Ask HN: Now we're staying inside with Wi-Fi, have you changed your cell plan?

43 points by behnamoh ↗ HN
Some MVNOs are offering plans as low as $6/mo. The only reason I'm keeping my cell is to make calls. Now I think by switching to a cheaper plan, I can save at least $30/mo. Have you done this? If it's not too much to ask, can you say which plans work better for calls?

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Thought of this today. I pay a huge bill. Time to downgrade.
I am on T-Mobile and Magenta plan at $70/mo. Honestly I don't even think there is a cheaper plan.
that is a really good deal from T-Mobile.. I wouldn't switch if I were in your shoes...
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Not sure how easy it is to switch from postpaid to prepaid plans, but there's T-Mobile Connect[1]. Unlimited talk and text, plus 2GB of data for $15/month.

[1] https://prepaid.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans/connect

Yes, this deserves an upvote so more people are aware and not spending unnecessary $/mo. I posted about it separately in this story.
That's actually a great deal for most people, and I'm really glad to see them finally matching their better MVNO prices.

However, it's worth noting that at least from what I can tell it doesn't include Canada/Mexico coverage, as well as the limited free data in most other countries, that most of their other plans include. That has often proved beneficial to my family (who travels internationally with some regularity), especially as buying a SIM card in most countries is increasingly difficult.

I'm looking at the prepaid 10GB for $40 a month, that is a savings of $30 a month from my Magenta plan.

EDIT: Then I looked at my data usage and I averaged 13 GB of data the last 3 months each month, looks like I should just stay with Magenta.

Yes. I dropped from unlimited family plan to 4Gb/mo across three devices. It saved a good bit. It’s nice that it’s easy to switch plans these days.
I cut down on my cell phone plan a long time ago. I used to pay about $70 a month, then I went to the AT&T prepaid service. It's $35/month ($30 if you do recurring billing) and you get unlimited calls and texts, and 2 GB of data per month, which is more than enough for me. Tethering also works great. I've also heard a lot of people like ting, but then you're paying by the minute, although the base price is much cheaper.

(I also got a really great deal on an iPhone SE for signing up for $149. 6 months you have to keep the plan and then you can unlock the phone. If you're looking to upgrade your phone, try to swing that too!)

You should look at their plans next time you top up because I have the 2gb data plan unlimited calls and texts and it's $15 a month for me with a promo. No auto pay needed.

I used to use the unlimited data $65 a month plan then I downgraded since being quarentined

Do you have a link for this iphone se deal you're describing?
No, but I have given my microwave a tin foil hat.

If the wife makes tea, it fries my wifi connection.

I don't think it's safe that your microwave is emitting radiation strong enough to disrupt your Wifi signal. The shielding may be compromised, and substituting aluminum foil introduces the potential of scattering toward people and animals.
In India, after Jio's success, all operators have now killed the old pricing structure or made it unviable. That structure provided us the ability to lower our plans to bare minimum (low talktime, long validity). Now everyone is on the subscription bandwagon which is atleast 6 times costly when comparing the cheapest plans. But that's still ok I guess, for 200rs (~3USD) per month we get 1.5GB 4G data per day, Unlimited calls and SMS. Sucks that they are selling our data though.
Those are some insanely cheap prices for 1.5GB a day! I pay $40 for 1GB a month here in the United States. How is this even possible? Are the service providers here really taking in such a fat margin?
$40 a month in Japan for 50Gb/ month. I think your providers are.
Speaking for Pakistan with somewhat higher rates, I think there are a couple of reasons.

1. Actual competition between providers, rather than implicit collusion.

2. Much higher population density across most of the country.

3. Interestingly, lack of rule of law, which means the whole subscribe-to-a-cell-phone-package that is actually out of your budget but the only option available doesn't work here. People will just run away with the phone. A vast majority of people buy a phone separately and pay upfront for it, and choose a connection provider of their choice. And jump providers whenever they see someone with a better price.

