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This is a well-known bug with ADAL.js that I've personally struggled with on our own corporate sites. It's a library that enables OAuth integration with Azure AD for single-page apps. Switching browsers can fix it. If they're using MSAL instead, it's possible that copying the link and pasting it into a new window will fix it as well...
So far, it basically looks like it wants to become Atlassian Confluence. Presumably it will become more tightly integrated with Office 365 than Confluence can be.
'Microsoft is creating a new kind of Office document. Instead of Word, Excel, or PowerPoint, the company has created Lego blocks of Office content that live on the web. The tables, graphs, and lists that you typically find in Office documents are transforming into living, collaborative modules that exist outside of traditional documents.
'Microsoft calls its Lego blocks Fluid components, and they can be edited in real time by anyone in any app. The idea is that you could create things like a table without having to switch to multiple apps to get it done, and the table will persist on the web like a Lego block, free for anyone to use and edit.
'“Imagine you could take those Lego pieces and put them in any place you wanted: in emails, in chats, in other apps,” explains Jared Spataro, head of Microsoft 365, in an interview with The Verge. “As people work on them, they will always be updated and contain the latest information.”
'Microsoft’s Fluid Framework sounds a lot like Google Docs, but it’s actually Google Docs on steroids. Microsoft is so confident it has built the future of productivity, it’s now open-sourcing its Fluid Framework so the rest of the world can help shape what it has created. Some Office.com users will even be able to start getting a taste of this Fluid future in the coming months.'
It sounds a lot to me like OneNote, where you paste in bits and bobs of standard Office formats.
It feels like we see a new Office app every few years that's supposed to enable some magical flow of business, but every Office app I actually see used in offices has been around since 1995 or earlier.
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I'm also getting the same error with the same account I'm using for Windows, Outlook Web, and MSOffice/Live. Why do I need a separate account for this?
Am I crazy for wanting more than ever to fully embrace offline, privacy preserving technology? I'm okay with my Excel file on my HDD that I am in control over (and I've been spending time migrating away from the 'cloud' to a fully offline experience, where I can do anything I need without an internet connection, possibly for months at a time).
This sounds like it ties you further into the MS ecosystem; it's likely you'll need an MS account and be willing to agree to their privacy policy to use this feature - hopefully there is an "opt out" at least if it's integrated into their applications. And I'm not seeing anything that says this can work if you disable your internet connection, which is crucial for many people.
I also wonder about the longevity of these things. Imagine if an email was "alive" and could be "edited" after it was sent by anyone, like a 'module' as they're proposing.
There's a value into having a static, in-time thing, like an email, that will contain the same content 50 years from when it was sent and isn't reliant on some database to get the content (and can be easily exported/imported at will).
Dislike this. Moving everything to an online service sounds cool, except there are drawbacks to this approach.
I like to think about Fluid as "OLE 3.0" (I used to own COM in Windows a few years ago - also disclaimer - I don't work on this team but am a big fan of their work). It's about making it easy to create components that can connect with each other through a cloud message queue service. So this "collaborative OneNote" experience shows just one aspect of that. You can build much more granular things using the SDK.
"Steve Lucco looked at it from the fundamental level of 'What if we built every experience on top of a data structure that was inherently distributed?'"
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Guess not so fluid afterall.
[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-started-with-...
Edit: in a Private Window it asks me to log in my Microsoft account, so I guess it has detected I was logged in, but goes in an authentication loop?
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-build-2020-te...
Announcement support page
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-started-with-...
In the news
https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21260005/microsoft-office...
'Microsoft is creating a new kind of Office document. Instead of Word, Excel, or PowerPoint, the company has created Lego blocks of Office content that live on the web. The tables, graphs, and lists that you typically find in Office documents are transforming into living, collaborative modules that exist outside of traditional documents.
'Microsoft calls its Lego blocks Fluid components, and they can be edited in real time by anyone in any app. The idea is that you could create things like a table without having to switch to multiple apps to get it done, and the table will persist on the web like a Lego block, free for anyone to use and edit.
'“Imagine you could take those Lego pieces and put them in any place you wanted: in emails, in chats, in other apps,” explains Jared Spataro, head of Microsoft 365, in an interview with The Verge. “As people work on them, they will always be updated and contain the latest information.”
'Microsoft’s Fluid Framework sounds a lot like Google Docs, but it’s actually Google Docs on steroids. Microsoft is so confident it has built the future of productivity, it’s now open-sourcing its Fluid Framework so the rest of the world can help shape what it has created. Some Office.com users will even be able to start getting a taste of this Fluid future in the coming months.'
It feels like we see a new Office app every few years that's supposed to enable some magical flow of business, but every Office app I actually see used in offices has been around since 1995 or earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc
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This sounds like it ties you further into the MS ecosystem; it's likely you'll need an MS account and be willing to agree to their privacy policy to use this feature - hopefully there is an "opt out" at least if it's integrated into their applications. And I'm not seeing anything that says this can work if you disable your internet connection, which is crucial for many people.
I also wonder about the longevity of these things. Imagine if an email was "alive" and could be "edited" after it was sent by anyone, like a 'module' as they're proposing.
There's a value into having a static, in-time thing, like an email, that will contain the same content 50 years from when it was sent and isn't reliant on some database to get the content (and can be easily exported/imported at will).
Dislike this. Moving everything to an online service sounds cool, except there are drawbacks to this approach.
Yes because great work gets done collaboratively.
This video is the best explanation of it that I know of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMzXmkrlFNg
Reminded me the experience of editing for example Visio picture inside Word document.
CRDTs under the hood?