Ask HN: Meeting overload – how many do you have daily/weekly?

114 points by stackdestroyer ↗ HN
Hi HN - curious to understand how much time engineering leaders spend in meetings. Thinking engineering managers, directors and VP's...

Extra credit: What's the longest duration meeting you regularly have? (For OP, it's a twice monthly 4 hour meeting with ALL product and engineering sr. mgrs and directors - FML)

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Needs "Ask HN" in subject line.

I generally have about 5 meetings a week, totaling around 3 hours. I don't enjoy meetings, but they seem somewhat productive and the burden isn't too bad.

Too many, and nicely spaced out to maximize the loss of productivity from context switching.
Two weekly meetings (15-30 minutes) with my current employer. And a single weekly 30 minutes meeting for a contractor.
My company does 6 team meetings/week. Daily 30min with dev&support. Friday it's 60min while we review the week. Not counting any ad-hoc or scheduled 1on1
I work at a small non-profit teal organization. we have a daily standup for the engineers, but other than that meetings are rare for me. I have to go on HN to get my fix for being distracted.
18 hrs/wk of 1-1s incl. w/ reports, peers, and my own manager. 2 hrs/wk staff/leadership mtgs. 4-6 hrs/wk project mtgs. 4-6 hrs/wk ad-hoc mtgs.

That makes... ~30 hrs/wk of meetings. Yup, that just about matches my calendar.

Longest: the 1.5 hrs my manager and I have blocked off for our 1-1s. It doesn't always run that long, but we also often run out of time.

Edit: Role is VP Engineering

One 90 minute leadership meeting a week. Generally, that will be it, unless there is another issue that requires hashing something out. For my engineering team, I try to keep "meetings" at 0. Well organized asynchronous communication with the occasional slack discussion keeps things running pretty smoothly.
How large of a team is it? How do you estimate the complexity of work?
Terrific man. Glad to see folks be creative and disciplined against meeting culture.

Around here, everyone complains about meetings, yet few do anything about it.

Its just easier to go to meetings, instead of thinking hard to reduce others’ time with google docs, async discussion, etc.

And those who creatively push back against meetings fear being called “hard to work with”

2h3 for interview and report, then 2h ~4 for other kind of meetings (sync, feature discussion, 1-1), then some mentoring sessions, 30m * 3-5.

~16h meeting every weeks. To be honest, I'm very much dislike that, but people seems to love talking more than writing detailed docs.

This goes hand in hand with a comment i saw earlier that people’s written communication skills are bad. Some people are more efficient with async communication than others.
There is also the issue that some people don't read things. Plus, when people don't read something there isn't very good feedback that they aren't paying attention. If you have a meeting, you know that the information you wanted to get across is being transmitted and you have a way to quickly detect if people aren't paying attention or they don't understand.

People do like talking and lots of meetings are unnecessary. But I think you can deal with the issue better if you get into the heads of the people calling the meetings and figure out alternatives that meet their needs as well.

I have around 18 hours per week of prebooked meeting time (1:1s, team meetings, planning, 1:1 with manager, sync meetings with different cross initiatives, interviews, candidate screening, etc).

I have observed that my biggest productivity killer are not those meetings (I try to make them useful for me and I try to make sure they are useful for everyone). The biggest problem comes when the time around them is very fragmented. For me, a week with 30 hours of meetings can be more productive than a week with 15 hours if I manage to defragment the time around them.

I have recently worked with my team and other peers to put an effort to defragment my calendar by batching predictable meetings together (this is a process I repeat every 6-12 months) and I feel an immediate boost in focus.

My rule of thumb is trying to make sure I get daily focus slots as close as possible to length X where X is:

X = ( (40 hours) - (prebooked hours in meetings) / (5 weekdays) )

In my case (40-18)/5 = 4.4 hours. I currently have two 4-hour slots monday and tuesday, a 5 hour slot on wednesday and a 3 hour slot on thursdays. Not bad. But that degrades quickly!

One thing I did to combat this was refuse to allow any recurring meetings on Fridays. I almost always end up with a couple of one-offs but I can usually put those at the start of the day. Typically this results in 6+ hours of uninterrupted time on Friday.

The rest of my week is a fragmented disaster but at least Fridays are nice.

I calendar my desk time for this reason
I have tried this with limited success. Sometimes people respect the time you have blocked, most times not. So I end up feeling double booked and frustrated that my attempts to get time to do "real work" are thwarted.
Another technique is to insist on an agenda before any meeting, both for time to prepare and to see if it's pertinent, or the default answer is "no."

Standing meetings are 99% a waste of time, usually about someone/s trying to climb the career stripper pole.

Standing meetings are also used to force procrastinators to report in frequently enough that they stop relying on "secret" all-nighters at the end of the week to get their work done
i am both the driver of my team moving to 15-minute stand ups, and the dude “secretly” pulling the occasional heroic all nighters. peak cognitive dissonance rn
hah.

Do you actually get standups resolved in under 15 minutes more than half the time?

If so, what's your secret?

We do, in a team of 10. We have a very strict rule of being prepared before standup and going through the standup list quickly (< 1 min each). We also make sure to keep our list of tasks focused. Any sidebar discussions are taken until the ending of the meeting and all stakeholders who care can be part of it.

I think for us at least, just having the team all aligned on wanting to finish the meeting as fast as possible helps keep it running quickly and smoothly.

I believe you may be confusing "stand up" from scrum/agile with a "standing" meeting meaning a meeting with a weekly or some other recurring cadence.

A stand up done right is IMHO not a problem and effective. Various other status and weekly meetings generally just waste time.

Thank you for posting this. I am also in a situation where I am a mid level manager for a globally distributed team. The advice of "just have less meetings" or "force an agenda for all of them" has already been followed -- you really do have to talk a lot of people in certain roles.

