One of the killer features is the multi-platform support, including web browsers, in combination with synchronization across devices and the Google Docs plugin. Makes working on a paper across multiple devices super easy.
2. Use Zotero firefox plugin to import it into Zotero. Zotero is able get citation data, and automatically exports it to a bib file.
3. Use emacs helm, which reads the bib file, to cite papers in my documents.
I would have really loved to have this workflow during my Phd, but I was doing everything manually back then. My only complaint is this recent silent change in Zotero, where the exported bib file has entries in alphabetical order, rather than in last-added order. With the last-added order, when I popped open emacs helm, the last added paper would be on top. Now I have to search for it.
Check out the "better bibtex" extension to zotero for exporting to bib files, I find it helps with unicode/utf-8 characters and might fix that alphabetical problem.
Hi, helm-bibtex author here. Helm-bibtex has support for importing citations directly from CrossRef: Fire up helm-bitbex, type search terms (e.g., title of paper), select CrossRef option, select paper from search results and press "c" to copy BibTeX entry, "q" to close, then paste entry into your .bib file.
Thanks for the response. I am aware of that functionality. I, however, usually find papers using the browser (either searching google scholar or on arxiv/scirate). Zotero, then lets me click one button (most of the time), and the entry is available to be cited using a nice citekey (firstauthorYear), and the pdf is placed in my pdf folder with the right filename.
With all due respect to the excellent work you do (many thanks for that), my workflow does not require any manual work most of the time.
I guess you have to manually export your bibliography, but, still, that's a pretty streamlined workflow. There's definitely room for improvements within Emacs.
Easily one of the most useful programs I've installed for work.
Best feature is the web browser add-on. Can open up a few dozen articles during a literature search and dump all of them into Zotero for reading later.
Zotero was also the first reference manger to use CSL, the Citation Style Language [1], now adopted by many other apps including Mendeley and Citationsy.
Should I ask how it has come to be that there are 9500 citation styles? Or will it make me angry and depressed at the lack of cooperation and widely accepted standards?
I believe most of them are the same, but with a different name. So, for my convenience, I don't need to think what citation style a journal uses, I just go and download the citation style with its name, even if I have the same style installed for another journal.
Wouldn't have made it through my doctorate without Zotero. The plugins and MS Word integration made paper writing (almost) enjoyable! Instead of wasting hours on formatting my bibliography/citations, Zotero did the same work in about 2 minutes. Kudos to the folks who maintain this incredible resource, and a big personal thank you!
I actually specifically chose Zotero over Mendeley because Mendeley is owned by Elsevier. Their company has always been a toxic influence on publishing.
Recently they even added a new dark pattern so that when you click the "download PDF" button on their articles it opens up a web app reader loaded with tracking instead of just giving you a PDF. You then have to spend time and click through about three menus to really download the PDF.
It's to the point that I avoid articles published by Elsevier if possible. Easier in my field than others I'm sure.
I used Mendeley to keep track of papers during my PhD. It was really a fantastic piece of software.
Too bad they sold out to the dark side. After they were acquired, I switched to Zotero, but I wasn't doing active research anymore by then, so I don't have as much experience of using Zotero. On the surface it looks pretty good though.
I agree that Elsevier is toxic, and wish they didn't own Mendeley. Unfortunately, at least the last time I compared them, Mendeley was way better than Zotero for my personal use and just couldn't use Zotero. The cloud sync and sharing, the lit search, and all were just so much more compelling. I do think its been long enough I might poke at Zotero again and see if its caught up.
I reluctantly switched from Zotero to Mendeley as Mendeley has Android app that synchronises highlights, notes, read-progress etc. with the desktop version. It made reading papers on my tablet a delight.
I use zotero and store the pdf files (renamed and organized with ZotFile) on OneDrive. I can read papers and make highlights/notes to pdfs and they will sync to all of my devices. These notes can be extracted and made searchable within Zotero by Zotfile.
At first I preferred the way that Mendeley did this with its built in pdf reader, but now I'm happy Zotero delegates to the pdf software of your choice.
Mendeley and Zotero are both free, but both have storage limits beyond which you have to pay (Zotero is 300M, Mendeley is 2G). If you only store references and annotations you'll likely never exceed those limits, but if you use them as a paper archive you may. (I have a 3G archive)
To clarify, Zotero's storage limit is only for syncing of attached files. You can use Zotero entirely offline if you choose, storing as much as you want, and we also support WebDAV or linked files (which can be in Dropbox, etc.) for syncing files in your personal library.
