this and his other positions are so inane that they aren't even worth arguing against anymore. trump is a domestic terrorist, pure and simple, and he is completely despicable. i have been downvoted on hacker news for stating the u.s. is an authoritarian state, and here he and his sycophants continue, completely unchecked by anyone, in this direction. a standing president is using a public health crisis to broadly increase unchecked power in order to secure his re-election. i would not be surprised if his next actions start trying to get rid of the election altogether. all of these actions are disconnecting families, ruining careers and lives, and are also killing people, both immigrants and citizens. trump is throwing the united states under the bus to serve his ego. if this isn't treason, then i don't know what is. everything that has been fought for (woman's rights, minority rights, immigrant rights, checks and balances, openness, etc.) is being completely eroded by the greatest narcissist and sycophantic following the world has ever seen.
i, a u.s. citizen, am at the point where i have no choice but to start considering moving out of the u.s. to rejoin my family. it's at the point that it may be years, if ever, before they're ever allowed to come back to the u.s. and it's likely at least a year before i ever see them again.
Just to clarify, my comment was mostly independent of whether trump deserves or not that opinion. I am not a US citizen and my country had it own complex story with weird politicians. I have no intention to invalidate your criticism.
My comment was specifically a criticism of the media (if you want to know in which direction my bias is, I can tell you that I often listen to Tim Pool; even if in the last year he got worse in my opinion).
Bringing example is hard, as they will never be comprehensive, but for example the different attention received by Kavanaugh's and Biden's accusers is telling, or how Biden's twitter account published a doctored video of Trump calling COVID-19 an hoax (a whole minute was removed before "this is their new hoax") and twitter did nothing, but then removed the same concept from Trump campaign.
I am not trying to start a flame war, nor I am trying to promote any side, but my heartfelt opinion I can give you is that if you dislike Trump then it might be appropriate to consider the media not as an ally, as their (maybe justifiable, but still undeniable) bias is just giving Trump
an inexhaustible source of ammo.
To reiterate I do not have any particular opinion on Trump himself (I honestly do no care too much about him), but I am appalled at the low quality job of the media in this regard.
If Trump is as bad as you make him to be then even more this is a failing of journalism.
How is this policy anymore insane than the stay at home orders in many states? Are the "rights" of immigrants more important than the rights of the people that are already citizens?
this has nothing to do with stat at home orders. literally nothing. and the fact that you quoted rights for immigrants tells me a lot about your already existing position. immigrants have rights. they don't have the same full rights as u.s. citizens, but they do have rights and they aren't any less real. furthermore, they are humans.
let me explain to you why this move is essentially continuing an already existing war against immigrants. back in january, the u.s. implemented a travel ban against china, and they also slipped in multiple other african and middle eastern countries as well, all in the name of the virus. and they used the china travel ban as a convenient distraction to add in other countries that had nothing to do with the viral outbreak. at the same time, visitors and u.s. citizens before the ban and u.s. citizens after the ban were allowed to travel freely from china without any tracking or testing whatsoever. this is a problem because it isn't like a u.s. citizen is magically not able to contract the virus. additionally, and this is something the u.s. government did silently and was not reported heavily, the u.s. canceled all visa processing, including those that were already in progress. so immigration for chinese and certain other countries has been banned silently for three months now. not only that, the u.s. withheld passports from immigrants, further preventing travel for those immigrants, even outside of the u.s. let me make that point very clear: the u.s. consulates and embassies withheld foreign (that is non-u.s.) passports for at least a month from immigrants, which prevented these people from traveling from countries outside the u.s. to other countries outside the u.s. that is war against immigrants, and it prevented travel that the u.s. has no control over (other than needlessly keeping people's passports), which is a violation of rights. still furthermore, the u.s. has conditions of the travel ban that allow certain people through via a waiver process. the u.s. has been getting waiver requests and just sitting on them, not processing them at all. this means that again the u.s. was lying and was further silently preventing immigration, immigration that was allowed by their own rules! the u.s. government has been sued for this and lost on a case by case basis for not due processing the waiver requests. this is for many countries and not just china.
so in effect, the u.s. has had immigration bans for months against many countries, and these bans were silent in that they weren't part of any public executive order but rather bans by effect (they simply turned off processing internally). the fact that only now trump is executing a ban against immigration is telling. it means that trump knows he has already effectively banned immigration under the hood for many countries and by doing the full on ban now, now that millions of americans are out of jobs (which was expected by the government), he is abusing the sentiment that americans are out of jobs so he's going to cancel immigration to supposedly help out americans. meanwhile, immigration has already been silently banned and this is just trying to gain favor from upset, jobless americans and the rest of his constituency in order to be re-elected. this is a continual pattern in that trump has manipulated the response of the u.s. government to the viral outbreak in order to ensure his re-election. secondly, it is a continuation of the republican's war on immigrants and allows him and the republicans to get rid of immigration issues that they weren't able to do silently, all in the name of helping americans.
this move has nothing to do with stay at home orders. immigrants have to abide by them as well, if they are here currently. it has nothing to do with helping americans and only serves to be viewed as helping americans, particularly those that would vote for trump. keeping immigrants away from their jobs will not help americans without jobs. it only hurts the u.s.' world...
