America prisons exhibit the cruelty outcome from acts of piety and assuming people have free will. Punishment doesn't make sense when everything is cause & effect.
Edit: For the people saying punishment makes sense. I would say rehabilitation is what really makes sense and treating every crime similar to an illness that doctors provide treatment to cure. You can try to define your free will definition to please you but at the end of the day nobody is free if they're destined to be locked up in a jail cell by fate.
> Punishment doesn't make sense when everything is cause & effect.
Sure it does. Credible threat of punishment can change behavior. This is demonstrated all the time in the small. There's a lot of reason to be skeptical that that translates well to prison, but that's independent of whether "everything is cause & effect".
I thought the studies tended to say negative reinforcement was the least effective method. Not that "it doesn't work" but that it both costs more and works worse, than any other choice.
The 1619 Project is some of the finest reporting I've seen in a long time. It's surprising to me it came from the NYT, as they typically avoid speaking truth to power.
this is all part and parcel for an editorial board which will eventually direct the conversation towards reparations as is being floated not only by certain members of Congress but more than one candidate with Presidential aspirations.
so in other words, the NYT is simply back to being a trial balloon for the talking points of various Democratic Presidential candidates and wrapping it up in supposedly journalistic endeavors.
Expect HN to be flooded with this for the next year or so, not this particular subject, but if you observe closely the stories will mimic talking points.
this is not to say the problems with prisons aren't something that needs to be addressed but slavery is not something this generation or the previous can make amends for other than spiritually. Yet the subject of money always comes up though no one directly impacted exist and worse it would insult quite a few to be told they are in need of someone's apology in the form of money
We had eight ideal years to discuss this thorny subject but it was not important then because it was not a talking point of any campaign
I disagree that slavery isn't something this generation can't make amends for. As the 1619 project has shown, the legacy of slavery on capitalism in America is broad and extreme.
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[ 9.7 ms ] story [ 68.7 ms ] threadEdit: For the people saying punishment makes sense. I would say rehabilitation is what really makes sense and treating every crime similar to an illness that doctors provide treatment to cure. You can try to define your free will definition to please you but at the end of the day nobody is free if they're destined to be locked up in a jail cell by fate.
Sure it does. Credible threat of punishment can change behavior. This is demonstrated all the time in the small. There's a lot of reason to be skeptical that that translates well to prison, but that's independent of whether "everything is cause & effect".
Defining “free will” actions to mean “actions that have no causes” isn’t very useful.
so in other words, the NYT is simply back to being a trial balloon for the talking points of various Democratic Presidential candidates and wrapping it up in supposedly journalistic endeavors.
Expect HN to be flooded with this for the next year or so, not this particular subject, but if you observe closely the stories will mimic talking points.
this is not to say the problems with prisons aren't something that needs to be addressed but slavery is not something this generation or the previous can make amends for other than spiritually. Yet the subject of money always comes up though no one directly impacted exist and worse it would insult quite a few to be told they are in need of someone's apology in the form of money
We had eight ideal years to discuss this thorny subject but it was not important then because it was not a talking point of any campaign