You lose your folder organization (a.o.) that way. There used to be a direct import of the database into Zotero (much like Mendeley can do direct import of Zotero DBs) but that has become impossible since Mendeley have encrypted their database, for which they hand-wave to an unspecified GDPR article that apparently forces their hand, but not Zotero, Excel, or a million other apps that you use to process your own data. Plenty of people have asked Mendeley on Twitter to clarify exactly what article would compel this over the past two years, with not a single public response by Mendeley.
Also chiming in to say I used Zotero for my Master's thesis and I was happy with it.
With some plugins (I don't remember exactly) I had a very nice pipeline of "find paper on the interntet" -> Zotero -> automatically updated .bib -> trigger rebuild of Latex document to PDF -> automatic reload in PDF viewer.
The UI is somewhat dated but the functionality is great. Nowadays I would probably choose Citationsy, maybe only because I find the UI more aesthetically pleasing.
Same here. I used it for my first Master's thesis(in biological sciences). I could not make Mendeley work with Word. Zotero works great for writing thesis and research paper with Word.
Used it for my Master's thesis in 2009 (with LaTeX via xelatex), for my wife's Master thesis in 2011 (idem), and now we use it to keep a catalogue of the books we own (just a small home library of about a thousand titles). For the latter Zotero is also great because of its integration with on-line library catalogues. You just type in the ISBN number in the magic box, and the book's metadata is there — in any language!¹ Mostly just a few tweaks to the data are necessary, but it works rather well.
1: Tested with English, Dutch, German, and Japanese novels.
Is, for now. The parts of FF that Zotero relied on are being phased out (listed on the Mozilla docs site as "Archive of obsolete content"), so a transition to Electron is planned, and as part of that transition plan, parts are already being rewritten from XUL into React/HTML.
I like the Firefox bookmarks manager a lot, especially the tags you can apply to a bookmark then search on.
If I get good enough with Lisp, I want to write an importer that takes all the tags from my bookmarks sqlite db, write them into org-mode files with each tagged bookmark listed in the relevant file.
I use Zotero in combination with the Google Scholar browser plugin which let's you download citation files on most pages far more easily than those pages themselves allow you to. I can highly recommend this setup
I'm not sure I can buy into citationsy. From its website, there's too much contradictory marketing hype:
> We don’t have to promise to keep your data safe — because we don’t collect it in the first place... Citationsy lives in the cloud and is accessible from anywhere... Your data is saved in the cloud and backed up every 10 minutes
> Nothing to install, update, or patch... Use our iPhone and Android apps to cite books on the go with our barcode scanner and add the Chrome or Firefox extensions to cite websites in 2 clicks.
Perhaps I missed the use case where you retain your data, or there's a version you can self host?
The first sentence should read “personal data”, but you’re right, the copy is not great. To be fair though, you compiled bits of sentences from completely different sections to make it look more contradictory than it is.
To be clear, Citationsy has no tracking and collects as little personal data as possible.
When you cite something we keep your citation data on our servers, of course. You can download all your citation data at any time in various open formats (BibTeX, CSL-JSON, etc).
Yes, but they’re about different things - one is about personal data and our privacy policy, and the other is about how there is nothing to install, update, or patch when using Citationsy, and all your references are kept safely in the cloud. Our privacy policy is very clear on what data we keep (in fact we link to it from one of the sentences OP omitted above - https://citationsy.com/privacy ). The sections are entirely consistent, unless you take a couple random sentences and disingenuously mush them together.
I think citationsy addresses a different public -- it looks to be more like ZoteroBib (zbib.org) or the web-client of Zotero than Zotero Desktop. Citationsy is going to be convenient for one-offs, but it's very common to shop around a paper until it is accepted somewhere, or submit a follow-up paper that builds on an earlier one, and each outlet may have different citation style requirements. Tools like Zotero (and Mendeley) make that fairly easy because you can just switch the style and re-render the document, and you're (ususally) done. With citationsy, as far as I can tell, you'd need to revisit every reference in the paper to adjust it to the new style. And while it seems to have fallen out of favor, I don't think citationsy can do ibid-style referencing.
