Is this a legitimate news site... or is it one of those "Bill Gates spread coronavirus to kill people, the evidence is he said we should reduce population growth rate and we interpreted it as him saying he wants to reduce the population" sites?
The fact that segments are repeated makes me think it's not a reputable site (in case they manage to fix it, screenshot as of the moment: https://i.imgur.com/M2Glm84.png). Also the poster's username on here is very similar to the site name...
'FBI Deputy Assistant Director Tonya Ugoretz told participants in an online panel discussion hosted by the Aspen Institute that the bureau had recently seen state-backed hackers poking around a series of healthcare and research institutions.
'“We certainly have seen reconnaissance activity, and some intrusions, into some of those institutions, especially those that have publicly identified themselves as working on COVID-related research,” she said.'
It's far from what sciencetechniz.com article claims, and I've quoted the actual words of the person, as quoted in the article, not the interpretations.
But the context for your original reply and also my own reply were to the Reuters article. Also, everything in the opening sentence gloss is literally word for word supported by the very next line, which is a direct quote of the Reuters article which itself is a direct quote from the speaker from the FBI at the conference.
Not to be pedantic, but I honestly don’t know what you are getting at.
"Medical research organizations and those who work for them should be vigilant against threat actors seeking to steal >>>>>intellectual property<<<<< or other sensitive data related to America’s response to the COVID19 pandemic,” said Bill Evanina, Director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center. “Now is the time to protect the critical research you’re conducting.”
We're STILL talking about IP, patents, secrecy, and profit, on the pandemic, during the pandemic, with the government encouraging people to Not Share Information and Keep It As Secret as possible.
The disease is highly contagious and delays can mean millions of deaths and trillions in lost business, double digit unemployment, riots and civil wars, he knows this, right?
That's more important then $.65 versus $.59 EPS during a quarterly earnings call.
These people are so clueless, like some dopey out of touch aristocracy right before they collapse.
Well there is still the cold war with china and each side already blaming the other who is responsible, so the winner is the one, who can report success on a vaccine or treatment first.
It is still a global power struggle, who cares for human lives in that game?
It's one sided. One side has 800 military bases in 70 countries and routinely threatens to invade countries, and just did a coup in Latin America last November and the other is where all their factories are.
So no, don't buy it. It's the global thug being thuggish
Yeah, but the other side would like to have that much bases, too. And is increasing influence wherever they can. (big in africa and increasingly in south america, too). Also there are still some other sides, who probably join forces, if the US pushes too much.
Not every culture values brash thuggish belligerency as a social good.
Most counties are trying to work collaboratively and collectively on these things. US is the wacky outlier and they think everyone is like them.
We're talking about a country too arrogant to adopt the metric system, meters are just too much for them. The optics of possibly using international standards is too high of a political cost because then they'd use the same thing as everyone else. The Horror! America is like an executive who insists on having their own private elevator.
Basic things remain completely unadopted because that would look too much like collaboration. There's clearly an insane actor here, like some pearl clutching out of touch aristocracy riding around in town thinking the peasants love us as we argue how generous we should be wording a letter of forgiveness for wanting a revolution.
Sorry, I don't value your response with brash thuggish belligerency as a social good. I think it's actually destructive and creates a hostile dysfunctional unhappy society of depressed people who turn to pain medicine and isolation because they can no longer turn to their neighbor.
I'm fine. The systemic consequences of the cultural norms we choose are very real. We do it all the time without noticing and it's really unhealthy for us and others.
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It just makes things even worse.
We've had to ask you about this many times in the past. If you'd make a point of reviewing the site guidelines and not backsliding like this, we'd be grateful.
Not so much a complaint, childish or otherwise, but a genuine question about your moderation policy. The topic of this story is not the metric system, or whether or not certain stereotypes are OK to propagate. On what planet is this (below) less offensive than what I posted, basically just poking gentle fun back at him?
We're talking about a country too arrogant to adopt the metric system, meters are just too much for them. The optics of possibly using international standards is too high of a political cost because then they'd use the same thing as everyone else. The Horror! America is like an executive who insists on having their own private elevator.
I think my own comment history speaks for itself as being representative of someone who doesn't start flame wars, or whose posts otherwise make HN a worse place in general. Yet I'm often the participant whom you go out of your way to call out.
