tldr: His number was leaked, he got rid of it, the person who just got the number is dealing with bunch of random people who think they found elon's # online.
I heard someone found shoes that Bill Gates once wore and a gum chewed by Steve Jobs. Both became relics and worshippers write articles about this in the internet.
Seriously though - would someone think it was ok if I got a number after a local bakery owner and started sharing messages that were sent to me by mistake? Is this ok because EM is a more known person? I think it still falls under privacy standards.
The messages were sent to her number. I don't think there is any privacy violation if you drop mail addressed to 'person residing at this address' at the wrong house.
It's no different from sending an email to the wrong address. Disclaimers to the contrary, it isn't the responsibility of the recipient to ensure the address (phone number, in this case) is right.
There's no other metadata for text message recipient other than the phone number. You can't see that the sender fucked up before you actually read the text message.
Yes and my point wasn't about reading the message but about sharing it with others. If you think you're the intended recipient because the only information you have is the recipient's number, then that's one thing. If it's talking to Elon Musk in the message then it's clearly not addressed to you, so you don't have the same grounds for sharing it.
I agree that there is no privacy law violation, but it is a bit distasteful. We have some implicit standards in the society and it seems those are conveniently ignored at this point. There is some excuse given in the article in the form of "he probably gives out this number to people he does not wish to talk to", which I find a bit suspicious.
When I got letters to previous tenants at my current address I did not open them and share with everyone I met. I sent them to their new address.
I agree with you that it’s a bit distasteful. But on the other hand there was nothing revealed in the article that was terribly shocking. If that same article were about me instead of Elon Musk, I don’t think I would find it upsetting.
My guess is that the real problem that was touched on is Mr. Musk gives the number out to get rid of unwanted contacts.
I had a number like this, except it was for a drug dealer with a similar area code, and most of the crazy texts and calls slowed down after a few months. I have a common name and get similar wacky emails. It's an impossible problem to solve when it is a problem.
Every couple of years stories like this come out. It's pretty common for celebrities to give out old numbers to undesirable contacts. There was a story in the NY papers a few years ago about a guy getting calls from one-night stand hookups of a musician. The musician gave out his number from 20 years ago because it sounded real.
You can't see whom a text message is addressed to (besides the phone number, but that's obviously wrong here) if you don't actually read the text message. And if you get a letter that's not addressed to anyone but has your address on it, then it's obviously okay for you to open it.
It could just be someone who googled his name, found his old number, and found out that Musk attended an event the week before that, and just pretended to have met him in person during that event.
This can be nasty. A friend of me once got a ton of phone calls for a specific realtor. Turns out the realtor made a misprint on their business card.
The realtor didn't want to do the expense to print new business cards, so they were just going to give this card to everybody. Could he just forward everybody to them, and maybe fill in their customers on some basic information like opening hours and holidays etc.
This pissed him off enough to sell his phone number to a competing realtor.
I read/heard a similar story of a hotel getting a number that was a digit off from some old woman who'd had it for years. After they refused to change it, she started taking reservations, and booking wedding parties and the like, if the person on the other end didn't believe her when she said they got a wrong number.
That same thing happened to my friend M in college. Back then - '89 - our school was probably not unusual in having a campus phone number scheme that was super predictable. The phone number in room X of building Y was 348-xxx1, say, and the next room on the hall was -xxx2, etc.
So if you knew the building, and you knew which room someone lived in, you knew the number. Campus telecom never changed this up at ALL.
Well, in the summer of '89 they built a new rec center, and it obviously got new numbers. And the number they put at the racquetball court reservation desk was one digit off from M's number.
He got racquetball calls ALL THE TIME, but the ones that annoyed him were very early in the morning. He complained to Telecom, but they wouldn't help, so he did what your little old lady did: he started taking reservations -- and to make it worse, he gave out confirmation numbers.
The rec center didn't have a confirmation number system.
