"you should be able to do so in about the third-time that most competent people think possible"
In a short description is gives exactly the amount of information that a job post needs to give - Work, environment, challenges, co-worker info, compensation.
Since we are digging through the archives...an oldie but goodie from Shackleton (1907).
Wanted. Men for hazardous journey.
Low wages. Bitter cold.
Long hours of complete darkness.
Safe return doubtful.
Honor and recognition in the event of success.
The wages are pretty good. Our locally produced Voyager gin is making me feel pretty toasty right now. iPhone+Rails contracting work around here is prevalent enough that it just paid for my Xmas trip to Maui... And, most importantly, we're past the Winter Solstice. Next stop: 17 hours of sunlight in late June!
It's funny you should post that link to my blog. Back when I posted that, 1 year ago, we were 1 year into the startup, that meant we were in the "Wanted. Men for hazardous journey... Honor and recognition in the event of success" phase. Since then, I'm learning about the middle "Low wages. Bitter cold. Long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful" part.
Anyways, it's my one week off, so I should get back to not reading HN.
Funny, I was rewatching old Irish "Guinness" ads this morning, especially the "Tom Crean" one :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXf93CEI4t0
Sounds like the man who got the job!
“Misquotation is ... the pride and privilege of the learned.
A widely-read man never quotes accurately for the rather obvious reason
that he has read too widely.”
Hesketh Pearson (1887 – 1964)
There is a more amusing one than this but I cannot find it for the life of me. Obviously this applies more to the spoken than the written word but the point stands.
"Priority, my friend!! Christmas is coming, quick to our website shopping, our web site shopping there will be something different, unexpected things to you, let you have different sense, our website wholesale various fashion shoes, such as Nike, Jordan, prada, also includes the jeans, shirt, bags, hats and decoration. All these products are our free transport, prices are competitive, we can also accept paypal j, after the payment within short time, can ship.
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New era cap $12;
Sorry, meta point: what is up with all of the spam on this thread? Has this been happening a lot lately and I haven't noticed because people are just really diligent with flagging, or are spammers just now finding HN?
(Since the spam will hopefully soon disappear, there are three separate comments in here from one "dsgherhrt", advising us: "Priority my friend! Christmas is coming, quick to our website shopping ::snipped:: Nike, Jordan, prada ::snipped:: ::link spam::"; "sdgerhrtj"; and, "dfgerher".)
So the challenge is to absorb that email, and perhaps other historical artifacts like it from now-wildly-successful companies, and figure out if there's a common pattern to them. If there's a common pattern, you can look for it in job postings today. Try to recognize the Next Big Thing opportunity, the diamond in the rough.
I remember my own experience of taking a job back in '99 with ebay in the UK and no-one back then had any idea of how big the web was going to be...it really was a journey into the unknown. We had no idea the company would make it, this little upstart in the UK market with a three person office.
If this was a modern job posting, I'd find it overly pompous. The phd is one thing, but "you should be able to do so in about one-third the time that most competent people think possible" would put me right off (and obviously, in this case, it'd be my loss - not that I'd have the skills...)
This sounds good to me. I wonder how spread out people are, though (I don't even know how many offices Amazon has in Seattle :). I'll be in South Lake Union office.
Same here, SLU. I'm currently in Seattle now looking for a place to live. Not much luck. Places are more expensive, smaller, and older compared to Dallas.
Good luck on your first day. Contact me so we can meet up sometime.
At least you've gotten an early start on the apartment hunt. I've heard similar things about the rents (I'm coming from a $1/square foot loft in Atlanta, so I'm quite certain I'm in for a shock). I guess I'll find out when I get there. Right now I'm still in Atlanta tying up loose ends; I get to Seattle on Sunday afternoon.
Good luck to you as well. I'll definitely get in touch once I'm in town.
Amazon is trying to consolidate into just SLU. Right now most people are either there, the Pac Med Building (which used to be the headquarters), or in Union Station.
My experience at amazon would fail the Joel Spolsky test:
Do you use source control? yes
Can you make a build in one step? almost
Do you make daily builds? I think so
Do you have a bug database? yes
Do you fix bugs before writing new code? not usually
Do you have an up-to-date schedule? Hard to tell
Do you have a spec? a vague one
Do programmers have quiet working conditions? no
Do you use the best tools money can buy? not even close
Do you have testers? users
Do new candidates write code during their interview? yes
Do you do hallway usability testing? no
The computers that Amazon provided were so old that they weren't even in current production (I checked the serial number for the laptop I had there, and it was according to Dell 3 years old -- and low-end even when it was new)
"Priority, my friend!! Christmas is coming, quick to our website shopping, our web site shopping there will be something different, unexpected things to you, let you have different sense, our website wholesale various fashion shoes, such as Nike, Jordan, prada, also includes the jeans, shirt, bags, hats and decoration. All these products are our free transport, prices are competitive, we can also accept paypal j, after the payment within short time, can ship.