I enjoy taking what amounts to troll bait at face value, responding in kind while still attempting to add something to the conversation, and seeing where the conversation goes from there. If you have a problem with that, your problem is actually with the original trollbait or flamebait, not with me. I'm not usually the bad guy in these threads. Certainly not in this one.
Even if I hadn't though, it's your responsibility to follow the rules regardless of what others do. "But he started it!" is what I just referred to as a childish complaint. A less childish response would be to take responsibility for what one did, fix it going forward, and not plead other people's bad behavior as an excuse for your own. If we've been very unjust, other users will point it out.
We do our level best to be evenhanded, but we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted, so you're never going to get perfect consistency from moderation here.
It always feels like the mods are harder on you than others, but that's an illusion. I'm not going out of my way to call you out; I barely recognize your username. My brain has been sandblasted into statelessness after years of doing this. If you've gotten repeated admonishments, it's because you've repeatedly broken the rules. The solution is to stop doing that, and also to stop posting bickering meta-comments, which just add noise and are of interest to no one else. If you need to express yourself about that, you're welcome to do so at hn@ycombinator.com.
> I enjoy taking what amounts to troll bait at face value, responding in kind while still attempting to add something to the conversation, and seeing where the conversation goes from there. If you have a problem with that, your problem is actually with the original trollbait or flamebait, not with me. I'm not usually the bad guy in these threads.
What you're describing is feeding trolls, which the HN guidelines (using nicer language) explicitly ask you not to do. It turns small flamewars into large ones, and the fault is with both parties. You're underestimating how much damage this does.
We all have a strong cognitive bias toward seeing the other person as "the bad guy" and ourselves as pure, or at least not-as-bad-as-him, which can be used to justify anything. Meanwhile the other guy has just the opposite view. That's how we get tedious spats. Please don't do this on HN any more.
Fair enough -- no, I didn't see your earlier comment to the other user. Apologies.
The thing about "feeding trolls" is, troll bait is often in the eye of the beholder. I don't believe he was deliberately "trolling" in the sense of posting deliberately-inflammatory material to provoke an irrational response or lower the level of discourse. Rather, I don't doubt for a moment that he holds precisely his stated beliefs about Americans as a group, and posted them because he felt that this was a welcoming environment for such sentiments. My post wasn't an attempt to feed a troll, so much as it was a way of arguing that no, this isn't the anti-American echo chamber he thinks it is.
I agree that both our posts would have been best kept out of the thread. Thanks for your feedback in that direction (and believe me, I do recognize and respect the hard work you put in here.)
If the US is so bad at everything, then why did they become power number 1? Just by military force? Well, even if you think so, military requires collaboration, too.
I mean, you could write big books about things, they do bad, no doubt (and people do). But ... I could write books about what goes wrong here in germany as well. And as for china: well, they are about to implement a social karma system, because in the great socialist country, corruption(aka selfishness) is very, very common. And for some mysterious reasons, also the leaders of the party have all become very rich. So I am curious, if they will implement the karma system (which says, whether you get a job, university, tax deduction ...) for themself in an equal manner.
It's a "for security purposes" way of describing something.
What's sensitive about it? Does it show ineptitude? Negligence? Crime? Does it protect monopolistic power that's working against the public interest? Is it just SSN numbers? I dunno, we don't know.
This is the time for an open society, not to hide behind security theater.
Classic "you first" deflection propaganda bullshit to change the conversation by scapegoating "shifty" foreigners and then raising conspiracy theories.
No, not here, not now, conversation is over. Take your nonsense framing trickery elsewhere. I do not care. Bye.
It's so sad and frustrating that I wonder this every time I see a site with a fairly generic WP/Drupal/Whatever CMS theme and not a lot of background on the organization running it. But that's the reality of where the internet is today I guess.
I see it on news sites all the time, so much so that I am starting to think it's done on purpose, but I can't imagine it does good things for SEO, there must be a penalty for repeat content (I would think)?
