In my forties there many things I know now. How to pick fights, how to see danger signs of projects (too many dependencies, too many teams involved, unclear goals), how to keep things simple, how to speak to developers and managers.
Agreed. For a long time I had thought the age requirement for being president in the US was kind of dumb - why don't we just get the right person for the job, no matter the age? But as I've grown older I realized what you have - it's extremely difficult to run anything, and I would prefer leaders that have been in extremely high, laborious, and difficult leadership positions before over those who are outlier-level young (such as Mrs. Marin). But then again I'm basing this judgement purely on age and not on many other factors so this is a very shallow analysis.
Is it really about life experiences or ability to connect with the people they are representing? Women are better at this as their maternal ability helps them connect with kids at a level which men simply fail to.
So a woman aged 35 much be better than a man aged 50 at this. It's not a suprise.
For long time, women have successfully run families. They served as unpaid, unacknowledged head of families and successful taken care of house expenses and kids.
On some level it could help getting another approach to governing a country.
60~70 yo people also don’t have nearly enough knowledge and/or wisdom to operate at that scale, and if we’re speaking about impacting the lives of millions of people the difference between 34 and 70 is marginal I think. It should all come down to the system they operate in and how they use it, at the end of the day.
In the United States, the minimum age was set to prevent "dynasties." Which means that today, they may have set the age even older, because of extended lifetimes.
The old have built their experience on consuming limited resources. We must work with sustainable resources. It's an entirely different project and their experience is not relevant and seemingly all input we get from the "boomer" generation is to keep consuming the limited resources.
We should actively avoid listening to them and manipulate them out of their influence. They are not evil, just out of step.
Is it really impossible? Why? Do you think there really aren't conservative young people?
I somehow missed when conservative became a dirty word, and have a hard time understanding why anything right of center is "ruining" young people lives.
Oh there's young conservatives like myself, but there's just not many of us -- so dating and friendships are harder. I often don't have anyone to talk to about political things that get on my nerves, whereas all my non-conservative friends can talk to each other
My partner is (broadly speaking) center-left, but politics is essentially a forbidden topic. It's not just venting, whenever there's some good news (e.g. a law I was hoping for), I can't celebrate with anyone
I would imagine there are local clubs/groups that you can find with like minded individuals. Surely there are others who share at least some of your political opinions. If there is literally no one, then I would suggest you try and understand whyas they might be way outside the norm.
I've tried that. There's really not much out there. Regarding trying to understand why, I think it's something like cultural differences.
Despite being born here, and raised by British parents, I am the only Pro-Gun, pro-self defense person that I know. I've tried for many years to find others like me
To be blunt, I'm working on getting a degree so I can fuck off to Texas where I clearly belong
Yep... Though I'm less sad these days since I started taking SSRIs
Suggestions for a new handle?
I probably won't post on this account again, it's just I keep being conservative rather quiet and I remembered I still had this account in my password manager
I wouldn't know man, I'm not politically aligned with you or know you any more than what you have posted here. But I would say that there's definitely some value to NOT bringing your gun fandom and Hayek worship to the fore in social situations. If you can't walk out of the house without your Trusty Sidearm of Destiny, you have bigger problems than that though...
In the 15+ years of ridicule, armchair psychologists, and unsolicited advice that I've had to endure, this comment is definitely the most flavorful and interesting one. I like it!
I'll be sure to name my daily carry "Trusty Sidearm of Destiny"
I think you're running into a situation of geography or class. There are absolutely lots of young conservatives, but if you're not in a region with a large % of conservatives, you may not run into many of them. This especially apparent when you're college-educated person in a blue state.
Guns bring together young conservatives. Perhaps joining a shooting club will grow your circle of like-minded friends. Archery is a decent alternative if you're less than enthusiastic about guns.
I blame social media for giving every one a loud speaker to broadcast their views. The result is only extreme views from both parties are heard. Reminds me of developers arguing about their favorite database. If you are a none developer reading the comments you wont be aware that the developers agree on many things such as normalisation, indexing strategies, the need for a database (some people don't see the need), ORMs and using source control.
He is still the leader of the democratic socialist party and prime minister by proxy. Actual concequences would be having a new election and reforming the government. Obviously the current government is against that since they know they are unpopular for their incompetence.
Not true. If Marin decided to call an early party confress Rinne would be pretty much automatically ousted as the party leader. Because everyone knows the outcome, I believe it was decided Rinne could continue as party leader until next party conference in summer 2020. But by all means Marin holds the true power in her party, unless you know something the public doesn't (which I doubt not least because you misspelled the party's name).
Congratulations to her but it seems like age is seen as less of a factor in these countries. From an outside perspective, the Nordic countries have a very by the book form of government. Meaning the government/prime minister isn’t the result of the hopes and dreams of the constituents but more of how do we get things done with the least amount of turmoil. Kind of like how your local city government is run, where things seem more administrative and less political. Maybe that is the secret to their success.
It's not that there is no power, My experience is that the Finns (working with them) always came to a consensus when making difficult decisions. Everyone has a voice. Just a different style of Leadership than most of the US Companies I have worked for.
Perhaps that is because many of the Nordic countries are about the population of a large metro area. Finland, for instance, has about 5 million people.
According to this[0], there are 23 states with a population of 5 million or more. So, roughly half of US states have a population as large as the country of Finland. Also, according to this[1], there are 9 metro areas in the US with a population of 5 million or more.
Well, that's my point. It's about the same size as the average US state. Any time a nordic country is mentioned, there's this same comment that it is obviously easier to do XYZ there because of the small population. Well, it must be equally easy to do it in a US state, right?