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New era cap $12;
It looks exactly like a job posting for any of the 99.99999% of startups out there that will not be the next Amazon. If you saw an ad like this today it would just fade in to the background noise.
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[ 4.4 ms ] story [ 147 ms ] thread"you should be able to do so in about the third-time that most competent people think possible"
In a short description is gives exactly the amount of information that a job post needs to give - Work, environment, challenges, co-worker info, compensation.
At least he was honest. That description applies equally well to startup life in Seattle, but I didn't see any mention of it in Bezos' email. ;-)
The wages are pretty good. Our locally produced Voyager gin is making me feel pretty toasty right now. iPhone+Rails contracting work around here is prevalent enough that it just paid for my Xmas trip to Maui... And, most importantly, we're past the Winter Solstice. Next stop: 17 hours of sunlight in late June!
Anyways, it's my one week off, so I should get back to not reading HN.
The correct/canonical version of Alan Kay's quote is: "The best way to predict the future is to invent it".
This version has 50+ million hits vs. 5100-ish for the version Bezos has (plus 40 more if you search for it with "it is" instead of "it's") ).
Edit: Yes it was, apparently.
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"Priority, my friend!! Christmas is coming, quick to our website shopping, our web site shopping there will be something different, unexpected things to you, let you have different sense, our website wholesale various fashion shoes, such as Nike, Jordan, prada, also includes the jeans, shirt, bags, hats and decoration. All these products are our free transport, prices are competitive, we can also accept paypal j, after the payment within short time, can ship. = New era cap $12;
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $30;
jordan air max oakland raiders $34a€“39;
Ed Hardy AF JUICY POLO Bikini $25;
Christan Audigier BIKINI JACKET $25;
Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $15
coogi DG edhardy gucci t-shirts $18;
gstar coogi evisu true jeans $35;
coach chanel gucci LV handbags $36;
Sunglasses(Oakey,coach,gucci,A r m a i n i) $15;
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(Since the spam will hopefully soon disappear, there are three separate comments in here from one "dsgherhrt", advising us: "Priority my friend! Christmas is coming, quick to our website shopping ::snipped:: Nike, Jordan, prada ::snipped:: ::link spam::"; "sdgerhrtj"; and, "dfgerher".)
I wonder if it's bots posting spam because of detecting Amazon in the title of this page?
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Amusingly, the job posting I applied through gave only slightly more information (New Products Division).
Good luck on your first day. Contact me so we can meet up sometime.
Good luck to you as well. I'll definitely get in touch once I'm in town.
Welcome :)
That should be added to Joel Spolsky's list.
I should have added the link, plus this link: http://vaig.be/2010/12/joel-test-for-software-companies.html and this: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/10/12/26/1424243.s...
Do you use source control? yes Can you make a build in one step? almost Do you make daily builds? I think so Do you have a bug database? yes Do you fix bugs before writing new code? not usually Do you have an up-to-date schedule? Hard to tell Do you have a spec? a vague one Do programmers have quiet working conditions? no Do you use the best tools money can buy? not even close Do you have testers? users Do new candidates write code during their interview? yes Do you do hallway usability testing? no
The computers that Amazon provided were so old that they weren't even in current production (I checked the serial number for the laptop I had there, and it was according to Dell 3 years old -- and low-end even when it was new)
==== ( http://www.etradinglife.com ) ====
"Priority, my friend!! Christmas is coming, quick to our website shopping, our web site shopping there will be something different, unexpected things to you, let you have different sense, our website wholesale various fashion shoes, such as Nike, Jordan, prada, also includes the jeans, shirt, bags, hats and decoration. All these products are our free transport, prices are competitive, we can also accept paypal j, after the payment within short time, can ship. = New era cap $12;
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $30;
jordan air max oakland raiders $34a€“39;
Ed Hardy AF JUICY POLO Bikini $25;
Christan Audigier BIKINI JACKET $25;
Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $15
coogi DG edhardy gucci t-shirts $18;
gstar coogi evisu true jeans $35;
coach chanel gucci LV handbags $36;
Sunglasses(Oakey,coach,gucci,A r m a i n i) $15;
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