Right. Once a state has established a secretive organization to do nefarious things that org will keep doing, until it is disbanded and surprisingly often even after. They'll keep doing without too much thought about whether it makes sense on a political level, because those decisions are explicitly not their responsibility. In a closely related field it's not the army's job to decide whom to attack, it their job to be ready. The same applies to secretive orgs, they are just more difficult to control. Without decisive political effort to stop them when collaboration is preferred, intelligence people will keep gathering intelligence, propaganda people will keep invening lies, thought police will keep cracking down on communications (see the silencing of Dr Li Wenliang that was quickly rolled back once the topic escalated to people with decisionmaking in their job description) and offensive hackers will keep poking at servers. That's just how it is. It's not good at all, it's terrible, but it doesn't suddenly get worse than usual when it hits Covid-19 research. Surely the NSA wouldn't erase intercepted communications upon realizing that is about Covid-19, right?
What if researchers in one country develop 99/100 steps of a vaccine, but are not aware that they are one step away. Foreign government has access to all that research (because it’s free) and knows how to complete the one step and does so. They treat their people and either withhold or delay or complicate the proceeds of giving to rest of the world.
Would a coalition of nations be capable of enforcing that? Seems like text-only, high latency internet could be easily smuggled via satellite or terrestrial radio.
Seems highly unlikely because there’d need to be global unanimity, right? Geopolitically, I don’t see a possible scenario for the West to convince everyone to kick someone off of the internet.
Say we wanted to cut off access to North Korea. The Chinese would never agree to that. We can’t even get that country to stop nuclear weapons tests, and that arguably has larger potential ramifications if they develop a legit ICBM.
I think it's time to create a Great Firewall for the rest of the World
And while I agree that information related to covid-19 should be freely accessible, in this case we cannot assume that information was merely read and not modified due to whatever nefarious reasons the intruders may have.
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 113 ms ] threadThe fact that segments are repeated makes me think it's not a reputable site (in case they manage to fix it, screenshot as of the moment: https://i.imgur.com/M2Glm84.png). Also the poster's username on here is very similar to the site name...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cyber-...
'FBI Deputy Assistant Director Tonya Ugoretz told participants in an online panel discussion hosted by the Aspen Institute that the bureau had recently seen state-backed hackers poking around a series of healthcare and research institutions.
'“We certainly have seen reconnaissance activity, and some intrusions, into some of those institutions, especially those that have publicly identified themselves as working on COVID-related research,” she said.'
from the referenced report at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cyber/...
Not to be pedantic, but I honestly don’t know what you are getting at.
"Medical research organizations and those who work for them should be vigilant against threat actors seeking to steal >>>>>intellectual property<<<<< or other sensitive data related to America’s response to the COVID19 pandemic,” said Bill Evanina, Director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center. “Now is the time to protect the critical research you’re conducting.”
We're STILL talking about IP, patents, secrecy, and profit, on the pandemic, during the pandemic, with the government encouraging people to Not Share Information and Keep It As Secret as possible.
The disease is highly contagious and delays can mean millions of deaths and trillions in lost business, double digit unemployment, riots and civil wars, he knows this, right?
That's more important then $.65 versus $.59 EPS during a quarterly earnings call.
These people are so clueless, like some dopey out of touch aristocracy right before they collapse.
It is still a global power struggle, who cares for human lives in that game?
So no, don't buy it. It's the global thug being thuggish
Most counties are trying to work collaboratively and collectively on these things. US is the wacky outlier and they think everyone is like them.
We're talking about a country too arrogant to adopt the metric system, meters are just too much for them. The optics of possibly using international standards is too high of a political cost because then they'd use the same thing as everyone else. The Horror! America is like an executive who insists on having their own private elevator.
Basic things remain completely unadopted because that would look too much like collaboration. There's clearly an insane actor here, like some pearl clutching out of touch aristocracy riding around in town thinking the peasants love us as we argue how generous we should be wording a letter of forgiveness for wanting a revolution.
Sorry, can't hear you from all the way up here on the moon.
I'm fine. The systemic consequences of the cultural norms we choose are very real. We do it all the time without noticing and it's really unhealthy for us and others.
We've had to ask you about this many times in the past. If you'd make a point of reviewing the site guidelines and not backsliding like this, we'd be grateful.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
We're talking about a country too arrogant to adopt the metric system, meters are just too much for them. The optics of possibly using international standards is too high of a political cost because then they'd use the same thing as everyone else. The Horror! America is like an executive who insists on having their own private elevator.