I pay £8 per month in the UK for 10gb of data (which can also be used in the EU, for now...). So I believe the answer is yes.
Why are you paying so much? I'm curious what carrier you are on. If it's a major carrier (guessing not) then try an MVNO like Red Pocket Mobile.
I use Tello and love it! I’ve been working from home for a while and switched a few years ago. I also use Google Voice for my home phone number and connect it to an ObiTalk box, which connects to my modem, so almost all my calls are over WiFi too. I could probably get away with their cheapest plan, which I believe is $6 (for the same network as T-Mobile or Sprint), but even without going the cheapest, my bill is always under $10.
As part of the agreement with SEC(?) to be allowed to merge with Sprint, T-mobile agreed to offer low-priced plans, I suppose to help low-income or access-disadvantaged Americans get cheaper cellphone access.

$15/month (incl 2GB): https://prepaid.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans/connect Not as cheap as some barebones MNVOs but seems attractive and by a reliable-enough carrier.

Personally, I have my parents on the Google Fi $20/month plan ($15 for 2nd line) which charges $10 per GB of data, so at this time they're not using almost any data. It's cheap enough to be not worth it to switch right now.

Switched to the Tmobile connect plan last week, in part with trying to keep bills low.

Despite being a longtime Tmobile customer they issued me a new number. Mild inconvenience.

Use Ting. Pay for what you use. https://ting.com/
What I dislike about Ting is that as soon as you rack up even 1 text message (which you are bound to, by annoying text message services who spam you), they charge you the next tier. The worry about hitting the next tier (voice, data, text) was very annoying and I abandoned them.
my bill is like $18/month. That's still a lot lower than $70 plans that people hardly use.
Are Ting numbers able to receive texts from short codes?

Do they identify the numbers as voip?

Yes they can and no they don’t.

Ting are a true MVNO; the phone numbers are mobile numbers, thought I understand where you’re coming from and I am also very annoyed by some companies rejecting “fake VoIP” numbers.

(For those who will come along after me and say that VoIP numbers are easier to get and carrier numbers have some kind of identity checking: I can get a hundred numbers that validate as “mobile” in the name of George Crabtree for a handful of dollars in under a week. Scammers can also do these schemes so all you’re doing is pissing off proper customers.)

Posts like this remind me of the differences between cell phone data markets relative to your country. I pay €15.99 a month for my cell plan (discounted from €19.99 because the same providor does my home internet/cable TV/home phone bundle) [0]. That gets me 100GB of data, unlimited texting, free calls and texts to much of the world, and the same deal should I roam in many countries, including those closest to home where I am most likely to travel pre- and post-COVID19.

I’m sure it has something to do with the competition, the density of the population and the impact of that on infrastructure, and the government financial support for communication infrastructure rollout. Probably more complex than that, but at €15 a month it’s nowhere near the top of a list of expenses to cut right now.

[0]:http://mobile.free.fr

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If you pay 15.99, you actually get _unlimited_ 4G data instead of 100GB. It's been life saving during the lockdown, being somewhere with very slow wifi...
I think when I first signed up it was 20GB, then upgraded to 50GB, and now it is 100Gb or, indeed, unlimited. Frankly I never get close to that, anyway, so it’s always left me thinking what I would have to do to get to that sort of data download. If I tethered more outside of WiFi perhaps I would hit it, but I live in a bigger city so WiFi is usually no problem.

Probably worth noting that, if you set up your home Freebox right, you can access secure WiFi on other Freeboxes that do the same anywhere else in France. If 4G is sketchy for some reason and I am anywhere near a decent sized apartment building, I can usually hook into someone’s home WiFi for a few minutes to grab the podcast etc. Very handy.

I pay around 5$ for unlimited 4G, calls & texts within the country and a few hundred (can't recall how many) international minutes. I also only pay around 15$ for 1 Gigabit internet, cable TV and a house phone. I have to agree - the difference in prices around the world seems crazy when related to this aspect.
Wow, that’s a little less than a third of what I’m paying for gigabit internet. The variance between countries is huge. I wonder what it would work out adjusted to average income or something for an apples to apples comparison.
It depends I guess, here the average income is 656 euros. Internet and phone services are especially cheap, food and others not that huge of a difference in my opinion (depends where you shop tho). I live in Romania if you wanna research further.
Well, I had to leave for my hometown (post COVID19 lockdown in India) which is a Tier 2 city where I don't any copper/ fiber connectivity in my area apart from government backed BSNL which is a pain to get. To compensate, I have 2 provider plans which I shuffle for doing my work.