I love the idea of a regular "defrag" process. I haven't done this consciously but it's happened that way because I'm in Pacific time zone and we have a EU headquarters, so as a result there is a chunk between 7am-11am Pacific that is almost always booked. Leaves the rest of the day for working time. Not perfect but works for me.

I found this effective to handle fragmentation by accepting only meetings before lunch, doing only post lunch also works . Either mornings or afternoons are fully free to do focused work
Once per day 15 minutes, once per week a couple hours. The rest of the time I get up and go to work.
Enterprise Architect: 11 mandatory hours this week, and a number of regular meetings have been canceled. Optional meetings amount to around 7 hours this week; pretty light.

At my busiest, it is closer to 30 hours a week, and my longest regular meeting is a quarterly planning offsite that's ~3x 8 hour days.

EDIT: I can't say that I resent any of these, since they're simply a part of the job. My role has a component that I have come to call 'state synchronization'. I act as a bridge between multiple groups by syncing up technical knowledge, status, and blockers between the various engineering groups (and other technical leadership) who I work with.

Standups work great for small groups, but they don't scale well beyond 10-15 people.

Thanks for the reply! How do you communicate your state across the various groups? What routines/rituals do you use religiously?
Exactly, we say the same thing to people using our product [1]. And the same falls true for team compositions. If you have a 10+ team is already hard to work "as a team" like that. And standup meetings becoming bloated are a strong sign that you need to change and / or split that team and responsibilities.

[1] https://standups.io

I encounter about 1.5 hours of meetings per week. At my last job, that was probably around 3 hours on average. I feel fortunate after reading the comments here.
It makes sense to also post your role if you're posting your meeting hours here.

Because if you're a VP or senior director then yeah, your life is probably meetings and that's normal. If you're an engineering team lead spending 16 hours a week in meetings, well maybe not so much.

Without that info your post doesn't really tell us much, other than some people have more meetings than others :)

Senior software engineer: around 2 hours of regular meetings, plus a maybe 1 hour of ad-hoc/non-recurring meetings per week.
At least 5 hours per week. ~1 hour long standups each day in the middle of the day. Then ~monthly 1 on 1s for an hour.
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What do you do in a 1 hour long standup.

And please don't say "sit down".

Those "standups" sound like pure hell. How many people are on your team? You should be complaining regularly until the situation changes.
Only 2 other devs and 1 sysadmin. I've only been in this job for a few months so it hasn't worn on me yet, but it is definitely starting to.
At least your team is correctly sized, so there is some hope.

At a previous company, we had 12 people in a standup. It took about an hour. (I didn't stay there long.)

~1hr long "standups" are not standups
I'm not a direct manager for IT but I am involved in a lot of projects at our IT department. I used to be pestered into useless meetings all the time but now I just reject them and email people over issues that should really only take 5 minutes to cover.

Now I am down to one fixed meeting a week and I sometimes accept a couple more if the topic actually needs several people in the room to discuss.

I hate meetings!

Infrastructure architect: Five 20 minute "standups" per day, plus a seven hour meeting once a month. Add about 20 hour-long ad hoc meetings a month. Just let me do actual work dammit.
Five 20 minute "standups" per day....#fragile
I'm now full time in architecture in a large international finance company which is a very different environment than what I'm used to. I'm lucky to have 8 hours a week which aren't scheduled meetings. Yes, that means I usually have at least 32 hours of schedule meetings during the 8-5 week.
How many hours a week do you spend working?
To do my role properly without additional hires to support me? I'd probably need 50-60. However, at the moment they are paying me for 40 so I'm working 40. Phone notifications off, no email response after hours, etc.
I'm the founder of a startup with 6 employees (FT/contractors) and have one 1-1 meeting every week (30 min) + a "coffee shop session" for an hour where we shoot the breeze and talk about non-work stuff.
Was doing really well on a previous team with just one (usually) or two meetings a week, got assigned to a new team with a new meeting happy PM, and now I'm lucky if I have less than 3-4 meetings a week. It's driving me fucking insane. Theres a meeting for everything, and dude spreads communication out across several email chains, slack groups and channels and even google groups.
I manage managers and engineers at twitter. Most weeks are 25-30 hours of meetings.
Daily standup, weekly Kanban board review, weekly review of PR's, twice per month team retro. And that's about it. And it's a big company too.
I have 2 recurring meetings per week, standups MWF, and design sessions (I'm in software architecture). Other than that, really nothing, besides the occasional quarterly department all-hands.

My longest meetings are the design sessions. It's myself, another architect, and our director for 2 hours twice a week. However, I don't consider that a meeting as much as a productive working session.

Support engineer at my current role. All meetings are pretty ad-hoc as current issues necessitate. On call rotates for a week every 4~ weeks, and there's a 15 minute systems status meeting every morning. Most days that's my only meeting.

That sounds miserable and unproductive OP :'(

At one point I had 3 or 4 mandatory meetings a week, totaling 9 or 10 hours a week.

I think it was a side effect of the scrum coaches having little work to do, so we would have planning meetings with the whole team, even if nothing in your domain was on the schedule for the meeting. We also re-defined primative agile concepts every week, as in we would have to debate what a bug, task, or chore meant, every week.

When I raised the concept of meetings only involving those who it concerned, or even better, letting a workflow develop organically, I was accused of being lazy and not committed. In a lot of manager heavy orgs, the culture is that meetings are what productivity is measured by, and more visible.

Those are very long meetings! I consider myself lucky to work somewhere that 30 minute meetings are the norm, and if longer ones are needed we try 45 minutes before taking up a full hour. Being strict about ending on time encourages efficient use of everyone's time.