Furthermore, most countries in the world have a population less than 10 million. Finland is a normal sized country - it's the US that's anomalous in that it's more like 50 normal sized countries in a union.
I would guess that if you look at the northern midwestern states (which were heavily settled by people from the Nordic countries) with a population around 5 million, most of them are as well run as Finland.
What's the most powerful political position in a US state, comparable to the prime minister in European countries? Speaker of the House of Representatives? At least Michigan has a 31 yrs. old Speaker of the House currently. Or is it more like state governor is like both the European prime minister and president combined?
At least in the US city councils there is often a hotbed of politics and corruption it seems. I consider the city-council/property-developer interface to be the greatest scale of corruption in the US.
Currently youngest. Sebastian Kurz, former (and very likely future - he's been reelected and currently in coalition talks) chancellor of Austria, is younger.
I really don't get HN sometimes. The russian doping ban article was flagged fore political, yet this one stays up even tho I feel this is more political https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21742239
And before everyone says "Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate". I'm not complaining just observing situations like this + HN lacks appropriate open ways for meta discussion (which Reddit actually does better), you can only do this in submission comments
If you look at the comments below there's actual discussion about whether a younger person could be an effective national leader. So it's not "just" a factoid.
The doping article is more likely to stir up drama. People have strong feelings about Russia, drugs, the olympics, etc. This article is just interesting - it may involve political figures but there's not really much politics at play. To quote the on-topic guidelines: "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity".
HN, like any subreddit, has inherent bias in its moderation. I suspect the fact that Russia was involved prompted the removal of the other story -- if I were a moderator, I would just expect any thread involving Russia and international politics to be a dumpster fire. Finland is a bit easier for Americans to avoid passionate political opinions with.
Would be interesting to see the posts where both counts cancel under a Header of Neutral (non polarizing) content.
Similarly content(posts AND comments) getting "high" left and right counts can be sent off under separate Headers for the respective fan clubs to feast on.
Fwiw The original title as I recall also reflected the title of the article (which seems to have changed since I submitted it); I clipped the "Finnish" prefix as it exceeded HN permitted length.
To be fair (I'm the submitter) I thought of it as more of an interesting article about social progress and the leadership in some areas of countries not always in the news - rather than being a political story per se.
From the guidelines:
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.
(My emphasis, and I've clipped the addendum about if it would be featured on TV news it might not be relevant here).
Hmm, I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the USA retired presidents receive a yearly salary for life. Get yourself elected at 35. Screw around for 4 years. Retire at 39 with a good enough yearly pension to do nothing for the rest of your life. Brilliant.
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So a woman aged 35 much be better than a man aged 50 at this. It's not a suprise.
For long time, women have successfully run families. They served as unpaid, unacknowledged head of families and successful taken care of house expenses and kids.
Having a person lead a country that will have to live for a longer time with their decisions doesn't strike me as bad.
Through the history, there were lots of young leaders and I don't think that age had much to with how successful they were.
60~70 yo people also don’t have nearly enough knowledge and/or wisdom to operate at that scale, and if we’re speaking about impacting the lives of millions of people the difference between 34 and 70 is marginal I think. It should all come down to the system they operate in and how they use it, at the end of the day.
In the past the young were teached to valued the life experience of the old, even if they disagree.
Today they are told that it's because of the old that they don't have a happy life (ok boomer...)
So for today's youth, the old are the enemy, because they vote conservative.
Today the way you vote is your identity. In the past a democrat and a republican could be friends or marry. This is impossible today.
We should actively avoid listening to them and manipulate them out of their influence. They are not evil, just out of step.
I somehow missed when conservative became a dirty word, and have a hard time understanding why anything right of center is "ruining" young people lives.
My partner is (broadly speaking) center-left, but politics is essentially a forbidden topic. It's not just venting, whenever there's some good news (e.g. a law I was hoping for), I can't celebrate with anyone
Actually, it's all very isolating and lonely...
Despite being born here, and raised by British parents, I am the only Pro-Gun, pro-self defense person that I know. I've tried for many years to find others like me
To be blunt, I'm working on getting a degree so I can fuck off to Texas where I clearly belong
Suggestions for a new handle?
I probably won't post on this account again, it's just I keep being conservative rather quiet and I remembered I still had this account in my password manager
I'll be sure to name my daily carry "Trusty Sidearm of Destiny"
Guns bring together young conservatives. Perhaps joining a shooting club will grow your circle of like-minded friends. Archery is a decent alternative if you're less than enthusiastic about guns.
I could just not be going at the right time of day, or perhaps I could join a larger club
Archery is also a good suggestion, thanks. I'll see if I can find something near by
Oh, and also the current youngest:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_state_leaders_by_ag...
Number 2 and 3 after Sanna Marin are Oleksiy Honcharuk, Prime Minister of Ukraine at 35 and Kim Jong-Un of North Korea at 36.
great to see a politician actually facing consequences for their actions
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories...
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistic...
Furthermore, most countries in the world have a population less than 10 million. Finland is a normal sized country - it's the US that's anomalous in that it's more like 50 normal sized countries in a union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_governor...
But yes, definitely a head of government.
So the headline is literally correct, but factually wrong.
And before everyone says "Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate". I'm not complaining just observing situations like this + HN lacks appropriate open ways for meta discussion (which Reddit actually does better), you can only do this in submission comments
Would be interesting to see the posts where both counts cancel under a Header of Neutral (non polarizing) content.
Similarly content(posts AND comments) getting "high" left and right counts can be sent off under separate Headers for the respective fan clubs to feast on.
I did change the title on this one to match what the article currently says; that's all.
From the guidelines:
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.
(My emphasis, and I've clipped the addendum about if it would be featured on TV news it might not be relevant here).