After about a week, the racquetball center got a new phone number. Which is hilarious and shows how stuck campus telecom was in their thinking, bc it would've been way simpler (you'd think, anyway) to give M and new number given how much printed matter had the racquetball number on it by then.
> if the person on the other end didn't believe her when she said they got a wrong number
I will never ever understand this behavior (I've seen it in other contexts) of people who refuse to believe an inconvenient truth even when there is strong disincentive for the bearer to be lying, and immediate negative consequences for not recognizing the truth. Like, do they think the receptionist is just pulling a prank??
I recall reading about a local business that lost their phone number of decades to a new hospital that printed a bunch of marketing materials with the wrong number and successfully persuaded the phone company to commandeer the number.
Update: I remember now, the phone company gave them the wrong number to begin with. Just a bizarre story all around, and quite cruel to the original business.
Something similar happened to me, some shop misprinted some flyers and put our landline number on them. We got calls for years and sometime we still get some (you can infer how much time has passed since by the fact I'm talking about a landline)
When I was in college living with a roommate, a local daycare mistakenly listed our phone number in the Yellow Pages (it was correct in the white pages), so we’d get calls from potential (and existing?) customers. At first we’d tell them “wrong number” but my roommate liked messing with them (the constant calls were a nuisance) and would say they were out of business and other nonsense. The daycare eventually caught on and so the phone company called me and asked if we were telling people they closed (we denied it), and then offered us $200 to let them change our number as compensation. They said it would cover the cost of the calls we’d have to make to tell people about our new phone number, but it felt like a fortune to me as a college kid (more than half our rent).
Point is, giving out the wrong number to people is not good marketing. That would be like letting your domain name expire in today’s world.
As long as you don't share personal information, I don't see the issue. Most of these message chains are, 'hey Elon'. 'Sorry this isn't Elon'. I don't see anything in here that I would have a problem being shared if it the senders had intended it for local bakery owners. Though, in that case, nobody would read the article. 'Woman receives messages intended for local bakery owner' isn't quite as interesting.
Agreed. These messages are personal and are 100% intended to go to Elon Musk by the people sending them. Regardless of whether they had the wrong number or not, she doesn't have the right to go share them with NPR and the world.
It actually surprised me that Musk (or any public figure) would give up an old phone number. I would have expected a personal assistant to monitor the old number for a time until the calls/messages stopped.
But now he can always shrug off unwanted new contacts to his current number by pretending to be that woman who accidentally got Musk's old one. They ask Google and the story checks out, he will never hear from them again. Best possible outcome.
The woman that’s photograph appears in the article, “Lyndsay Tucker, a 25-year-old skin care consultant, who works at a Sephora beauty store in San Jose, Calif.” — is obviously a real person.
i think the suggestion is that musk is picking up the phone in his mrs. doubtfire voice and saying "hello, this is tucker, i'm a real person, who is this mr. musk you speak of?"
Roughly like that, yes. And it really would only work for text messages, not only because of the voice issue but also because a phone call rarely contains actionable information before both sides have informally confirmed identity.
"Some of those who texted Tucker said Musk himself provided the number to them. When NPR asked Musk whether he gave out that number to people he was trying to dodge, he did not respond."
However she got the number, she's got no intention of getting rid of it. Note that she has already provided it to many talent contacts.
Plus, it's probably something that she's actually treasuring, at this point. I'll bet that she's quite warm and friendly to anyone that calls, no matter how bizarre.
She's trying to break into a very competitive field, and every edge counts.
This is a big one. If she has the talent to follow through, this may be good for her.
Later in the article it states aspiring actress. Ironic that you’ve been condescending and yet lack basic reading skills. I certainly wouldn’t want a skin care consultant that couldn’t read the bottle.
I get emails for a celebrity. So far I've received: receipts for things like a boat, invitations to perform at large events, 'just catching up' notes from old friends, and confirmations of event planning among others. Recently I got an order confirmation for a large purchase, along with a shipping address and mobile number. I used the mobile number to text the celebrity, explain the situation, and offer my apologies for the mixup (I took a screenshot to prove I wasn't some psycho and sent it along)...they responded 'thanks' and I've not received any other messages from them since, though I have gotten some other emails.
