Tell HN: I quit my job to bootstrap my startup by myself.

129 points by chr15 ↗ HN
I'm 24 and worked as a developer for a consulting company working on custom enterprise apps. I got tired of watching the startup world from the sidelines, so I took the plunge and quit my job to work on my own projects.

I don't have paying customers, thousands of Twitter followers, a large presence here on HN, or even a cofounder. I'm starting from absolutely nothing and will be building from the ground up. All I have is 12-15 months of savings and my hacking skills.

I moved back home with my parents to save some money and build the product out, but will hopefully be moving out to San Francisco sometime this year.

I started a blog (www.itschris.me) if you would like to stay up to date on what I'm up to or get in touch.

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Get something out there that people can use, quickly. Good luck.
Thank you. I'm about 1 month away from having something people can use.
Don't move to SF before you're making the money to afford it. Those savings will stretch a lot further living with Mom and Dad.
Maybe. The experience and connections one makes out here are often worth it, and you can find very cheap housing sharing a room in the valley, or one of the more remote parts of the city.

Overall, it took about a three months to get on my feet after moving out here, but it was absolutely worth it.

Seconded. Moving here will help you find a cofounder, meet lots of other entrepreneurs who can help you, and build relationships with investors. The economic benefits of being involved in the startup scene may outweigh the high cost of living.
Which is why I advocate splitting the difference, and moving there once you can already survive. Ramen profitability is a great boon to negotiations, remember.
"Moving here will help you find a cofounder, meet lots of other entrepreneurs who can help you, and build relationships with investors." Can you share some specific experiences (how you met them, how they helped you, outcomes,etc)?
Agree. And you might end up making enough money not to bother moving.
Would you mind elaborating on that? Staying at a Hackerhouse is relatively inexpensive(~550/mo). Food? ~700. Cali Taxes are, of course very high, but I don't see how SF is less expensive than Boston/NYC. Then again you could get by with $2k/month in SF but it's a question of how the quality of your life would be.
Staying at your parents' house might be free ($0/mo). Food? I think $700's a high quote, even for SF, but you can save quite a bit eating at home in Bumblefuck, Alabama relative to San Fran. Most people don't live in Boston and NYC, either.

I'm not talking about stretching living expenses from 6 months to 8 months - I'm talking about stretching them to 24 months.

I live in B, Alabama and can attest to the excellent cost of living here. My runway lasts over twice as long here as in the NE or SV.
Sure, but it's ~37 degrees there now and ~75 in San Francisco. Quality of life is important, too.
So it's above freezing then, all is good!
Not sure about the wisdom of this; it could go pretty strongly in either direction depending on the individual.

If you're young and single you can live pretty cheaply and surround yourself with the inspiring people and general atmosphere of silicon valley. The fact that you have some expenses may help light a fire under you and accelerate your progress.

On the other hand, if you are highly self-motivated, and you are productive from your parents house, then you're likely not missing out on much in the short term, because most of your time is going to be spent coding anyway.

Don't move to SF at all. It never ceases to amaze me how 1st time web start-ups think moving there is the only way to succeed. Grrrr.

We're located in Bath, England. That's right, not even London. We launched our new startup in June 2010 and we just hit $600K in yearly recurring rev. MRR grew by almost 20% this month. Don't believe the TechCrunch hype about funding and the Silicon Valley scene.

Ryan I am impressed with all of your achievements including http://thinkvitamin.com/ but I am not sure your advice is as sound as your business. Your team has built a great brand globally over many years with the conference business, and in my opinion you have done a nice job leveraging that brand equity for your new startup.

I do agree that if you are building a revenue focused company, you don't have to go to San Francisco.

But it's hard to argue against how easy it is to raise money or get acquired in the valley vs anywhere else in the world. Look at how easy it was for Path and Instagram to raise money and to get cheap money at that. In other markets many VCs want to see revenue not just traction and that revenue can work against you and lower your valuation - making the money more expensive.

For reference to Instagram, see this Chris Dixon interview with Kevin Systrom

"He also talks about how the serendipity of Silicon Valley contributed to the formation Instagram, remembering a party that Dixon once threw in San Francisco where Systrom ended up meeting his key angel investors."

http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/02/founder-stories-instagram-l...

It does make me a little sad that there are companies that are not "revenue focused". It would be a shame if the word "revenue" started getting thrown around with the same disdain as "lifestyle business".
Survivor bias.
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yeah when you live with mom and dad, your expenses will pretty much be zero.

rent? paid for

food? basics covered, so can be 0.

internet? chances are already installed

if you are living at home, I think your expenses can boil down just to your cell phone bill, and money you are paying for hosting.

