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"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
we have always been at war with Eastasia
Just replace Eastasia with Centralasia and it feels about right by now.
“ The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.“

- George Orwell, 1984

There are four lights.
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Wow, what's most striking to me is the paragraph's writing has gone from simple and well written to something a middle-school student would produce:

", as well" -- unnecessary

"stop-gap buffer" -- redundant

"immediate supply...immediately available" -- redundant. If you really want to use "immediate" twice in a sentence for some unknown reason, use a synonym.

These three things are objectively bad writing, and this is coming from an engineer that isn't exactly Shakespeare.

The messy debris of a mind fighting itself.
Maybe Trump wrote it himself.
I’d be really interested in who the stockpile is meant for if it’s not for people living in states.
I imagine they might say it is for helping other nations. The reality is it probably really is for the states. The conspiracy theory is probably that it is for the 1% and for those in power.
> I imagine they might say it is for helping other nations.

Given that the administration is halting exports of masks to Canada and Latin America from 3M, I somehow doubt that the reserves are for helping other nations.

But haven't the reserves been built up over many decades? The reasoning behind the reserve probably long predates the current administration.
There's some truth to the idea that the Feds do need some reserved for things like embassies, warships, FEMA, etc.

The current meme going around local news Facebook comments seems to be that the Feds are just a backup with no direct responsibilities for disaster management, though, and that it's all on the states for being unprepared. Which, well, is bullshit.

Is it? I'm honestly asking. As an American, I understand there's a division of responsibility between the federal state governments for disaster preparedness, but I don't know exactly what that agreement entails (or even if it's clearly written down somewhere). Without a clear understanding of who's responsible for what, it seems easy to point fingers depending on political preference.

If anyone has more knowledge and is willing to share, I'd appreciate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_A...

"The agency's primary purpose is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities."

Yes, I agree that the feds should step in at this point (and should have done so long ago). What I'm curious about is the responsibility each state has to, for example, maintain their own stockpile of PPE. What are the resources that have been overwhelmed (and does it vary by state)?
States absolutely have stockpiles, but more for the "there was an earthquake/hurricane/bombing" sort of scenarios where there'd be mutual aid from other states after a few days/weeks and you could readily rebuild the stockpiles in a few weeks by placing some orders with 3M etc.

I don't think any state is going to wind up having had a stockpile sufficient for this sort of prolonged, world-affecting disaster.

The fed govt can print and borrow money at will, which states cannot and which is crucial in large scale disasters like this.
The federal government can comandeer private businesses to produce whatever it wants.

I don’t think states can do this

I don't think the states would _want_ to do this. Gov control of business closer to the local level means you're closer to your constituents.
The entire press conference was stating that the federal stockpile is not a grocery store, but is to be mobile based upon where the federal government feels it is needed, and no state has the right to demand and send a shopping list.
That's of course a completely sensible stance, but what's the current standing protocol, or it's just what Trump feels at the moment?
So many people blame Trump, when in reality there are 10's of thousands of goverment workers that work tirelessly every day and go unnoticed (good and bad). In regard's to my initial comment, here is a great example of Washington state receiving ventilators from the stock pile, and then sending them back for use elsewhere:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/washington-returns-hundreds-of...

FEMA, CDC, or National Guard? I honestly don't have an answer to that, but I would highly doubt Trump is putting them in a golf cart and driving them around...LOL
It's pointless partisan "gotcha" posturing from the press and nothing more. Anyone with half a brain understood Kushner perfectly well: this is the emergency stockpile to prevent hoarding "for the future" by states. Resources are delivered to individual states at a short notice after they tally up how much of the already allocated resources they are already using, to make sure e.g. thousands of ventilators don't sit in some NJ warehouse for days while at the same time CNN is telling everyone there aren't enough of them.
CNN isn't telling people there aren't enough of them. The governor of New York is telling people there aren't enough of them.
It's a lie by omission. The governor of New York has acknowledged several times that they have enough now, but anticipate running out at some point in the future. The gap between what he anticipated from the models last week and the hospitalizations on the ground is ~3x right now. Which is something CNN won't explicitly tell you, but you can easily see it from multiple public sources.
I really don’t see the overarching issue here. This is the “United States”. States govern themselves and have their own stock piles. The government stockpile isn’t a Walmart for each state to go shopping at. While it’s the federal governments job to assist in crisis, the reality is that many states (primarily NY) haven’t properly maintained their own stockpiles and are now wanting to point fingers at someone else. It’s political BS at a time when we need it the least, and the media is just exasperating the situation for the sake of entertainment and fear. ...sad, very sad.
You’re right. It’s clearly for all those Americans who are not in states.

