It made me think that a lot of the hatred towards the changing landscape of SF is really just generational warfare. Older, established generations seem to resent the few millennials who have managed to eek out a halfway decent living for themselves despite everything.
Edit: I don’t think it’s intentional, but it’s unavoidable that complaints about “our city’s culture is changing” really come down to “our generation’s culture was better than your generation’s culture.”
If you're going to comment about generational warfare, please don't propagate it while doing so. That just leads to more resentment and makes discussion less interesting.
The comment assigns all the resentment to one side and all the difficulty to the other. When you describe a conflict that way, you're subtly perpetuating it.
When someone with the opposing identification runs into such a comment, inevitably they feel that their side has been excluded or treated unfairly. Then they feel compelled to respond in kind, leading to flamewar which we're trying to avoid here.
Off-topic, but in reference to one of the dead comments in this thread, can't help but noticing that HN became a subject to a heavy trolling. After seeing Twitter-like interactions here, wondering if there are any built-in tools to prevent HN from becoming as an aggressive and uncivil as Twitter? I mean aside from manual flagging?
Also curious what led to this. HN seems to be very constructive and pretty boring to attract a Twitter-like action.
Hello from Royal Oak, Michigan, smack in the middle of the second chart. :)
The text oversimplifies a bit. I think the group is moving into the city just as much as the suburbs. It's just that the city-proper has such a large population, a few zipcodes around downtown and midtown (the so-called "7.2 square miles") are easily swamped by the enormous expanse of the overall city (142 square miles). The same number of grads in a much smaller suburb like Royal Oak can seriously affect the numbers.
That being said, Metro Detroit is a fantastic place for startups, makers, manufacturing, and culture. Rent is affordable if you want to rent, land is cheap if you want to own, and wages that look so-so on a national scale are downright lucrative in light of the cost of living. We constantly rank high on wage-to-cost analyses, even worldwide. It's no wonder to me that we show up in this article, too.
This would have been far more interesting if it were showing inflows (and outflows, I guess) rather than a static percentage. As is it just shows that in, say, Chicago you still can afford it without being an educated millennial doing "computer stuff", and Mountain View you can't.
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[ 2.0 ms ] story [ 43.9 ms ] threadIt made me think that a lot of the hatred towards the changing landscape of SF is really just generational warfare. Older, established generations seem to resent the few millennials who have managed to eek out a halfway decent living for themselves despite everything.
Edit: I don’t think it’s intentional, but it’s unavoidable that complaints about “our city’s culture is changing” really come down to “our generation’s culture was better than your generation’s culture.”
When someone with the opposing identification runs into such a comment, inevitably they feel that their side has been excluded or treated unfairly. Then they feel compelled to respond in kind, leading to flamewar which we're trying to avoid here.
Also curious what led to this. HN seems to be very constructive and pretty boring to attract a Twitter-like action.
The text oversimplifies a bit. I think the group is moving into the city just as much as the suburbs. It's just that the city-proper has such a large population, a few zipcodes around downtown and midtown (the so-called "7.2 square miles") are easily swamped by the enormous expanse of the overall city (142 square miles). The same number of grads in a much smaller suburb like Royal Oak can seriously affect the numbers.
That being said, Metro Detroit is a fantastic place for startups, makers, manufacturing, and culture. Rent is affordable if you want to rent, land is cheap if you want to own, and wages that look so-so on a national scale are downright lucrative in light of the cost of living. We constantly rank high on wage-to-cost analyses, even worldwide. It's no wonder to me that we show up in this article, too.