This is just ridiculous. This goes way beyond what they originally intended with stopping suspected IP Theft or backdoors by Huawei. This is a black day for academic progress and research in general.
These Chinese gov did't intend to ban academics, but political materials. But since they value their own benefits much higher than the benefits of academics to the Chinese people, they ban all the things, maybe because it's not technically easy to just ban individual pages given the huge amount of the materials. That's a very bad thing to ban the free Internet access.
Hi all,
For those who are not familiar. Google is indeed banned because the CHN gov does not want us to see political adversary contents. However, google is available in the University I am working at for accessing research materials, especially scholars.google.com.
I guess you were right, politics are banned, but academics aren't
No, that's not great either. That's the Chinese gov wanting to block knowledge from outside about political events, probably. This is something worse though in my opinion, since it actively halts innovation standardization which shouldn't have anything to do with politics.
That so called "authoritarian" government is more honest than your adopted "free world" government. Therefore, if you can turn a blind eye to the "free world", then please use those unseeing eyes of yours more frequently. Yes, two can speak your second language, you spineless "dissident".
Actually, I have to say, lots of people are able to use Google and Wikipedia in China even though Chinese gov officially bans them, including me. There are dozens of methods to cross the "wall".
It is a mistake for China gov to ban wiki or google scholar. It is a mistake for US gov to ask IEEE to ban Chinese as well.However, you can not say that US gov is right in this way because China gov has done something wrong.
It seems that Huawei is the US hostage in the China-US trade negotiations. I wonder who the US company will be that China will decides to screw over in retaliation?
It is. Although I strongly believe Trump was going to use Huawei card after the trade negotiation. By that time, US would have had a good deal, and Huawei is a step to gain a lot more. Luckily for China, he has been forced to show this card now.
By targeting Boeing, they really are targeting FAA power over other national or transnational agencies. Can this cause repercussion on other US agency power? I know that FDA ruling is mostly ignored in western countries, and this do not impact any other US-based agencies, so maybe it won't have any other consequences.
If this only impact Boeing the US should be glad. And Boeing deserve a slap anyway. Their decision killed more than 300 people and the people responsible won't really be impacted (as the marginal utility of the money decrease the more you already have).
Funny thing - McCarthy was right, in a sense: KGB informants were all throughout U.S. government and industry [0]. Unfortunately, he accused and abused lots of innocent people, so this fact is often overlooked.
Ridiculous and a laughable accusation. The page you referred to has nothing substantial. Both Rosenberg and Hiss are proved to be innocent quickly but lots of people became silent because of McCarthy. If you want to go back to the dark ages, go yourself. Do not put your insensible sense to all the knowledgable people here.
Are you challenging the fact that the U.S.S.R. had extensive espionage networks in the U.S. during the 1950s, including the Rosenbergs who were in fact guilty of spying for the Soviet Union?
McCarthysim per se was horrible, but the fact remains that the Red Scare was grounded in historical truth.
Witch hunts are bad, but yes, there was a large spy network. Perhaps it could have even been uprooted with measured counter-intelligence, instead of McCarthyism.
That's a step too far. What's next, a ban on even talking to Huawei employees? I mean, if you want to be absolutely safe from serious legal troubles right...
IEEE is just for US, not for humanity. It should be shame of that VISION—"IEEE is the world’s largest technical professional organization dedicated to advancing technology for the benefit of humanity."
Standards bodies, industry associations and the like are multi-country organizations. No single country should be able to prevent others from participating in such organizations. IEEE today and a few days ago the SD card and WiFi alliance banning Huawei seem to ignore the views of the members from the multitude of other countries who are also members of those orgs. Egregious violations of some written or unwritten code of conduct needs to be handled by multi-lateral institutions. For lack of a better organization, some wing of the UN perhaps?
Oh yes. I am an IEEE member of reasonably long standing and this just complicates things for everyone, particularly for IEEE chapters in other countries where Huawei may have a presence and are active participants locally.
The Chinese government needs no help in portraying this, or any other propionate U.S. response to Chinese trade policy, as an “insult to the Chinese people” and an outrage. Seriously, they’ve done it with much smaller stuff. It’s basically Fox News all the time in mainland Chinese news media, with government scriptwriters.
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Huawei got removed from the. blacklist as part of the ongoing U.S.-China trade negotiations, a la ZTE. Trump has already publicly mentioned this possibility. I hope this comes to pass, as reviewing IEEE papers seems like a fairly harmless activity.
We need to kill Huawei first, with some collateral damages to others, so that Huawei cannot do bad things to us in the future, even though there is no evidence or court ruling that Huawei is hacking anyone at this moment.
Then you happy with surveillance by US gov everyday with Apple, Google, Amazon right?
We feel happy when accuse others but never think about ourselves and the ‘ethical’ gov.
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If this only impact Boeing the US should be glad. And Boeing deserve a slap anyway. Their decision killed more than 300 people and the people responsible won't really be impacted (as the marginal utility of the money decrease the more you already have).
[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/685lp2/was_j...
McCarthysim per se was horrible, but the fact remains that the Red Scare was grounded in historical truth.
https://www.amazon.com/Venona-Decoding-Espionage-America-Com...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
Witch hunts are bad, but yes, there was a large spy network. Perhaps it could have even been uprooted with measured counter-intelligence, instead of McCarthyism.
What makes China so special is that it's actually gaining enough economic power to make the US go at economic war with them.
I wonder what is ACM's stand on this?
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Huawei got removed from the. blacklist as part of the ongoing U.S.-China trade negotiations, a la ZTE. Trump has already publicly mentioned this possibility. I hope this comes to pass, as reviewing IEEE papers seems like a fairly harmless activity.
Last time it was Iraq's WMD/washing powder.
Interesting.