I get occasional emails meant for my mom as we have similar email addresses. It's a common mistake made by many of her contacts, what is she supposed to do about it?
I have a fairly common surname and get a bunch of stuff meant for other people. My suspicion is that their legitimate username is just one or two extra characters after mine, e.g. "ab.normal@gmail.com" vs "ab.normal2@gmail.com". People probably think that, as long as they are careful about communicating the right username, it will be fine; but communication requires skills on both sides, and it's easy to miss a single letter or digit in common conversation or in poor lighting.
It is an honest shame that (so far) all you received in return was a 'thanks'. I truly wished your story ended with '.. and they sent me a gift/collectable in appreciation'. Either way - thanks for being a 'good guy' who made the effort :)
Not exactly the same situation, but still a phone number messup.
A pretty large local online retailer managed to put my familiy's phone number on their payment due on their payment missed notice. Apprently they also messed their system up and send these notices to people who paid their stuff in time, so they were rightfully confused.
For about three weeks we got a few hundred calls by confused and/or angry customers. Needless to say, I had quite a few interesting "conversations".
> Full disclosure: I reached out to Musk during one of those controversies, when he threatened to sue the California county that is home to Tesla's manufacturing plant over its coronavirus-related restrictions. Instead, I got Tucker.
It’s not explicitly said, but I’d bet that’s how this story came to be ;)
completely off topic: why do so many folks on HN refer to Elon Musk as "Elon"? Rarely are peopling talking about Bill or Steve; you always add the surname or use just the surname.
It's one of the 'advantages' of having a relatively uncommon first name. Everyone knows who Elon, Adele, Beyonce and Barack are. I have an unusual first name and tend to go by just my first name, which works fine too. Sometimes a first name is just all you need.
He's a lot more human than Steve or Bill. That is, his flaws are a lot more apparent, his emotions are more fragile, and he's always ready to speak his mind. It feels like you know him.
I Find it so disingenuous when the journalist describes Elon musk like this one did. Here’s a guy who’s started multiple successful companies in the hardest industries, and he describes him as the guy who smoked pot and defied stay at home orders.
His recent behavior and original status as a member of the PayPal mafia does make you question how much is his doing versus his connections and placement in spacetime. I do think he is rather intelligent as evident from the Joe Rogan podcast, that is -- long form conversation on topics. But he has shown an affinity for stupidity as well. He's an interesting man but remember that Tesla and the other companies he has been part of have been partnerships and have stellar engineers at the helm. Musk is a Muskateer, not a solo bolo.
Can imagine Elon reading this and thinking, why tf would you even report on such nonsense? I mean really, why is this a story? And these pictures of the woman receiving the texts, they position her like she is a victim somehow, I mean look at these facial expressions LMAO.
Indeed, why give someone an old number. If you are concerned about meeting them again and want plausible deniability, transpose a couple of digits and swap a 1 for a 7.
That’s also the classic method of getting in touch with a recruiter or hiring manager. Call the company and state “Someone called me the other day from X company and left a voicemail, they did not state their name so I was just following up”.
It is a bit funny that Elon Musk makes cars, and this girl getting errant texts is named Tucker (her last name). By Tucker I mean Preston Tucker the American automobile entrepreneur who made the famed Tucker sedan. [1][2]
Note, Tucker also had some run-ins with the SEC. [3]
Elon has really kicked the hornets nest. This is the level of petty BS they will publish about somebody they don’t like. Imagine what they turn a blind eye to if they like you.
I'm reminded of an old Wired article about Steve Wozniak 'collecting' phone numbers. Pan Am (by mistake) and 888-8888. It's pretty far into the article, but the outcome was pretty funny: the number was unusable because...
[spoiler alert:
toddlers picked up the phone and randomly pressed buttons, often enough hitting the 8 key repeatedly. He got too many calls to be able to use the number.]