1) Vodafone : I pay around INR 588 (~USD 8) for an unlimited calling plan with 200 GB data per month, unused data is credited to next month. Speed varies around 4 Mbps - 32 Mbps, throttles some websites such as BBC/ NYTimes and torrents (no idea why). Streaming services work flawlessly.

2) JIO : I paid around INR 599 (~USD 8) for 84 days with unlimited calling + 168 GB high speed data (downgrades to 64Kbps post exhaustion). Speed varies around 3 Mbps - 24 Mbps. Also throttles some websites as per Department of Telecom (DOT) guidance.

I manage my servers, download abandonware games (which were cool in circa 2000s), code and use streaming services - so far so good. Other providers provide similar offerings as well. The only challenge so far has been to keep my cellphones constantly charged.

Edit : added country details.

India has strict net neutrality. ISPs cannot throttle some services and allow others. If you are talking about banning websites(torrent, porn) then that's a different issue. That is enforced due to a court order.

I have a Jio connection. Torrents work at same data speeds as other downloads. But the torrent websites are banned using DPI. So easy hacks like https upgrade don't work. Hopefully wide adoption of encrypted SNI will hinder their capability to ban websites.

Not really covid-related, but switched to Mint Mobile last fall and have been pretty happy with it. $20/month for 8GB I think (I’ve never run against the limit so I’m not sure off the top of my head). I’m in NYC and rarely leave the city, so I can’t speak to consistency of coverage in other areas, but I’ve never had any problems. The only real complaint I have is that their international coverage is unusably bad. It’s pre-paid, and pay by the MB So manages to be prohibitively expensive and also unreliable. I normally just pick up a cheap temp SIM card when I arrive in a country, but I understand that some people this is too big an inconvenience, or not a possibility.
Mint Mobile (a T-Mobile MVNO) has unlimited talk & text with 3GB data (and unlimited throttled data after that) for $15/mo. (I'm not affilliated, just a happy user -- if you want a $15 credit, DM me for a referral code.)
Hey man, how could I dm you?!
My bad. I've updated my HN profile with my email address.
My whole family is on TracFone. They're 15 bucks a month. I suppose we could get it cheaper, but it's worked for us, for a long time. When the lockdown began, I ordered new Internet-only service for the family, and we're going to finally ditch our land line.
If Xfinity Mobile is an option for you, and you're already an Xfinity customer (if not, there's a $10 fee I think), you can get service for $15, if you have a supported phone (iPhone, Galaxy, or Pixel; they also sell phones by standard lease plans, but I assume that would defeat the purpose). They only bill for data. They're on the Verizon network; I switched from Verizon to them for a while. The service was good, but I needed the unlimited data that Verizon provides, and apparently Verizon speed caps their MVNOs, as the speed on the same phone was substantially less. (I still have a backup phone on Xfinity: it (Galaxy Note 10) speed tested at around 4Mbps; my Verizon iPhone XS Max was 15-30Mbps.)
I've used Mint for years. 20/mo for more data than I'll ever use. Not one complaint.
I'm in the UK, and have long been a "no contract" user. I've saved literally thousands from buying the phone outright and using pay as you go variants [2].

I currently use giffgaff, who offer "goodybags" [1] which are essentially sim-only deals that last a month for comparable or cheaper prices than contract phones.

When the lockdown was announced I dropped from £12/mo to £0/mo. I have roughly £8 credit on my phone and haven't used it.

[1] https://www.giffgaff.com/sim-only-plans

[2] most phones are cheaper to own this way, even factoring in all sorts of risk. The exceptions are phones specifically targetted to make the most of the loan setup; from experience the top of the line iPhones have always been cheaper on contract.

