Ask HN: How to feel work not like work?

2 points by raobit ↗ HN
Front End Dev:- React Native 1.5 yr exp Working in startup,worked in service based.

Feeling stuck, i do like programming and want to be in developer zone and building things,but working and developing as per requirements and as per orders for others just doesn't feel right for me, feels like endless loops where i am just doing things which needs to be done within particular time and deliver and not taking time,enjoying,learning and doesn't feel like it is something that i have to do, but just complete tasks There is no feeling of connection to the idea, no control, thats what is missing for me

Do you guys facing any of this?How do you go about it and any advice,suggestion for me?

Thanks

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Yeah, look, it's called purpose, not a "zone".

A book recommendation: "If Life Is a Game, How Come I'm Not Having Fun?: A Guide to Life's Challenges", Paul Brenner. Another one: "Man's Search for Meaning", Viktor Frankl. Regarding the "zone": everything written by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.

Hey Thanks for your response. Will definitely check out and thanks for recommendation, checked your profile as you mentioned can mail you there is no mail-id,Can you give if i might need just in case for queries or for questions?
I'm not sure you're referring to me, because I both didn't refer you back to my profile for anything, nor I miss the email address there ;)

You're welcome. But I have something I'd like to ask you in return. Think about it - what's the point of gathering people's contact details if there's no prof that what they can offer even in terms of an advice is of any meaningful value? So, first read the books I've mentioned, or at least those you find interesting from that pool, then you can make your decision about how persistent you're ready to be in order to get to someone based on the real value that person can deliver. People are busy. Almost all of them. And a chance that a reasonable person is going to have more time than a regular Joe, who'd be thrilled to misguide you with his retarded ideas, is, well, not very reasonable. I'm sure you get it. Moreover, it's perfectly logical.

Regarding building your own healthy life philosophy your own work is crucial. Only rarely someone can point you toward a reasonable direction, which will mostly come down to a book recommendation. A back-an-forth Q-and-A ping pong game via email or anything else has no chance to work. I'd like life to be that simple, though! One needs to think for oneself, and there's no way to pass understanding from one person to another. Again, I wish it could be possible.

Yes thanks,i think i needed that kind of rough answer to stop validating myself on someone else's opinion and understand my inner-self better to improve myself.

I understand your point very well,i have started journalling to understand things better,the reason i asked because i find this community very helpful and they really are and regarding the email i guess it doesn't gets visible unless you explicitly add in about section and not just in email section of your profile,sorry for the trouble and its ok..

Anyway thanks for getting back :)

If you really can distinguish a BS advice from a brilliant one, you're almost there. I consider what you do very important. There's no way one can do anything of substantial value in life, whether performed on oneself or others, without understanding oneself first (what is reality and what's it mean to be human, and what are logical extensions of these answers? -- are the oldest questions in philosophy; they're also considered the obvious common ground in terms of what people consider interesting among intelligent individuals). Making notes, creating written feedback loops with yourself, is probably the best way to get to bottom of what's really going on with almost everything. I know it changed my life. Decades passed by and I only do more of that. I knew you get it :-) I'm so happy. The world is going to have one more reasonable individual. So keep going!

Beware of HN and similar communities, though. Although often one can meet exceptional people here, the HN also suffers from usual: social-media-ish mobs, cargo cults, herd thinking. I wouldn't be for instance particularly eager to take life advises from techies. A lot of them are let's say not very much grounded in reality ;) But every person who can reasonably answer the previously mentioned "what is reality and what's it mean to be human, and what are logical extensions of these answers?" is truly a good candidate for asking. One must have a framework in which one interprets reality. Gödel's incompleteness theorems are all about that (that might be the most important conclusion in the philosophy of science ever made). Our problems, even if just trivial ones, are definitely a part of reality, therefore one must know reality top to bottom in order to efficiently maneuver in it. The only other wisdom one can stumble upon is how to efficiently deal with this or that (I mean technical, not necessarily technological, problems). I must say that HN is great for that.

Also, consider learning about biases typical for human beings. Among them the most crucial one might be the survivorship bias. Knowing what kind of cognitive errors people make tremendously helps in our own reasoning, especially in keeping oneself vigilant in regard to that kind of stuff. It might save you life one day.

PS: Regarding "sorry for the trouble" - to me our discussion is far from that. It's a pleasure to help others, especially if that person is going to really apply the advice. It's like having 1000 children all over the world. Good ones. Also, thanks for pointing that email visibility issue. Now I get it. I was pretty sure the email address is available for registered user, which isn't the case. Howk!

PS2: Surely, we can only validate ourselves using logic. Then we can take other people's words and put them thru the filter of logic. If something is going to remain intact during that process, it's worth to think about it. Usually it isn't going to be the case. There's a well known phenomena in psychology called "crabs in the barrel" problem. Take a look on that. Let's not be like that kind of individuals, also let's not listen to what they say. Otherwise we'd be left with no time at our hands to do the real work, only confusion which crabs are eager to share with others to make themselves feel better.

PS3: From my experience and to the best of my knowledge, there's only one kind of successful individual this planet can deliver. A self-directed, self-managing, hungry for truth one. Again, you seem to be on a good way toward that.

Thanks for the response again :)
I had the same problem and took up a past time learning about complexity theory. Eventually it landed me working in a research programming role at a university (because student's didn't bother applying, they were chasing highly paid internships) and then my work was no longer work it was research, even if all I was doing was designing a dashboard for post-doc's to look at data at first. If this doesn't interest you then look on Angel List for some startup you can be interested in instead of where you currently are or better yet teach what you know, make some youtube videos.
Thanks for you response.I might consider taking break and doing something that i want to work on my ideas maybe small projects like indie projects, because working again for some startup which feels like interesting and exciting from outside is going to again come down to feel like work that needs to be done as per requirements on others ideas and not something that i want to do, though problem solving is i like, but still i feel it is going to be the same way like escaping from one cage to going to another :(
I feel exactly the same way!
Hey, thanks for you reply How are you coping with it, how you go about it?
I just try to do one day at a time. I put in my required 8 hours and hate my life for every minute of it. I look forward to signing off for the day and dream, unrealistically, of early retirement.