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Ask HN: How do I pay my escort girl/ drug dealer in sweden if there is no cash?

7 points by cashier ↗ HN
I came across this IMF working paper, where they describe strategies of communication towards society regarding "de-cashing", meaning the removal of cash from the single countries.

https://www.imf.org/~/media/Files/Publications/WP/2017/wp1771.ashx%20

So, we have already some "de-cashed" countries around the world, one of the most "successfull" ones by far is South Korea - how did they do it? Special trick: They allowed a distinct part of consumtion expenses to be tax deductable, if, and only if it was paid with electronic payments. Nice trick. And the mouse went in the trap next day, applouding for this great "achievement".

So, my question is: How do i pay my escort girl or my drug dealer (marijuna e.g.) if there is no more cash in a country?

Let's dicuss.

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gingabriska
You can always pay in gift card, gold or some other thing like bitcoin.

Also, many escorts I've seen accept credit cards and it's mostly appears on your card statement as "XYZ Entertainment".

kzzzznot
"XYZ Entertainment" or whatever it appears as sounds pretty traceable. Would be easy to find out what their services are.
gingabriska
Who is going after them? I've seen a lot of them working based on referral and pretending to offering services like consultancy.
auslegung
Would PayPal, Apple Pay (and all other similar solutions), Cash App, Venmo, Zelle, bank transfer work? I don’t like cashless societies, they scare me, but you should still be able to pay for less than legal things, but the recipient may have difficulty keeping an account depending on how scrutinized they are.
corodra
I watched a thing on Japan regarding gambling a few years ago. From what I remember and understand, gambling is illegal. There's loophole, its illegal for straight up money.

Thus, I think its pachinko, you win tokens while playing. Then you exchange tokens for random items. Then there are "separate" companies that are outside these pachinko halls that buy those items from you for a "surprisingly" similar theoretical cash amount of the winning tokens the item cost. Totally coincidental. I'm totally sure of that.

I'd wager a guess that a similar system would scab in soon after a cashless system arises. Until a better system pops up.

But fuck cashless. At least cash can be somewhat anonymous. I'm sick of all sorts of companies tracking my purchases.

abdullahkhalids
Depends on how much anonymity and security you want. If you work within channels that your country's tax authority can audit (like direct bank transfers, apps like Venmo or gift cards etc), then you can always be caught. Of course, there are degrees of anonymity and security associated with different instruments and you will have to find the one that works for you.

I guess the most anonymous and secure payment method would be to work anonymously for a cryptocurrency (i.e. a job that doesn't require you to give your personal information), and then use that to pay for your illegal goods. Of course, you have to ensure that your illegal goods supplier does not know your personal information either, so they don't accidentally anonymize you.

alt_f4
You can't. In a cashless society, your purchases (and all the things one can infer from that: interests, location, day patterns) are surveilled 100% of the time.
ijiiijji1
Cash equals (mostly) privacy and democratization of purchasing ability.

"Cashless" is the elites and security apparatuses against the ability of the people to maintain their privacy and take away the last little vestiges of the disenfranchised to get by... it's a selfish, ignorant, utopian social experiment.

username90
Is this a serious thread? Do many HN users buy drugs and escorts illegally?
cashier
hi,

yes; my question is absolutely serious.

Do not see what your implicit between-the-lines written statement is pointing out to, like "all-of-you-are-bad-guys-if-you-do-X-or-Y"

Thanks for participating.

username90
Just surprised anyone would post this here, not sure why you don't just post in a relevant subreddit instead?
buboard
Does it have to be many?
DanBC
> Do many HN users buy [...] escorts illegally?

Paying for sex is currently legal in England and Wales. It's a bit complicated because there's a bunch of stuff which is illegal around it (soliciting; inducing someone into prostitution; paying someone who has been trafficked; paying someone under 18; paying someone who is being coercively controlled; etc etc) but the core activity (two people exchanging sex for money) isn't illegal.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crosshea...

While it's not illegal there are understandable reasons to keep this private.

username90
The topic asked about Sweden and it certainly isn't legal there.
HeyLaughingBoy
This sounds like an awfully naive question. There are many things that are technically illegal, e.g., pot that people buy frequently but would not want their purchases tracked.

Not to mention the very common practice of buying a used car in cash but declaring the minimum allowable purchase price to the DMV to save on sales taxes.

Cash is King for a reason.

rurban
Pay her with sex. she's your escort girl afterall.
ryacko
In a worse case scenario, you would barter. If the government has access to every single database, and a PROMIS-tier search engine, that is.