I've been using http://www.qiqqa.com/ for 8 years and it does a fantastic job of organizing my PDFs and managing citations. It can do cloud based shared libraries as well.
for me the killer feature is that it makes all the PDFs full text searchable so it is like my own personal google where the links never break and the content is all relevant.
great! good to have an alternative to qiqqa in case it disappears, although it looks like qiqqa has killed their cloud libraries and gone open source. I found qiqqa after google desktop was EOLed.
I have been quick to recommend Qiqqa whenever it seems like it might be a useful tool but I never really saw those comments get much traction - maybe because everyone was already using zotero?
I've tried Mendeley, Zotero and Jabref and stuck with Jabref for my masters thesis. Couldn't recommend it enough, even though haven't given Zotero a serious try.
Does it also have support for managing scans/photographs? I have about 10 Gbyte of images with respect to a research project about art works. The images also contain scans of materials. I would like to extract facts from these documents and maintain a link between those links and the scans. This means being able to annotate a part of an image, which for example is a text with an illustration or a mentioning of a certain art work.
The same people doing zotero have another project https://tropy.org/ which might be what you're looking for? (Disclaimer: I haven't used tropy personally)
I use this all the time, it's a great way to collect papers about different topics and easily add them to writeups. The option to keep a bibtex bibliography updated in real time is especially helpful. All it takes to add a new source is a single click on Firefox and then just cite in latex/docs/word.
The problem with this (and Mendeley, Papers, Bibtex, etc.) is that each paper/thought is isolated. Roam Research (http://roamresearch.com/) is my new jam.
Roam is awesome but this and other reference management software serves a different purpose (for me, at least). I use BibDesk (like Zotero and other examples mentioned here) in conjunction with a plaintext (markdown) Zettelkasten[0]. BibDesk to save references (papers etc.) and copy formatted citations; which are then pasted into Zettels (c.f. a page in Roam).
I do this exact same thing! If I write a new Zettel that references something I read in a book (for example), all I do is get the ISBN of the book (usually off of Amazon), use Zotero's auto-import feature, copy the reference and paste it into my note. The whole thing takes all of ~20 seconds, it's very efficient.
I know Zotero has a lot of other features, but 99% of my workflow with it is what I described above.
I'm gently easing myself into the Roam knowledgebase management style by using Emacs+org-mode+org-roam.
It's definitely one of those topics where you could spend a huge amount of energy organizing but not much actually doing :)
Regarding roamresearch.com: How do you find yourself writing/organizing pages? Daily journal with a log of what you did first, then linking out from there?
(don't feel pressured to write a novel in response, I don't want to steal time from your day!)
What I do is just annotate absolutely everything. I try not to think much about structure. What matters is that my thoughts are put down into text. Structure and organization comes later.
Once your second brain is searchable, you can quickly find those keywords and the context thanks to Roam bidirectional links. This is one way to approach your notes, when you know what you're looking for.
Another way to approach your notes is by browsing. You can create a page with the structure or outline that you come up with, and then fill them with links to blocks in other notes. In here, you can practice a step of progressive summarization and rephrase your notes.
I'm actually trying to free myself from the habit of organizing/structuring/planning. It gets in the way. Still obviously experimenting.
I'll usually just start putting things into Daily Notes, but if a connected set of notes gets too long, I'll make a separate page and add a [[]] link in the Daily Note.
Roam is way of using a wiki. i.e. you could quite easily set up a wiki to act in much the same way as Roam.
The journal part of Roam, the page-per-day part, is very useful. You write down what you're doing each day, use tags and links to build up a second brain, so to speak.
Let's say, today I'm working on kubernetes. I add a tag for k8s, which is a link to the k8s page, where I have all sorts of interesting links and notes dumped. When I'm on the k8s page, I also get a list of pages that link to the k8s page, which helps me to remember some other subject that might be relevant.
It uses the Zettelkasten Method: https://zettelkasten.de/posts/overview/ and you can also get a lot of value from reading "How to Take Smart Notes" by Sönke Ahrens.
The value also comes from it mirroring your thoughts and experiences, as I said, the second brain thing.
(I'm terrible at explaining stuff, sorry :( I hope I didn't bore you to bits)
See my comment reply to Chris2048 below your comment.