I strongly disagree. I recently moved out of Austin to pursue my startup in San Francisco. In my first week here I met countless startups, made some REAL connections, sat in a conference room (and got amazing feedback on my product) for hours with a legendary entrepreneur that everyone here has heard of, ate amazing food, etc etc.

I made more forward progress here in one week than I did in the last year in Austin.

The vibe here is insane and people are genuinely willing to help founders who are just starting out. Forget about stretching your money "a bit further" with mom and dad. Get out here ASAP...

BTW, I currently live in SOMA and pay about $900/month to live with 2 really cool guys who work at startups.

Good for you.

I promised myself I would give notice today. I don't think it's going to happen. Maybe it's just because I'm older (28) and have more inertia (wife, dog, a bunch of stuff to pack or get rid of and moving) to overcome.

I hate to reply to my own post, but in this case I think it's good form.

I'm going to give notice as soon as my boss is back from wherever he's gotten off to.

I do have another job offer that I'm debating. I think it's probably better to turn that down and finally get out of this backwater (a city of ~40k people in a mountainous US state).

That means moving in with my parents in Nebraska until we get things together for a move somewhere more startup and tech friendly. While I'd be happy moving to the Bay area and eeking it out in a one-bedroom place, I'm not going to drag the wife and dog (can you even find dog-friendly places out there?) into that.

I hope none of the affected parties reads this...

Good luck. I did the same a coupla months ago (except I didn't even "Tell HN").
I'm in a similar situation. Mail me (profile) if you want to exchange thoughts or ideas.
Same here. Although I'm doing a slightly different thing, I'd still love to chat. Perhaps I can offer some input as well.
I plan to do the same this May. Good luck to you!
Thanks for sharing Chris, great last blog entry on your site, very honest and to the point. I worked at BigCo for 3 years, quick BigCo, consulted for 7 yrs, started an Agency for 5 yrs, then sold it last year.

Now I'm back to consulting, taking a breather, as those 5 years were many 70hr/weeks of blood/sweat/tears.....get ready for the same :)

Good luck to you man!

I admire your dedication! You don't have too much to lose, but a lot knowledge to gain. Your bootstrapped approach is great and your time-frame reasonable for a smaller project. Good luck!

If I should ever do a start-up again, I'll go for boot-strapped as well. If people give you big wads of money they often try to influence your business too much ... sometimes even beyond recognition. Aw... ugly memories.

What are you building?

By the way, http://www.itschris.com is pretty great, too.

I'm working on Project Hard Candy (http://cndy.co). It's an itch I wanted to scratch for a while. I need to come up with a better name.
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Why San Francisco? Move to San Diego and pay a lot less... I'm out here building a startup and there are many others doing the same.
San Diego is also on the list. I should've put "The Valley" in general. Thanks for the comment.
Not sure where you're geographically located but San Diego isn't anywhere near anything that could be considered "The Valley".
I was thinking of San Jose :)
I'm a contractor who just quit my fulltime client (the 9-5 "job") to bootstrap my startup as well; I live in North County San Diego. I only have ~3 months in the bank, but with two part-time clients, I pay all my monthly bills, with the rest of my time going into my startup and I live a block from the beach in the middle of a coastal downtown area.

Life is good :) Take the plunge. PM me if you wind up moving down here, would love to get coffee.

Where's the PM button? I'd love to touch base we might have a bit in common.
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Firstly, best of luck with your startup! That's an exciting move. I'd also recommend moving somewhere like New York, SF, Boston, Austin where there is an active community of technologists with whom you can bounce ideas.

I wanted to point out though that your startup's name brings forth strongly negative connotations.

Your startup is photo sharing site called Hard Candy.

There's a movie called Hard Candy about a 32 year old pedophile photographer who gets castrated by Ellen Page's (Juno) character and then kills himself.

Something to be aware of as people see your site.

Thanks. Yeah, I'll change the name. It's not intended to be the final name. Just until I can think of something better. I've never seen that movie.
And you don't want to. Trust me. But yeah, I agree with the OP. The name "Hard Candy" immediately inspired thoughts of castration.
Why not? I enjoyed the movie.
If that never came up again I would personally just ignore my comment. But for me the photography link was a little too close that anyone who has seen the movie will probably make the connection.

Kind of like the tea party tea bagging thing.

To be fair, "Hard Candy" is also the name of a cosmetics line and a Madonna album. I like the name and have never heard of the Ellen Page movie.
"Hard Candy Shell" is also the name of UX/UI design firm in New York City.
"Candy Schell" is the name of a real life musician I know.
Excellent! I did the same thing about a month ago (although I left another startup, not a BigCo).