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 160 ms ] threadIndeed I wonder if the current owner is doing this piece with the idea she might auction it
https://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/03/ebay.jennys...
Seriously though - would someone think it was ok if I got a number after a local bakery owner and started sharing messages that were sent to me by mistake? Is this ok because EM is a more known person? I think it still falls under privacy standards.
When I got letters to previous tenants at my current address I did not open them and share with everyone I met. I sent them to their new address.
I had a number like this, except it was for a drug dealer with a similar area code, and most of the crazy texts and calls slowed down after a few months. I have a common name and get similar wacky emails. It's an impossible problem to solve when it is a problem.
Every couple of years stories like this come out. It's pretty common for celebrities to give out old numbers to undesirable contacts. There was a story in the NY papers a few years ago about a guy getting calls from one-night stand hookups of a musician. The musician gave out his number from 20 years ago because it sounded real.
The realtor didn't want to do the expense to print new business cards, so they were just going to give this card to everybody. Could he just forward everybody to them, and maybe fill in their customers on some basic information like opening hours and holidays etc.
This pissed him off enough to sell his phone number to a competing realtor.
The hotel did eventually capitulate.
So if you knew the building, and you knew which room someone lived in, you knew the number. Campus telecom never changed this up at ALL.
Well, in the summer of '89 they built a new rec center, and it obviously got new numbers. And the number they put at the racquetball court reservation desk was one digit off from M's number.
He got racquetball calls ALL THE TIME, but the ones that annoyed him were very early in the morning. He complained to Telecom, but they wouldn't help, so he did what your little old lady did: he started taking reservations -- and to make it worse, he gave out confirmation numbers.
The rec center didn't have a confirmation number system.
After about a week, the racquetball center got a new phone number. Which is hilarious and shows how stuck campus telecom was in their thinking, bc it would've been way simpler (you'd think, anyway) to give M and new number given how much printed matter had the racquetball number on it by then.
I will never ever understand this behavior (I've seen it in other contexts) of people who refuse to believe an inconvenient truth even when there is strong disincentive for the bearer to be lying, and immediate negative consequences for not recognizing the truth. Like, do they think the receptionist is just pulling a prank??
Update: I remember now, the phone company gave them the wrong number to begin with. Just a bizarre story all around, and quite cruel to the original business.
It worked as expected on their PSTN and cellular network, but not from any other network.
Point is, giving out the wrong number to people is not good marketing. That would be like letting your domain name expire in today’s world.
Plan is 6 months of “this phone number is retiring, please update to _______, update your records. we’ll connect you now.”
Then 6 months of “this number is retired, hang up and call _____”.
Then 3 months of dead-end (but will review CDRs).
When I cancel it, I plan on calling any new owner to ask them to forward any calls for her to us.
The woman that’s photograph appears in the article, “Lyndsay Tucker, a 25-year-old skin care consultant, who works at a Sephora beauty store in San Jose, Calif.” — is obviously a real person.
... or more likely just for text messages.
Plus, it's probably something that she's actually treasuring, at this point. I'll bet that she's quite warm and friendly to anyone that calls, no matter how bizarre.
She's trying to break into a very competitive field, and every edge counts.
This is a big one. If she has the talent to follow through, this may be good for her.
I sincerely wish her the best.
Too busy, or just don’t care?
It’s not explicitly said, but I’d bet that’s how this story came to be ;)
That said Elon is not a common name in the US. When you say Steve do you mean Steve Harvey, Steve Carell, Steve Wozniak or Steve Ballmer?
It's the first trick in the book to get your foot in the door, pretend you already have your foot in the door.
Note, Tucker also had some run-ins with the SEC. [3]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tucker#Tucker_Corporat...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tucker#/media/File:194...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tucker#Turmoil_surroun...
https://www.wired.com/1998/09/woz/
[spoiler alert: toddlers picked up the phone and randomly pressed buttons, often enough hitting the 8 key repeatedly. He got too many calls to be able to use the number.]