Restricting immigration may not logically follow the pandemic crisis and associated lockdown but it does track with similar decisions by China, Taiwan, Australia, France and Germany to name a few, and there are many others.
Certainly, it seems difficult to separate the administration's perceived proclivities from good decision making but if one argues that the lockdown, in present form, should continue, I'm not sure I see malice as obvious.
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 42.9 ms ] threadTo be honest, the only thing that surprises me is that he hadn’t done this already.
i, a u.s. citizen, am at the point where i have no choice but to start considering moving out of the u.s. to rejoin my family. it's at the point that it may be years, if ever, before they're ever allowed to come back to the u.s. and it's likely at least a year before i ever see them again.
i will concede that the media and his enemies have exacerbated his and the administration's behavior, but they are not the cause.
there is plenty of treasonous behavior that he does out in the open that does not require any so-called conspiracy theories.
This is an heavy statement...
Just to clarify, my comment was mostly independent of whether trump deserves or not that opinion. I am not a US citizen and my country had it own complex story with weird politicians. I have no intention to invalidate your criticism.
My comment was specifically a criticism of the media (if you want to know in which direction my bias is, I can tell you that I often listen to Tim Pool; even if in the last year he got worse in my opinion).
Bringing example is hard, as they will never be comprehensive, but for example the different attention received by Kavanaugh's and Biden's accusers is telling, or how Biden's twitter account published a doctored video of Trump calling COVID-19 an hoax (a whole minute was removed before "this is their new hoax") and twitter did nothing, but then removed the same concept from Trump campaign.
I am not trying to start a flame war, nor I am trying to promote any side, but my heartfelt opinion I can give you is that if you dislike Trump then it might be appropriate to consider the media not as an ally, as their (maybe justifiable, but still undeniable) bias is just giving Trump an inexhaustible source of ammo.
To reiterate I do not have any particular opinion on Trump himself (I honestly do no care too much about him), but I am appalled at the low quality job of the media in this regard.
If Trump is as bad as you make him to be then even more this is a failing of journalism.
So, never?
B>A does not imply A=0
let me explain to you why this move is essentially continuing an already existing war against immigrants. back in january, the u.s. implemented a travel ban against china, and they also slipped in multiple other african and middle eastern countries as well, all in the name of the virus. and they used the china travel ban as a convenient distraction to add in other countries that had nothing to do with the viral outbreak. at the same time, visitors and u.s. citizens before the ban and u.s. citizens after the ban were allowed to travel freely from china without any tracking or testing whatsoever. this is a problem because it isn't like a u.s. citizen is magically not able to contract the virus. additionally, and this is something the u.s. government did silently and was not reported heavily, the u.s. canceled all visa processing, including those that were already in progress. so immigration for chinese and certain other countries has been banned silently for three months now. not only that, the u.s. withheld passports from immigrants, further preventing travel for those immigrants, even outside of the u.s. let me make that point very clear: the u.s. consulates and embassies withheld foreign (that is non-u.s.) passports for at least a month from immigrants, which prevented these people from traveling from countries outside the u.s. to other countries outside the u.s. that is war against immigrants, and it prevented travel that the u.s. has no control over (other than needlessly keeping people's passports), which is a violation of rights. still furthermore, the u.s. has conditions of the travel ban that allow certain people through via a waiver process. the u.s. has been getting waiver requests and just sitting on them, not processing them at all. this means that again the u.s. was lying and was further silently preventing immigration, immigration that was allowed by their own rules! the u.s. government has been sued for this and lost on a case by case basis for not due processing the waiver requests. this is for many countries and not just china.
so in effect, the u.s. has had immigration bans for months against many countries, and these bans were silent in that they weren't part of any public executive order but rather bans by effect (they simply turned off processing internally). the fact that only now trump is executing a ban against immigration is telling. it means that trump knows he has already effectively banned immigration under the hood for many countries and by doing the full on ban now, now that millions of americans are out of jobs (which was expected by the government), he is abusing the sentiment that americans are out of jobs so he's going to cancel immigration to supposedly help out americans. meanwhile, immigration has already been silently banned and this is just trying to gain favor from upset, jobless americans and the rest of his constituency in order to be re-elected. this is a continual pattern in that trump has manipulated the response of the u.s. government to the viral outbreak in order to ensure his re-election. secondly, it is a continuation of the republican's war on immigrants and allows him and the republicans to get rid of immigration issues that they weren't able to do silently, all in the name of helping americans.
this move has nothing to do with stay at home orders. immigrants have to abide by them as well, if they are here currently. it has nothing to do with helping americans and only serves to be viewed as helping americans, particularly those that would vote for trump. keeping immigrants away from their jobs will not help americans without jobs. it only hurts the u.s.' world...
Certainly, it seems difficult to separate the administration's perceived proclivities from good decision making but if one argues that the lockdown, in present form, should continue, I'm not sure I see malice as obvious.