These are live streams for the chaos communication congress. The most important conference for hackers in Germany and certainly one of the most important conferences for hackers world wide.
The 36C3 is a gathering of hackers hosted by the german Chaos Computer Club (CCC) and is one of the biggest in the world.
Traditionally many of the talks streamed there are pure gold, they even have english translation for the German talks. Given that the title of this page is hacker news it should really be on the top of the page when it is happening.
All the stuff is recorded and stored on http://media.ccc.de, which you can spend months on because you will find recordings of more than a decade of talks on interesting topics.
It's available, but a bit hidden on media.ccc.de. There's a cog wheel icon on the lower right corner of the video player. Hover over it, and a list of languages ("deu" is German, "eng" is English, "fra" and "esp" are French and Spanish, respectively) should pop up.
I always thought the hacker in hacker news is the Velley interpretation as a company that gets something live as quickly as possible, hacking it up as it were. Not the traditional interpretation as someone who breaks apart systems to examine or access them.
I get the impression that Valley culture is an antagonist towards antifa organisations, so traditional hacking is anti-corporate in Valley eyes.
C3 are great presentations though, and truly give an excellent insight to modern tech.
The streams and videos posted here are essentially the gold standard of security and hacking talks from extremely clever hackers around the world who gather here to showcase their projects or research on many topics from security, open-source, hacking, retro-computing, privacy, etc.
There is always something interesting to learn from these talks on CCC (Chaos Communication Congress) every year and that is why they're of interest to many of us here.
Keep in mind that the ccc has basically become a political organization. They're openly in bed with a left wing extremist organization (which most would call a terrorist group) and host their stand on that congress.
Well I wouldn't be allowed in, but that's another topic. I'm fine with people going there - Just spreading awareness. An event hosting a stand and having a banner of the Ku Klux Klan at the entrance would certainly not be defended like this.
> By this we mean not only numerous “free comradeships” but also groups such as the “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat”, DVU, FPÖ, the “Hilfsgemeinschaft Nationaler Gefangener”, Lijst Pim Fortuyn (Partij LPF), NPD, ProKöln and “Die Republikaner”.
These are all small splinter parties, aside from the right-populist FPÖ who was recently in the government coalition in Austria and has 60000 members.
This is an _open_ list from 2005. They consider other, similar parties to be part of the list too. I.e. the AfD was founded only years later so it's not part of the list but still considered unwelcome by most.
For those who need to search (as I did), that seems to roughly translate to "declaration of non-compatibility". CCC had declared that members of far-right and racist or otherwise discriminatory groups are not welcome.
I can't speak for CCC, but if you feel excluded by this, you should be. If this hurts your feelings, that's too damn bad. Your feelings hurt our society.
For those who need to search, that seems to roughly translate to "declaration of non-compatibility". CCC had declared that members of far-right groups are not welcome.
I don't think the KKK are a very good analogy for this; a better example might be McCarthyists/the House Committee on Un-American Activities, since they attack people based on political affiliation, which is at least nominally chosen, rather than inborn characteristics like skin color. Also the KKK made much more use of direct physical violence, rather than social and legal violence.
seriously, i am surprised how possible is to flag normal comments, the previous comment on top of yours was pretty civil, i am really disappointed in HN community for such petty censorship
This is by design. HN tries to avoid controversial matters being discussed. The entire point of this discussion forum is to create value for YC by attracing/feeding potentential founders into their vortex. Political controversy is not good for business.
Even if something has hundreds of upvotes, it seems like all it takes is maybe 3-5 flags to get it buried. This is pathethic and needs to be called out at a larger scale.
That's not quite right. We're trying to optimize for intellectual curiosity. The most interesting HN is the most valuable HN. There's no business objective beyond that (excepting the handful of formal things that HN explicitly gives back to YC in exchange for funding it, like job ads and Launch HNs for YC startups).
Plenty of politically controversial topics get discussed here. But it's also the case that many politically inflammatory threads are just not intellectually interesting. The people doing the bashing on both sides feel very strongly about it, but the majority of the audience here tunes out in tedium.
Case in point: internet bickering about Antifa. This is lame.
