I'm gonna catch a lot of shit for saying this but nothing will change until people start speaking a language that law enforcement understands: violence. It took a few dudes with a box truck to ensure that federal law enforcement doesn't try to fight it out against armed white people. The main perpetrator spend a couple years telling anyone who would listen about the misdeeds of the FBI but what it took for society to take notice was that he eventually decided to punish the "good cops" for the actions of the bad. I don't know what it's gonna take to get urban police departments to stop killing people for no good reason. I have no idea when it will happen. I have no idea what disillusioned extremists will do it. I know that whatever it is will almost certainly involve more killing. Law enforcement isn't going to get the message until something so over the top happens that is causes the nation, politicians included, to ask WTF happened that lead us here.
So when in 5, 10, 50 years some people get so fed up with this that a few of the most extreme take it upon themselves to start stacking bodies and everyone acts like it was totally unexpected I'll be solidly in the "I told you so" camp. The hole is being dug with a shovel. Don't be surprised when a shovel is what gets us out.
The solution, whenever it arrives, will be judicial, not legislative. Right now there is a double standard. Police are allowed to act in ways that ordinary people are not. It is like something of of the middle ages where knights/lords/etc could inflict violence on a whim but peasants would be put to death if they acted that way. That double standard exists because of qualified immunity. Qualified immunity does not have a basis in statute. It is something the courts pulled out of their collective asses in order to not hold cops accountable. They can shove it back up their asses and let the criminal charges and the lawsuits fly. That will hopefully provide the necessary motivation to police to clean up their act.
Edit: I'm not calling for violence, just saying it's inevitable.
In my opinion, you are completely right. Corruption is rampant in all levels of the justice system.
I believe corruption degrades faith in the rule of law and is the biggest threat to this nation. As such it is treason and should be punishable by death.
"If the people be led by laws and uniformity sought to be given them by punishments, they will try to avoid the punishment but have no sense of guilt. If they be led by virtue and uniformity sought to be given them by the rules of propriety, they will have the sense of guilt and moreover will become good." (Analects, bk. ii., c. iii.)
I'm not sure to what extent you're calling for violence, justifying it, or just being ostentatiously edgy about it, but please don't do any of those things on HN.
Please point out where in my comment I am "calling for violence". I'm not calling for violence. I'm saying it's (unfortunately) inevitable as a prerequisite to change.
Anti-establishment violence was something of an American past time until not long ago. Are we not allowed to talk about it? Or are you just worried about HN's legal liability?
I can understand how it would seem unreasonable, because we're likely looking at this from different perspectives. Having worked as moderators here for years, we're pattern-matching on countless instances of previous discussions and flamewars. From that perspective I can tell you for sure that the fear is not unfounded.
We can argue about the meaning of language like "nothing will change until people start speaking a language that law enforcement understands: violence", "It took a few dudes with a box truck", "I don't know what it's gonna take", "it will almost certainly involve more killing", "law enforcement isn't going to get the message until something so over the top happens", "they can shove it back up their asses", and "that will hopefully provide the necessary motivation". But the point I'm making is on a different level: when people write that aggressively about an inflammatory topic, it has a predictable effect on internet forum threads. Mass behavior is more predictable than individual behavior in some ways.
What I don't understand is whether you think the post actually broke a rule or whether you were simply policing it out of fear of a future crime. I believe the latter is wrong. I say that as someone who's also moderated some high-traffic forums.
> The symptoms were consistent with human consumption of rat poison, and when the tainted meatloaf was finally tested, the results found that the blue-green pellets visible in the meatloaf were brodifacoum, the active ingredient in rodenticide.
Holy shit. I had no idea this happened, but this is just straight up appalling. The state of the US prison system is incredibly fucked up. It just seems like the worst of the worst become COs just so they can fuck with prisoners, but this is taking it to another level.
I read that and assumed there'd be a followup investigation of attempted mass murder but nothing. Was justice served, or even half-heartedly attempted and the article didn't mention it? The story lacks or justice lacks, hopefully the former.
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 51.5 ms ] threadSo when in 5, 10, 50 years some people get so fed up with this that a few of the most extreme take it upon themselves to start stacking bodies and everyone acts like it was totally unexpected I'll be solidly in the "I told you so" camp. The hole is being dug with a shovel. Don't be surprised when a shovel is what gets us out.
The solution, whenever it arrives, will be judicial, not legislative. Right now there is a double standard. Police are allowed to act in ways that ordinary people are not. It is like something of of the middle ages where knights/lords/etc could inflict violence on a whim but peasants would be put to death if they acted that way. That double standard exists because of qualified immunity. Qualified immunity does not have a basis in statute. It is something the courts pulled out of their collective asses in order to not hold cops accountable. They can shove it back up their asses and let the criminal charges and the lawsuits fly. That will hopefully provide the necessary motivation to police to clean up their act.
Edit: I'm not calling for violence, just saying it's inevitable.
I believe corruption degrades faith in the rule of law and is the biggest threat to this nation. As such it is treason and should be punishable by death.
We can argue about the meaning of language like "nothing will change until people start speaking a language that law enforcement understands: violence", "It took a few dudes with a box truck", "I don't know what it's gonna take", "it will almost certainly involve more killing", "law enforcement isn't going to get the message until something so over the top happens", "they can shove it back up their asses", and "that will hopefully provide the necessary motivation". But the point I'm making is on a different level: when people write that aggressively about an inflammatory topic, it has a predictable effect on internet forum threads. Mass behavior is more predictable than individual behavior in some ways.
Holy shit. I had no idea this happened, but this is just straight up appalling. The state of the US prison system is incredibly fucked up. It just seems like the worst of the worst become COs just so they can fuck with prisoners, but this is taking it to another level.