been facilitated by a kind of protection racket, in which the Yamnaya warriors would offer settled communities protection from gang activity, in exchange for their vassalage.
and
Did this conquest take the form of a single, unstoppable wave? Certainly not. This was a process effected in a piecemeal fashion, over the course of millennia...
The article mentions a massive influx into the gene pool but I would think this does not rule out, say, subjugation of an existing population and interbreeding.
As far as I'm aware, Arya is a term used only by the proto-Indo-Iranian tribes, which branched off from the PIE homeland much later than other branches of Indo-Europeans.
curious, how was this link established?