Haven't decided whether or not to move in with Mom & Dad though. The savings would be nice, but I live in Santa Clara already and they're an hour south of that. The connections in the valley are worth more, IMO.

Good luck, and come to the launch conference next week as my guest, ping me @Jason
Awesome Jason!! I really love your interest in helping people..
Congratulations on starting out!

I'm 24 as well and working on my own ramen-profitable startup.

This is a good time in your life to risk it all. My suggestion is to try and go for revenue as soon as possible. Even if you just get to making $1-2k a month, you can live on that at this time in your life.

Hey, Boa sorte !

I like thousands here am planning to do the same but with Rails. Your Idea seams nice and the site already looks good. Would be if you post info about the site, when it happens so we can follow.

Cya later !

Best of luck to you. We are a bootstrapped startup here in the SF Bay Area. It is true that living expenses in this area can be higher, however the opportunities you would get is also better, IMHO. From what people who live in SF the city told me, food is actually cheaper than the suburban cities. Once you are here, start networking (you can start by looking for suitable meetup groups in the meetup site) because in general people are very willing to help. Once again, good luck.
If you're looking to save some money, there are a bunch of hacker houses in the Bay Area that tend to be pretty friendly to having people crash and live on the cheap while doing the startup thing.

There was an HN thread about this a while back (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1536822) but no current information. Anybody have connections?

I'm quitting my job in March and heading on the same path as you, I wish you the best of luck for your startup. Enjoy the journey!
Good luck! Keep us posted. Lots of us (myself included) are interested in doing something similar. It's great to here how people are getting on.
Love hearing stuff like this. Good luck.
I noticed you worked at Booz Allen Hamilton, is that the consulting company you recently quit from?

I am 23 and worked for Booz Allen 4 months ago before I quit myself to work on my startup.

Best of luck my friend! It is a much better feeling to be working and struggling for the things you love than having it easy with the things you don't!

Yep, I worked out of their headquarters in McLean, VA. I would definitely like to keep in touch. Good luck!
Yea, I was based in San Antonio. Thanks!
First, good luck and hope you do well.

My startup Socialblaze is in the social/analytics space, and it looks like you're entering this space as well. Good luck! It's a fun space to be in (and moving very fast).

Here's a few things I think you should figure out before starting to build your product:

- Are you really aware of your customers' needs? Have you talked to any that would use your product? Would they pay for it? (Also, a customer saying that he/she would loves that product and would pay for it is very different then keeping them as an active user with an active subscription for 1+ months).

- Small businesses, musicians, and influencers don't have much money, what's your pricepoint? Would they be willing to pay?

- What's your customer acquisition strategy? Have you tested it? Do you know it works? What's your backup?

- If you're providing analytics, make sure your customers actually get ROI from it. It's possible that a white-label twitpic with 10 new features won't increase engagement at all or not enough to justify costs, making your analytics prove that your product isn't useful.

Honestly, I suggest that you first move to the Valley and join a funded early stage startup as employee #3-5. You'll learn a ton and have the experience + connections (these are so important!) to do your own startup in a few years.

And startups aren't as glamorous as you think or read on Techcrunch, read Suster's post on the startup lifestyle: http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/30/should-you-really-be-a-star...

If you still want to do it: fail fast, fail early, and iterate. Also, find amazing advisors as quickly as you can.

Hey Chris,

Good luck! I know where you are coming from. Normally I'd suggest you read my book on the topic (LFF - free on www.hunterdavis.com), but it sounds like you're already over the first hump (saving for the startup). I'm 29, and last June along with a co-founder quit my 9-5 to start www.discursivelabs.com. We've got some upcoming products and some sites in active beta. The best three pieces of advice I would give you:

1. Be open to contracts when they come up. Seriously, just being open to the possibility of contract work and attending appropriate trade shows can get you through the lean times. 2. Betas. Always beta, beta often. Don't rush to go public with your beta. We've gotten so much valuable insight into our product from our beta testers It's staggering the difference in quality feedback between 100 motivated private beta testers and 10000 mediocre public ones. 3. Build your word of mouth with useful information and verify it exists with site analytics. I was lucky in that I had a fairly active community of programmers and hackers reading my personal website, but I had a fairly good number of folks email after a good StackExchange reply I posted. People appreciate useful information, and it's a good chance to mention your product.

Good luck to you! I previously worked at Booz as well. You may be surprised but your experience (and connections) in consulting will help down the road. A friend of mine (Booz alum) is also transitioning from software development at a consulting firm to the start up world - he is in b-school at the moment.
Thanks! It looks like there are several people from Booz leaving to work on a startup!