I think my own comment history speaks for itself as being representative of someone who doesn't start flame wars, or whose posts otherwise make HN a worse place in general. Yet I'm often the participant whom you go out of your way to call out.
I enjoy taking what amounts to troll bait at face value, responding in kind while still attempting to add something to the conversation, and seeing where the conversation goes from there. If you have a problem with that, your problem is actually with the original trollbait or flamebait, not with me. I'm not usually the bad guy in these threads. Certainly not in this one.
Even if I hadn't though, it's your responsibility to follow the rules regardless of what others do. "But he started it!" is what I just referred to as a childish complaint. A less childish response would be to take responsibility for what one did, fix it going forward, and not plead other people's bad behavior as an excuse for your own. If we've been very unjust, other users will point it out.
We do our level best to be evenhanded, but we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted, so you're never going to get perfect consistency from moderation here.
It always feels like the mods are harder on you than others, but that's an illusion. I'm not going out of my way to call you out; I barely recognize your username. My brain has been sandblasted into statelessness after years of doing this. If you've gotten repeated admonishments, it's because you've repeatedly broken the rules. The solution is to stop doing that, and also to stop posting bickering meta-comments, which just add noise and are of interest to no one else. If you need to express yourself about that, you're welcome to do so at hn@ycombinator.com.
> I enjoy taking what amounts to troll bait at face value, responding in kind while still attempting to add something to the conversation, and seeing where the conversation goes from there. If you have a problem with that, your problem is actually with the original trollbait or flamebait, not with me. I'm not usually the bad guy in these threads.
What you're describing is feeding trolls, which the HN guidelines (using nicer language) explicitly ask you not to do. It turns small flamewars into large ones, and the fault is with both parties. You're underestimating how much damage this does.
We all have a strong cognitive bias toward seeing the other person as "the bad guy" and ourselves as pure, or at least not-as-bad-as-him, which can be used to justify anything. Meanwhile the other guy has just the opposite view. That's how we get tedious spats. Please don't do this on HN any more.
The thing about "feeding trolls" is, troll bait is often in the eye of the beholder. I don't believe he was deliberately "trolling" in the sense of posting deliberately-inflammatory material to provoke an irrational response or lower the level of discourse. Rather, I don't doubt for a moment that he holds precisely his stated beliefs about Americans as a group, and posted them because he felt that this was a welcoming environment for such sentiments. My post wasn't an attempt to feed a troll, so much as it was a way of arguing that no, this isn't the anti-American echo chamber he thinks it is.
I agree that both our posts would have been best kept out of the thread. Thanks for your feedback in that direction (and believe me, I do recognize and respect the hard work you put in here.)
I mean, you could write big books about things, they do bad, no doubt (and people do). But ... I could write books about what goes wrong here in germany as well. And as for china: well, they are about to implement a social karma system, because in the great socialist country, corruption(aka selfishness) is very, very common. And for some mysterious reasons, also the leaders of the party have all become very rich. So I am curious, if they will implement the karma system (which says, whether you get a job, university, tax deduction ...) for themself in an equal manner.
Why didn't you highlight that?
Also, not all IP is for profit.
A lot of non-profits also have IP.
What's sensitive about it? Does it show ineptitude? Negligence? Crime? Does it protect monopolistic power that's working against the public interest? Is it just SSN numbers? I dunno, we don't know.
This is the time for an open society, not to hide behind security theater.
No, not here, not now, conversation is over. Take your nonsense framing trickery elsewhere. I do not care. Bye.
It helps nothing, regardless of how right you are or feel, and how wrong others are or you feel they are. It just makes this place even worse.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I see it on news sites all the time, so much so that I am starting to think it's done on purpose, but I can't imagine it does good things for SEO, there must be a penalty for repeat content (I would think)?
Maybe it's just sloppy copy/pasting...
This would mean an attempt to stop or delay development of treatments and vaccines. That's evil.
These seem like dangerous ransomware attacks from the very little information provided.
Say we wanted to cut off access to North Korea. The Chinese would never agree to that. We can’t even get that country to stop nuclear weapons tests, and that arguably has larger potential ramifications if they develop a legit ICBM.
And while I agree that information related to covid-19 should be freely accessible, in this case we cannot assume that information was merely read and not modified due to whatever nefarious reasons the intruders may have.
Use security in depth, and zero trust networks, not just perimeter defense.