It's a wiki like system that helps you to create a second brain of sorts. You write down what you do, and link between lots of different pages, such as "aws" to "ec2" to "vm" to "vmware" to "vmotion". Roam (and org-roam, an Emacs module that I use) shows you what links back to a page, which is incredibly helpful for remembering knowledge and how things fit together.
Seems to me this is like tagging, but instead of making the tags at the end of your thought, you're annotating words within your writing, which become the tags. I grant you that it is more intuitive to do it this way.
Basically all the documents you read can have tags. So you can manage all your documents via whatever tag you want.
You can then read those documents in Polar directly and highlight parts of text that are interesting.
These highlights, notes, comments, and flashcards that you create can also have tags.
We call these annotations. We then have an annotation manager which you can manage by tag so you can pivot everything around the tags you're working with.
This version is pushed to the web version of Polar now and the new desktop version will make it out this weekend.
We're also working on a new Polar 2.0 which will support Android and tablets and have better pen support too so you can work directly in a tablet rather than a desktop/laptop.
We're also working on a dark mode but first need to get 2.0 out the door.
We're getting there.. The backend supports it now. If you send me a list of your requirements (just create a github issue here https://github.com/burtonator/polar-bookshelf/issues) I will look at adding the functionality you need.
We're adding support for DOI lookup and APIs like Arxiv so you could just add a DOI to polar and it will fetch the PDF and keep the metadata.
Will also support export to bibtex too.
Our big focus right now is shipping 2.0 so that we have a more modern platform that can scale us moving forward.
Great to hear! I'm actually a week away from finishing my undergrad thesis (ironically procrastinating on that now), so kinda stuck with Zotero for now. Once that's complete I'll take a good look at polar.
We're thinking of adding an generic sync functionality into Polar so that you could keep external connections to thinks like Anki, Evernote, Roam, etc.
The biggest challenge is deletions though so I'm still trying to work out the ideal sync framework.
Would love to see an option to choose which pdf viewer Polar launches.
Wouldn't mind losing out on some features (for lack of integration) as long as I can use my Evince.
You can sort of do this now but part of the power of Polar comes from using our own tools as they support new annotation features not present in other PDF readers.
yes... I agree. I'm working on this too. The 2.0 UI will be all re-done in React, better mobile support, including transitions. So you will be able to deep link to other annotations by their ID.
Also, going to work on the ability to link them together with a search and auto-complete system so that you can just start typing tags, or the body of the note, and then they can be linked.
Consider adding a link to getpolarized.io on your youtube video descriptions. I opened your video, tabbed away, came back, watched it, got excited, and struggled to find your URL (which I happened to open in another tab from this comment :P)
I'll be giving polarized a look this weekend and compare with zotero!
Does roam support automatic importation of bibliographical info and export to bibtex? That’s the main value of zotero for me. Also latex math embedding notes would be great
What is Roam's financing/business model? So far the beta seems free but investing much time in a tool which then might significantly change is a risk...?
The best application that I ever used for this was docear. Unfortunately it's not being developed anymore and some other things make it a bit painful to use. I'm still waiting for someone to integrate mindmaps with reference management in a better way.
A college professor taught me about Zotero during my last semester. Awesome tool, but I wish I learned about it years before. I try and teach every student I meet about it.
So another great thing about Zotero is that you can share public bibligraphies. I've taken to making a little QR code at the end of my presentations that links to my bibliography (since no one actually reads the bibs on your last 4 slides).
I used Zotero and their Chrome Extension when I was reading research papers. It automatically formatted citations, allowed me to add annotations and also locally saved any PDFs so I can access it quickly. You can also send different types of links such as videos, PDFs articles directly to Zotero.
I started using Zotero a few months ago when a major Firefox update rendered the Scrapbook extension non-functional. It's nice to be able to take quick snapshots from Chrome or Firefox and save them to the local document repository. I found this guide helpful in getting things set up:
For the cloud side, there was a nice tool for linking a Google Drive full of PDFs with entries in your Zotero database, bypassing the cloud storage limits.
The killer feature of zotero is, that it is customizeable with different plugins.
One very neat one is the integration with scihub. So you just paste in the DOI and it automaticly downloads the paper and adds all the metadata.