So it’s for DC right? And Puerto Rico?

So we have a federal stockpile for DC and Puerto Rico.

You obviously read it wrong or didn’t read my comment at all. The press conference clearly stated that the federal stockpile is meant to be mobile and distributed based on where federal agencies feel its needed. This really isn’t an argument of federal vs people, it’s more about an argument with NY state vs federal.
NY is getting hit really hard right now. What's the prioritization here?
Is there an argument that either NY should have had 40k ventilators on hand, or that they aren't in urgent need? This seems like literally the #1 option for deploying these right now to NY state.

Your argument sounds like "states should prepare, but when they are unable to because of the scale, and have an urgent need, that is the only time when the federal stockpile should be utilized". Given that NY can't procure more because every state and the feds are bidding against them... isn't that why the federal stockpile exists?

> it’s more about an argument with NY state vs federal.

For now. Give it 3 days, a week at most.

I'm not sure where it can possibly be more needed than in NYC at this point. Or do blue states not count?
It's so interesting that people turn this into a political battle just for the sake of turning it into a political battle. From what I read and understand, the stockpile has less than 10k ventilators at the beginning. Food for thought: anyone trying to make stupid red vs blue state comments, Obbama was in administration during the last outbreak in 2007. The federal stock pile WAS NOT upgraded or expanded. The last expansion was in 2001 due to 9/11.

This article is a great example of federal stock pile ventilators being moved around the country: https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/washington-returns-hundreds-of...

Why'd they have to go change the wording on the site, then?
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There is no answer to that because the followers know exactly what's actually going on and are just trying to suppress the information using the same techniques as their leader.

It's why screams of censorship don't apply to suppressing this topic and why, when a news paper prints even a tiny a retraction, it's called evidence of fake news. But a stealth edit on a government site is perfectly acceptable.

Instead I would ask a meta-question: why would a leader's followers behave any differently than him?

Worse, in medical equipment purchases, the Federal Government is spitefully outbidding Governors whose names are followed by a little letter they don't like.

https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-med...

The residents of Kentucky, as a voting bloc, have voted for the republican presidential candidate for at least a generation (and probably longer than that). I understand the governor is a democrat, but it seems like a more simple explanation exists rather than Trump's administration intentionally harming a solidly-red electorate out of spite for their governor.

A more simple explanation may be that Trump's administration, and therefore the federal government, has been flat-footed almost every step of the way (if you need a source on that, check the "front page" of every major, left or right-leaning news service in the US) and is now doing everything in their power to address their shortcomings which includes getting their hands on as much PPE, medical devices, etc. as possible.

It does further speak to their inability to rise to the moment by not better-coordinating their purchases with the needs of the states. The administration deserves massive blame here for their initial and likely ongoing response to this and should be held accountable, but let's hold them accountable where the facts are nearly-indisputable (there are plenty of those facts to go around).

Can someone explain why this is HN-worthy? I don't get it.

- startup-related: no

- involves hacking: no

- of general technical interest: no

HN is (usually) a refuge from the otherwise saturated world of political mud slinging.

HOLY SHIT WE GOT HIM NOW!!!!!!!! THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!! HE'S A CROOK!!!!!

Gotta love Ars Technica, the tech web site. Oh, and Hacker News. Big story here!

I wonder how long it will take for this thread to be buried by people as eager to cover for the regime's ineptitude as Kushner is.