UK too. And same as you buy my phone's outright. My partner and child are with me in a group plan with Smarty we pay (read I pay) £9 per month each for 30gb data and unlimited texts and calls.

Can't beat this. I'm a keyworker so am still using my data same as my partner.

I like Ting [0] a lot it's only $6 per line and they only charge you for what you use. Even in months where I have heavy usage the total bill for two lines typically ends up in the $60 range. US based phone support. Easy to use and understand website. Can't say enough good things about it.

The also offer fiber Internet if you are lucky enough to live in one of the handful of cities where they offer it.

[0] https://ting.com/

Ting data is not cheap, but I suppose it's reasonable for light users. My irrational self would rather pay a lot more to avoid getting slammed w/ high, unexpected costs (e.g. binging watching a show and forgetting my wifi was off).
Ting has really good software to help you limit your usage for example you can set warnings when you go over certain usage levels and you can set hard limits so you don't go over a limit you can set super easy to control. I looked at what I actually was using and used their billing estimator to see what equivalent usage would cost on Ting and it came out cheaper. Ting Data is the same price as data on Google Fi. If you live in a house hold with multiple lines it is absolutely cheaper than paying for multiple "unlimited" plans that aren't fully utilized.
Ting doesn't really look like a good deal except for extremely low usage, like for a secondary phone or if you do everything connected to wifi and not using mobile talk or text.

1 line = $6, 1-100 minutes = $3, 1-100 texts = $3, 101-500MB = $10.

Total, with that low usage, is $22/mo with Ting.

Compare against some cheap MVNO like Mint Mobile where you can get unlimited talk and text, 3GB 4G for $20/mo prepaid for 6 months, or $15/mo prepaid for 1 year. Which is very similar to T-Mobile Connect (their new prepaid thing). I don't know if "T-Mobile Connect" is technically a separate entity that's a MVNO running on T-Mobile's network, or whether it's a genuine 1st class service on T-Mobile's network. Even if T-Mobile Connect is a MVNO, I would probably choose it if I were reevaluating plans today, except... the last time I used T-Mobile's website it was horrible, and Mint's is very simple and clean.

Google Fi would be more, but if you go over 100 minutes or 100 texts, the Ting price goes up, while the Fi price is unchanged. More than some cheap MVNO, but Google Fi has some special features that might make that worthwhile for some people.

I don't like Mint because it is gimicky ie: introductory rates, and you have to remember to commit to a new X month contract every X months. Use Ting's billing estimator to look at what your real usage is and see what it would cost. The real sweet spot is if you have multiple lines with medium usage since they pool usage and you aren't paying for an "unlimited" plan for multiple lines.
I use google fi so it's just automatically cheaper. Previously I could pay up to 80/mo for unlimited data, 20 base, 10 bucks per gig, free thereafter up to 15 gigs, throttled after 15 gigs.

I've been paying between 20 and 30/mo for it.

I'm from Romania and I pay €14 for 75 GB monthly data, 300 international minutes, unlimited national minutes/sms.

It's cheap enough that I don't mind paying for it while indoors.

I would've switched to Prepay actually, as here you get even better deals with Prepay, but I've got a older and easy to remember phone number that I don't want to lose. And technically I could recover a Prepay number in case I lost the SIM, but with no contract in place I would depend on the benevolence of the operator.

My cell plans are crowded as I have every provider in our country. From 100GB data only for 10€ to full fledged plan for more than 60€. COVID changed nothing.
Sure, use "pay as you go". Can't even remember when paid for cell last time.
I pay $26 on a T-mobile family plan. That's after the AutoPay and KickBack discounts. (The KickBack discount applies if you use less than 2GB of data.) I find it cheap enough not to care much; it's less than half an hour's worth of wages. It's supposedly unlimited data, but throttling may happen after 50GB.
I'm using Google Fi for the international coverage & traveling indefinitely, albeit not so much since March. I could get cheaper local plans, but buying local sims is not always easy or convenient.
Even though I am 99% using the WiFi, I have to stay on a plan in my mobile just to receive and make calls. As people still prefer normal calling than using internet based calling features.