Ask HN: Any mainstream messenger that is reliable and treats us as adults?

1 points by iwillrunoutofsp ↗ HN
This would deserve a long rant, because this has been bothering me for quite some time, but now I just want to ask for recommendations, as Facebook Messenger just stopped delivering messages in one of my conversations.

Is there any among the popular instant messenger platforms that is:

1. reliable, that is I can trust it to deliver messages (I can’t believe I have to start with this one),

2. has a _permanent_ log of all messages, photos, and files sent, i. e. it does not allow others to delete either their or my messages, and does not allow to send messages that automatically disappear after some time, and allows me to transfer these logs to my desktop in a non-proprietary format,

3. and does not share things with others I don’t expect it to share, like my location, if I made a screenshot, etc. (online status and read receipts I have basically given up on).

Thanks an advance.

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If you and your contacts remain within the Apple ecosystem, iMessage?

A private IRC server?

Yeah, sorry, I should have mentioned that at least one of us uses Android, and at least one of us is non-technical.
If one of you can setup an IRC server, the non-technical people could use Android IRC clients.
Is this a small, closed group? If so, you could always just run your using, e.g., XMPP.
Nextcloud Talk fufulls all of those requirements except the unspoken one, your friends don't use it.