I use Zotero for my research everyday, and I am a paying subscriber for their storage. I love it, and it is getting better. I recently discovered a new feature: I received a notification that one of the articles I had in my library had been retracted! That is pretty cool! The Word/Libre integration is solid.
When I saw Zotero at the top of HN, I suddenly wondered if they published a new tool. So I'm kind disappointed...but still love any attention they can get.
I had a quick look at Zotero's github but couldn't quite work out how they render their desktop UI - is this an electron-style app or a browser extension of some sort?
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Though Zotero has Zotfile, it’s a hassle to set up tablet sync with an iOS device.
1. Come across paper pdf on the web.
2. Use Zotero firefox plugin to import it into Zotero. Zotero is able get citation data, and automatically exports it to a bib file.
3. Use emacs helm, which reads the bib file, to cite papers in my documents.
I would have really loved to have this workflow during my Phd, but I was doing everything manually back then. My only complaint is this recent silent change in Zotero, where the exported bib file has entries in alphabetical order, rather than in last-added order. With the last-added order, when I popped open emacs helm, the last added paper would be on top. Now I have to search for it.
With all due respect to the excellent work you do (many thanks for that), my workflow does not require any manual work most of the time.
Best feature is the web browser add-on. Can open up a few dozen articles during a literature search and dump all of them into Zotero for reading later.
[1] https://citationstyles.org
> 9500 free CSL citation styles.
Should I ask how it has come to be that there are 9500 citation styles? Or will it make me angry and depressed at the lack of cooperation and widely accepted standards?
Furthermore I think http://www.docear.org/ deserves to be mentioned as another free open-source solution with some interesting mind-mapping functionality: http://www.docear.org/software/screenshots/
Recently they even added a new dark pattern so that when you click the "download PDF" button on their articles it opens up a web app reader loaded with tracking instead of just giving you a PDF. You then have to spend time and click through about three menus to really download the PDF.
It's to the point that I avoid articles published by Elsevier if possible. Easier in my field than others I'm sure.
Too bad they sold out to the dark side. After they were acquired, I switched to Zotero, but I wasn't doing active research anymore by then, so I don't have as much experience of using Zotero. On the surface it looks pretty good though.
At first I preferred the way that Mendeley did this with its built in pdf reader, but now I'm happy Zotero delegates to the pdf software of your choice.
lastly -- how good is their mobile app?
(Disclosure: Zotero developer)
With some plugins (I don't remember exactly) I had a very nice pipeline of "find paper on the interntet" -> Zotero -> automatically updated .bib -> trigger rebuild of Latex document to PDF -> automatic reload in PDF viewer.
The UI is somewhat dated but the functionality is great. Nowadays I would probably choose Citationsy, maybe only because I find the UI more aesthetically pleasing.
1: Tested with English, Dutch, German, and Japanese novels.
I like Zotero precisely because of its UI. It's efficient, and reminds me of the Firefox bookmarks manager.
In fact, I wish I could replace or merge Firefox's bookmark manager with Zotero, so I'd get the best of both worlds.
If I get good enough with Lisp, I want to write an importer that takes all the tags from my bookmarks sqlite db, write them into org-mode files with each tagged bookmark listed in the relevant file.
> We don’t have to promise to keep your data safe — because we don’t collect it in the first place... Citationsy lives in the cloud and is accessible from anywhere... Your data is saved in the cloud and backed up every 10 minutes
> Nothing to install, update, or patch... Use our iPhone and Android apps to cite books on the go with our barcode scanner and add the Chrome or Firefox extensions to cite websites in 2 clicks.
Perhaps I missed the use case where you retain your data, or there's a version you can self host?
To be clear, Citationsy has no tracking and collects as little personal data as possible.
When you cite something we keep your citation data on our servers, of course. You can download all your citation data at any time in various open formats (BibTeX, CSL-JSON, etc).
I think consistency across different sections is a reasonable expectation.
for me the killer feature is that it makes all the PDFs full text searchable so it is like my own personal google where the links never break and the content is all relevant.
Highly recommend!
I have been quick to recommend Qiqqa whenever it seems like it might be a useful tool but I never really saw those comments get much traction - maybe because everyone was already using zotero?
Synced bibtex and pdfs folder in linux and windows with dropbox, worked like a charm.The best part was configuring it based on this blog post (http://griechenzicken.blogspot.com/2011/10/configuring-jabre...) and making pdf links work on both machines. I wrote a blog post about why Jabref, but unfortunately it is in portuguese (https://gtpedrosa.github.io/blog/gerenciador-de-refer%C3%AAn...).