Well, this is very subjective, and I am afraid if many people with <X> agenda are reading a <Y> thread, its very easy to have flagged sensible(potentially interesting) comments not because of intellectual value, but because they're disliked. Not sure how to fix
It informed people in a quite polite manner that there was a particular political alignment factor to this event. Many people commented and were thus apparently were interrested in the topic.
Is this lame? I don't get it.
I think you should at least increase the number of flag actions required to bury something (or better yet, rework the entire system from the ground up) - as it stands it's way too easy for political opponents to bury something they don't like. The Hong Kong-related threads have also illustrated this.
The bottom line: it's way too easy to kill information posted on HN.
CCC has not become a political organization, it always was. It was founded at the left-wing newspaper Taz and always had political goals. It‘s also quite interesting that american hacker conferences are all right wing and have strong ties with the ‘intelligence community’ but hacker conferences in Europe are the opposite.
What's your definition of a terrorist organization? Antifa uses violence against opponents, vandalism, and arson to extort political concessions. There may not be global/regional leaders like in other terror groups, but people identify as being a member of the group and coordinate their efforts among each other.
Antifa means antifascist action - when there's fascists doing things, antifa appears to rry to stop them from doing fascist things. Antifa has no leaders and no real membership because it's just people standing against fascism.
If someone identifies as a member, they are wrong and possibly fake.
You're not sure there's not a big difference between organising protests, and hitting building with airplanes or commiting bombing that killed thousands of people?
Do you genuinely believe this? If yes, would you care to expand further on this? I'm utterly fascinated and would love to hear more background on what leads you to believe that this comparison is apt.
Why is this comment flagged? Is antifa having its own segment/talks? this would be very useful to know, as they're indeed an extremely radical organization(you can have left views and not resort to anything resembling that IMO)
You’re german, you should be very well aware that CCC always has been political and that being Antifa is a stance a lot of folks support. Don’t try to muddy the waters here.
In the US it’s a different case but here we’re explicitly speaking of the CCC.
PSA: All talks will be live-translated between English and German, and into one additional language (primarily into French or Spanish; on occasion there were translations into Russian and Mandarin) [0].
If you find any talks on the schedule [1] that seem interesting but are in a language you're not fluent in, use the 'native'/'translated' switcher in the video player.
Subtitles will be available after congress, here [2].
Finally: Congress is an amazing experience, and it's all volunteer-driven (including the crazy network infrastructure, the live streams, the translations and everything). If you have some spare time between Christmas and the new year, consider visiting next time around. It's a lot of fun!
You'd have to be lucky though. Unless you are/were an angel (volunteer) you'll have to depend on the ticket lottery. The switch to Hamburg wasn't enough to accommodate the number of participants nor did the switch to Leipzig. It really is a very popular event.
They are slowly scaling the event up. Hamburg were 15k people. Last year was 18k. But they are careful to scale it slowly so that things dont collapse.
There where 3 dates for buying a ticket. For me it was no problem as the webpage for buying did not have the usual problems like being down when sale started. You have to be there in time though
Looking forward to this years installment of talks. I sort of wonder if this year will be a bit more technical again. The last 5 years felt like technical topics faded into the background in favor if social issues and knitting ...
The non-technical topics couldn't be more relevant today. The idea that tech just exists in a bubble, and that one does not need to concern themselves with any ethical or moral implications is causing more harm than ever before. Dismissing that as "social issues and knitting" is concerning to me.
(knitting also being a notably feminine-coded activity)
The Chaos Communication Congresses have sold out in seconds every year for a decade. Visitor numbers are limited only by how many people they think they can fit. It is unrivaled in technical, medial and cultural relevancy in the region.
At that point, the question becomes not how you get people to come, but who you want at your event. And I'm very glad that for Congress, this means being unashamedly political, artistic, social, antifascist, inklusive. If that scares you away, that's by design.
Point that pushing subjective political point of views in technical conferences will not make the tech nor the political landscape better. Its actually divisive to push your own point of views without restraint and can actually backfire.
