Ask HN: Meeting overload – how many do you have daily/weekly?
Hi HN - curious to understand how much time engineering leaders spend in meetings. Thinking engineering managers, directors and VP's...
Extra credit: What's the longest duration meeting you regularly have? (For OP, it's a twice monthly 4 hour meeting with ALL product and engineering sr. mgrs and directors - FML)
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That makes... ~30 hrs/wk of meetings. Yup, that just about matches my calendar.
Longest: the 1.5 hrs my manager and I have blocked off for our 1-1s. It doesn't always run that long, but we also often run out of time.
Edit: Role is VP Engineering
Around here, everyone complains about meetings, yet few do anything about it.
Its just easier to go to meetings, instead of thinking hard to reduce others’ time with google docs, async discussion, etc.
And those who creatively push back against meetings fear being called “hard to work with”
~16h meeting every weeks. To be honest, I'm very much dislike that, but people seems to love talking more than writing detailed docs.
People do like talking and lots of meetings are unnecessary. But I think you can deal with the issue better if you get into the heads of the people calling the meetings and figure out alternatives that meet their needs as well.
I have observed that my biggest productivity killer are not those meetings (I try to make them useful for me and I try to make sure they are useful for everyone). The biggest problem comes when the time around them is very fragmented. For me, a week with 30 hours of meetings can be more productive than a week with 15 hours if I manage to defragment the time around them.
I have recently worked with my team and other peers to put an effort to defragment my calendar by batching predictable meetings together (this is a process I repeat every 6-12 months) and I feel an immediate boost in focus.
My rule of thumb is trying to make sure I get daily focus slots as close as possible to length X where X is:
X = ( (40 hours) - (prebooked hours in meetings) / (5 weekdays) )
In my case (40-18)/5 = 4.4 hours. I currently have two 4-hour slots monday and tuesday, a 5 hour slot on wednesday and a 3 hour slot on thursdays. Not bad. But that degrades quickly!
The rest of my week is a fragmented disaster but at least Fridays are nice.
Standing meetings are 99% a waste of time, usually about someone/s trying to climb the career stripper pole.
Do you actually get standups resolved in under 15 minutes more than half the time?
If so, what's your secret?
I think for us at least, just having the team all aligned on wanting to finish the meeting as fast as possible helps keep it running quickly and smoothly.
A stand up done right is IMHO not a problem and effective. Various other status and weekly meetings generally just waste time.
I love the idea of a regular "defrag" process. I haven't done this consciously but it's happened that way because I'm in Pacific time zone and we have a EU headquarters, so as a result there is a chunk between 7am-11am Pacific that is almost always booked. Leaves the rest of the day for working time. Not perfect but works for me.
At my busiest, it is closer to 30 hours a week, and my longest regular meeting is a quarterly planning offsite that's ~3x 8 hour days.
EDIT: I can't say that I resent any of these, since they're simply a part of the job. My role has a component that I have come to call 'state synchronization'. I act as a bridge between multiple groups by syncing up technical knowledge, status, and blockers between the various engineering groups (and other technical leadership) who I work with.
Standups work great for small groups, but they don't scale well beyond 10-15 people.
[1] https://standups.io
Because if you're a VP or senior director then yeah, your life is probably meetings and that's normal. If you're an engineering team lead spending 16 hours a week in meetings, well maybe not so much.
Without that info your post doesn't really tell us much, other than some people have more meetings than others :)
And please don't say "sit down".
At a previous company, we had 12 people in a standup. It took about an hour. (I didn't stay there long.)
Now I am down to one fixed meeting a week and I sometimes accept a couple more if the topic actually needs several people in the room to discuss.
I hate meetings!
My longest meetings are the design sessions. It's myself, another architect, and our director for 2 hours twice a week. However, I don't consider that a meeting as much as a productive working session.
That sounds miserable and unproductive OP :'(
I think it was a side effect of the scrum coaches having little work to do, so we would have planning meetings with the whole team, even if nothing in your domain was on the schedule for the meeting. We also re-defined primative agile concepts every week, as in we would have to debate what a bug, task, or chore meant, every week.
When I raised the concept of meetings only involving those who it concerned, or even better, letting a workflow develop organically, I was accused of being lazy and not committed. In a lot of manager heavy orgs, the culture is that meetings are what productivity is measured by, and more visible.