[0] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NfdHG6oHBJ8Qxc26s/the-zettel...
I know Zotero has a lot of other features, but 99% of my workflow with it is what I described above.
It's definitely one of those topics where you could spend a huge amount of energy organizing but not much actually doing :)
Regarding roamresearch.com: How do you find yourself writing/organizing pages? Daily journal with a log of what you did first, then linking out from there?
(don't feel pressured to write a novel in response, I don't want to steal time from your day!)
Once your second brain is searchable, you can quickly find those keywords and the context thanks to Roam bidirectional links. This is one way to approach your notes, when you know what you're looking for.
Another way to approach your notes is by browsing. You can create a page with the structure or outline that you come up with, and then fill them with links to blocks in other notes. In here, you can practice a step of progressive summarization and rephrase your notes.
I'll usually just start putting things into Daily Notes, but if a connected set of notes gets too long, I'll make a separate page and add a [[]] link in the Daily Note.
The journal part of Roam, the page-per-day part, is very useful. You write down what you're doing each day, use tags and links to build up a second brain, so to speak.
Let's say, today I'm working on kubernetes. I add a tag for k8s, which is a link to the k8s page, where I have all sorts of interesting links and notes dumped. When I'm on the k8s page, I also get a list of pages that link to the k8s page, which helps me to remember some other subject that might be relevant.
It uses the Zettelkasten Method: https://zettelkasten.de/posts/overview/ and you can also get a lot of value from reading "How to Take Smart Notes" by Sönke Ahrens.
The value also comes from it mirroring your thoughts and experiences, as I said, the second brain thing.
(I'm terrible at explaining stuff, sorry :( I hope I didn't bore you to bits)
It's a wiki like system that helps you to create a second brain of sorts. You write down what you do, and link between lots of different pages, such as "aws" to "ec2" to "vm" to "vmware" to "vmotion". Roam (and org-roam, an Emacs module that I use) shows you what links back to a page, which is incredibly helpful for remembering knowledge and how things fit together.
Here's a video explaining the new functionality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6jNlairGc
Basically all the documents you read can have tags. So you can manage all your documents via whatever tag you want.
You can then read those documents in Polar directly and highlight parts of text that are interesting.
These highlights, notes, comments, and flashcards that you create can also have tags.
We call these annotations. We then have an annotation manager which you can manage by tag so you can pivot everything around the tags you're working with.
This version is pushed to the web version of Polar now and the new desktop version will make it out this weekend.
We're also working on a new Polar 2.0 which will support Android and tablets and have better pen support too so you can work directly in a tablet rather than a desktop/laptop.
We're also working on a dark mode but first need to get 2.0 out the door.
We're adding support for DOI lookup and APIs like Arxiv so you could just add a DOI to polar and it will fetch the PDF and keep the metadata.
Will also support export to bibtex too.
Our big focus right now is shipping 2.0 so that we have a more modern platform that can scale us moving forward.
I love the idea of Polar for document management, and Roam for knowledge management, so I'd love to find a way to use both
The biggest challenge is deletions though so I'm still trying to work out the ideal sync framework.
Also, while I can see tags being useful, I don't think it'll really be Zettelkasten-like until you can link from one annotation to another.
Also, going to work on the ability to link them together with a search and auto-complete system so that you can just start typing tags, or the body of the note, and then they can be linked.
I'll be giving polarized a look this weekend and compare with zotero!
Here's an example from a talk I gave on Variational Autoencoders: https://www.zotero.org/groups/2350257/jszym_presentations/co...
I'd highly recommend it!
https://daily.jstor.org/how-to-use-zotero-and-scrivener-for-...
https://github.com/mtekman/ZoteroGoogleDrive-PDFLinker-Cloud
I did a few updates recently, but I welcome any additions/PRs anyone wants to send.
When I saw Zotero at the top of HN, I suddenly wondered if they published a new tool. So I'm kind disappointed...but still love any attention they can get.
A little bit from 2008: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=319975
Related from last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18977461
(Links are for the curious. Reposts are fine after a year: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html)
I believe there is a browser extension too, but the main program is (was) a non-electron stand-alone deal.