Yes. The 737-MAX breaks a history decades of planes not generally not crashing, and introduces instead a plane that tries very hard to crash with hundreds of people onboard. The process and leadership errors and regulatory capture that led to that afflict tech companies as much as any other. It’s going to remain news for some time to come.
ps. I flagged this post. It has no content and doesn’t deserve to be on HN yet.
A plane crash from an american constructor in a country that was just attacked by US army is rather interesting. Then maybe it is not related to any "hacker" topic, but the potential engineering fails behind the boeing 737 Max is probaly rather interesting for "hackers".
No 747 has been used for mainstream commercial passenger service for almost a year because it’s an old, uneconomical design that simply can’t compete anywhere except in cargo.
That makes it a 737 NG. The NG’s structural components were mostly manufactured (badly) by a subcontractor, Ducommun, but Boeing insisted on installing them anyhow. In 2010, there was a cover-up and a whistleblower; Al Jazeera broke it in a long-form documentary that apparently no one watched.
To be fair, none of those 180 people, if they had lived, would have cared if I died.
150,000 people die each day, of whom 50,000 die of causes not labelled as “age related causes”. If I died in a non-newsworthy way, nobody outside my own corner of global society would know about it; the fact that some random individuals you don’t know happen to have died in a slightly more newsworthy way today probably shouldn’t change how you feel about them, versus the other 50,000 or so premature deaths for the day.
Why is this downvoted? For lacking compassion? This is one of the few truthful comments on this thread, which is otherwise full of speculation and rumor.
As if things could not get even worse for Boeing. Double the attention from the press, and I'm sure it'll also be misreported to hell and back. They might even have to fire the bean counter CEO they've just appointed.
Considering the current climate, be interesting to see who was on the plane and/ or what the fallout from this is.
Assuming this isn't some kind of political attack, you have to wonder how much this is due to Iran's inability to trade due to sanction would impact its airlines ability to get updates to their aircraft. (Update: Not an Iranian jet so likely not an issue)
Which suggests Russia might be at the heart of this. Back to the original question about who was on the plane.
Geez. The fire from wreckage is probably not even out yet and you've done dove headfirst off of "speculation" cliff!
In your defense, though, you certainly aren't the only one. There's nothing but rampant speculaion in this thread -- some from folks who should know better.
You watch too much CNN or MSNBC to dredge up the disproven Russiagate conspiracy theory FUD. Maybe you should wait for investigators to provide their preliminary findings, eh?
I wonder if the "technical" issue would have anything to do with measures we (the US) may currently be taking against Iran?
Could just be a Boeing related error, but that is definitely one of the hottest places in the world tonight.
Edit:
Just so this isn't misconstrued as me implying that the US shot down the plane or something, I meant some sort of passive signal scrambling type thing that would confuse instruments on the plane.
Not knowing a lot about the technical possibilities of all this, just wondering.
Navigation systems are built on very conservative assumptions. They fall back to autonomous inertial guidance, if satellite and ground-based navigation aids become unavailable. This reduces airspace throughput (airplanes need larger separation distances due to lower navigation accuracy), but is completely safe.
Video and reports suggest it was accidentally shot down. It’s not even a question when you see it.
There’s no way state media could’ve concluded it was a “technical issue” so quickly. They are trying to pass blame on Boeing but they really messed this one up.
It's worth not trying to understand what happened in the first few hours, you'll rarely be correct.
The video could have been an old one that someone uploaded as misinformation.
The video can show you that the plane looks like it was shot down, but it can't show you that it was done accidentally by Iranian military.
The "reports" of it being accidentally shot down could just have been made up by someone, unsourced. Actually, it looks like they're coming from Al Hadath, which appears to be a Saudi-controlled news TV channel.
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ps. I flagged this post. It has no content and doesn’t deserve to be on HN yet.
According to this [1,2,3] there are currently 99 747s in the air, a quick check [4,5,6,7] shows, that at least some are passenger planes.
[1] https://de.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/
[2] https://de.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B744
[3] https://de.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B748
[4] https://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW117/history/202001...
[5] https://british-airways.flight-status.info/ba-117
[6] https://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH462/history/202001...
[7] https://lufthansa.flight-status.info/lh-462
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ukrainian-airliner-cr...
Here's the specific tail number / aircraft: https://www.flightera.net/planes/UR-PSR
Crash site photo: https://twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/1214762556289667077
Synchronicity (or pareidolia?) makes me want to think there's intentionality here, when in reality it's probably just a tragedy.
180 people crashed in an airliner. Even for HN, have a little compassion.
150,000 people die each day, of whom 50,000 die of causes not labelled as “age related causes”. If I died in a non-newsworthy way, nobody outside my own corner of global society would know about it; the fact that some random individuals you don’t know happen to have died in a slightly more newsworthy way today probably shouldn’t change how you feel about them, versus the other 50,000 or so premature deaths for the day.
Assuming this isn't some kind of political attack, you have to wonder how much this is due to Iran's inability to trade due to sanction would impact its airlines ability to get updates to their aircraft. (Update: Not an Iranian jet so likely not an issue)
Which suggests Russia might be at the heart of this. Back to the original question about who was on the plane.
In your defense, though, you certainly aren't the only one. There's nothing but rampant speculaion in this thread -- some from folks who should know better.
Could just be a Boeing related error, but that is definitely one of the hottest places in the world tonight.
Edit:
Just so this isn't misconstrued as me implying that the US shot down the plane or something, I meant some sort of passive signal scrambling type thing that would confuse instruments on the plane.
Not knowing a lot about the technical possibilities of all this, just wondering.
See: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/a/2276
On HN, there's no harm in waiting: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
no further data updates and last reported altitude of 7,350ft at 277kts. Keep in mind the airport is at 3,305ft
Interesting it's showing as en-route.
n/m. Bloomberg updated it with better tracker. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569
There’s no way state media could’ve concluded it was a “technical issue” so quickly. They are trying to pass blame on Boeing but they really messed this one up.
The video could have been an old one that someone uploaded as misinformation.
The video can show you that the plane looks like it was shot down, but it can't show you that it was done accidentally by Iranian military.
The "reports" of it being accidentally shot down could just have been made up by someone, unsourced. Actually, it looks like they're coming from Al Hadath, which appears to be a Saudi-controlled news TV channel.