ASK Hn: Funding a "small" startup in London
Hi everyone
I have just arrived in London and have created a web startup - I have a couple of products that I think can generate income, but am focusing on the strongest one first ... I am looking for funding to quit the 9-5 job and concentrate on the main product. The funding I am looking for is about 20,000 pounds ... can anyone point me in the right direction? I am unsure if I should look for an investor to gain contacts etc, or if I should approach the banks for a loan? Any comments and advice appreciated!
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[ 4.8 ms ] story [ 69.3 ms ] threadI keep a list on Twitter with a few who are active: http://twitter.com/#!/list/f/eu-angels There's also AngelList for Europe here: http://angel.co/europe
There are also other options. Since you're aiming for 20k, which is not a high amount, you may want to try the 3 f's first - Friends, Family, Fools. A personal loan might work too. It boils down to how much risk you're willing to take. (I'd go with angels first, because investing is what they do and they can help you more than just providing you with cash.)
As a general guide, Banks won't lend money against a start-up business. The business is not a secured asset at this point. For £20K, you may be able to get a loan against other assets you have (such as a house, though if you've just arrived you probably forgot to pack one of those) or even an unsecured personal loan (more difficult, particularly up to £20K, and I've just experienced my own no-credit-history fun having moved to London so I know there aren't many organisations or banks with lazy cash to splash around).
Start-up seed funding is often called the 'Friends, Family, and Fools' round. Since £20K is a small amount (compared, of course, to bigger amounts), it may be possible to borrow it from friends and family who know and trust you, or 'fools' who don't know you but decide to trust you anyway. This is, generally, your best bet for amounts of this size. You mention looking to gain contacts - is it possible to leverage the contacts you already have?
Finally, in regards to taking investment from someone who is an investor. They will probably want to see a business plan - more specifically, what are you going to do with £20K? I'd say your lifestyle will be different to mine (I have, for instance, an international mortgage and a beautiful wife to part-fund) - it costs us just under £5K/month to live reasonably well in London, and a single in a shared flat could probably get by for £2K - do you want £20K so you can live for ten months, or is some of that specifically earmarked for marketing, training, software programmes etc? It may be easier to find an investor for slightly more money, if you have some specific investments planned, than for a smaller amount designed solely to rescue you from 9-5.
Once again, these are all generalisations. You already have the web startup created and a couple of products - that may be all you need, with the right introduction, to progress. Oh - I'm always happy to make time for coffee to discuss - see my profile for contact details.
I would love to meet for a coffee sometime - will be in touch. P.s. I'm a kiwi!
Nobody's perfect.
(Actually, I'm enjoying the fact that on this side of the world we're best friends, not mortal, sheep-tossing enemies.)
Bit of self publicity: I'm looking for young startups in the area. I'm the author of hackurls.com and I'm following other web startup-like projects. Honestly I'm a competent and passionate programmer (git pyhthon django mysql mongodb java..). Feel free to contact me at vuotomeccanico on gmail.
How far developed are you products and what markets are you working in? - if you're in the b2b space another option might be to approach potential customers and see if they're willing to finance you (or even if they can provide an letter of intent saying they intend to buy your product; you may be able to use that to get a bank loan).
Another option could be to become a contractor for a while, 20k isn't a huge amount of money, you could easily earn that much money in 3-6 months (if you take payment through your company and re-invest it in your startup products it also means you won't have to pay any tax on it).
that way, you don't risk financial ruin, and you can bootstrap yourself.
(i did this succesfully over a period of 2-3 years, while not London I am UK. pm me if you like!)
Is there any other way of contacting you? =)
I use this address for gtalk IM only (don't mail it) .. so I dont mind if I get spam from sharing it here! Feel free to add me anybody, but remember I work a 9-5 and cant chat heaps during the day
alain.richardt85@gmail.com
Cheers Alain
Funding yourself (with job, contracts, etc.) is rarely discussed here, but it's a much more reliable way to get money than seeking investment. It's tough to find the time balance, but there's something to be said for having a basically endless runway.
That you never have any motivation to take off?
Word. But, time/money constraints can be a great motivator.
One day I'd like to be making investments like this (he says, not really knowing what you're planning to do).
Can you share more info privately?
Cool let's chat :) email me on alain.richardt85@gmail.com and I'll send you much more info
Alain
Either that or do I did and keep a full time job and work evenings and weekends until your startup matches your salary.