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Traditionally many of the talks streamed there are pure gold, they even have english translation for the German talks. Given that the title of this page is hacker news it should really be on the top of the page when it is happening.
All the stuff is recorded and stored on http://media.ccc.de, which you can spend months on because you will find recordings of more than a decade of talks on interesting topics.
Really? I tried the videos and couldn't find any. How do you unlock these translations?
This has both English-spoken and translated videos on it.
There is always something interesting to learn from these talks on CCC (Chaos Communication Congress) every year and that is why they're of interest to many of us here.
edit: that didn't even take 30 seconds
What the fuck are your political views that you are not allowed into the congress?
And why do you think its a good argument of comparing kkk to something else? I don't even know whot you are comparing the kkk with.
https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2005/unvereinbarkeitserklaerun...
> By this we mean not only numerous “free comradeships” but also groups such as the “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat”, DVU, FPÖ, the “Hilfsgemeinschaft Nationaler Gefangener”, Lijst Pim Fortuyn (Partij LPF), NPD, ProKöln and “Die Republikaner”.
These are all small splinter parties, aside from the right-populist FPÖ who was recently in the government coalition in Austria and has 60000 members.
I can't speak for CCC, but if you feel excluded by this, you should be. If this hurts your feelings, that's too damn bad. Your feelings hurt our society.
I don't think the KKK are a very good analogy for this; a better example might be McCarthyists/the House Committee on Un-American Activities, since they attack people based on political affiliation, which is at least nominally chosen, rather than inborn characteristics like skin color. Also the KKK made much more use of direct physical violence, rather than social and legal violence.
Even if something has hundreds of upvotes, it seems like all it takes is maybe 3-5 flags to get it buried. This is pathethic and needs to be called out at a larger scale.
Plenty of politically controversial topics get discussed here. But it's also the case that many politically inflammatory threads are just not intellectually interesting. The people doing the bashing on both sides feel very strongly about it, but the majority of the audience here tunes out in tedium.
Case in point: internet bickering about Antifa. This is lame.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21890328
It informed people in a quite polite manner that there was a particular political alignment factor to this event. Many people commented and were thus apparently were interrested in the topic.
Is this lame? I don't get it.
I think you should at least increase the number of flag actions required to bury something (or better yet, rework the entire system from the ground up) - as it stands it's way too easy for political opponents to bury something they don't like. The Hong Kong-related threads have also illustrated this.
The bottom line: it's way too easy to kill information posted on HN.
Antifa means antifascist action - when there's fascists doing things, antifa appears to rry to stop them from doing fascist things. Antifa has no leaders and no real membership because it's just people standing against fascism.
If someone identifies as a member, they are wrong and possibly fake.
I'm not convinced of the usefulness of such excercise, though.
Really?
In the US it’s a different case but here we’re explicitly speaking of the CCC.
Just because lots of people support it doesn't mean it's not a terrorist organization. ISIS has 8-12M supporters.
If you find any talks on the schedule [1] that seem interesting but are in a language you're not fluent in, use the 'native'/'translated' switcher in the video player.
Subtitles will be available after congress, here [2].
Finally: Congress is an amazing experience, and it's all volunteer-driven (including the crazy network infrastructure, the live streams, the translations and everything). If you have some spare time between Christmas and the new year, consider visiting next time around. It's a lot of fun!
[0] https://c3lingo.org/
[1] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2019/Fahrplan/index....
[2] https://c3subtitles.de/
No livestreams though. Usually the delay between the talk and the release is a couple hours.
This is the active IRC channel: https://webirc.hackint.org/#irc://irc.hackint.org/#36c3
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2019/Fahrplan/events...
Saw it live and it was quite enjoyable.
Another talk that's pretty awesome is this one:
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2019/Fahrplan/events...
(knitting also being a notably feminine-coded activity)
At that point, the question becomes not how you get people to come, but who you want at your event. And I'm very glad that for Congress, this means being unashamedly political, artistic, social, antifascist, inklusive. If that scares you away, that's by design.
At least technicity is objective and drama free
I'm certain they are - it's possible those who don't like what they are doing are not the user base.
https://dashboard.congress.ccc.de/