Guessing she was already aware she was under investigation and knew if she tried to leave the country she would likely be stopped at the border/port of entry.
For anyone wondering why this is significant, from Wikipedia: Maxwell has faced persistent allegations of procuring and sexually trafficking underage girls for Epstein and others, charges she has denied.
It's not unreasonable to believe in conspiracy theories based around 3-letter agencies. The kind of conspiracy theories that one shouldn't give time of day to are the ones that involve an unprecedented level of cooperation between multiple groups of people not known to have the discipline to keep things secret.
If your conspiracy theory involves "most scientists" or "a large number of non-aligned nation states" then it's probably crazy talk. If however it just involves security agencies and small groups of powerful people then it's might be worth considering.
HN has been oddly eager about conspiracy theories over the last year. That Navy UFO story (and various other articles from The Drive) got more play than I would have expected. More recently, the TikTok "reveal" from a reddit comment.
Does HN post monthly user numbers anywhere? I wonder if there was a demographic change, or if I'm just imagining it. Of course, it could just be the world changing; the world (or perhaps just the US) does seem to be more engaged with conspiracy theories and inflammatory agenda sharing these days.
dang: "It's more like 150M visits a month. Edit: 147M in September. Edit 2: I'm talking about page views, plus ajax requests like collapsing subthreads." (2019)
This is a geek forum, is it that surprising that when conspiracy with some credible people (UFO stuff), or coincidences so big that it everyone accepts it as reality (Epstein), than people would want to discuss it.
UFO stuff is just fun to talk about or entertain.
Epstein is revolting look into what really happens with powerful people. He was just a tip of an iceberg, killed to keep the lid on. You'd be a fool to think he was the mastermind pedophile rapist holding half of elites by throat all by his own.
>The Netflix documentary on Epstein definitely painted her and others in a bad light.
I've wondered about this point. If you've watched the documentary then does that make you ineligible to be on the jury because you'd be considered biased?
My understanding (IANAL) is that being aware of a high profile case from media reports or documentaries or such things is not by itself disqualifying. It comes down to whether the juror can maintain an open mind and base their vote fairly on the evidence in the trial. If this was not the case then it would be difficult for any high profile national figure to secure a jury trial in any jurisdiction.
There have been numerous articles of late that quote her as being in France because of the favorable extradition laws for their citizens, so yes it does strike me as extremely odd.
That actually has a lot of plausible deniability. Jails and prisons are having issues with COVID-19 everywhere. High density combined with poor management.
Unfortunately this is not unreasonable or "conspiracy theory". She was involved with many high profile people, some of which chances are were customers. Obviously these people have incredible influence and her being silenced would a good outcome.
Holy cow, you're not joking. The man the article refers to as a "disgraced media tycoon" was, according to Wikipedia, a Mossad agent, British MP, and died mysteriously after falling off his yacht after tens of millions of dollars went missing!
He was near enough given a state funeral by Israel.
"Maxwell was accorded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, "no less than six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence" and many dignitaries and politicians (both government and opposition), and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem."
It's common for people not to know the "proper" pronunciation of the name. For a well-known example, you might have heard of the infamous case of Ghislaine Marchal.
I recently found out that Barr Sr wrote a ‘SiFi’ book with the theme of sex slavery among space aliens. The book apparently starts with sexual assault on a minor. That this same man ran a private school simply does not compute for this middle class person unless Kubrick’s last work was not fiction:
Biggest news of 2020 so far, if true. Everyone should remember how her picture in NY magazine was faked last year with an encrypted message hidden inside!
The fact that none of the usual group of experts haven't been all over this despite all the "evidence" being right there in the open, and neither of the links I found are authoritative in their authorship and presentation, I'll leave any judgement of veracity up to you.
If anyone believes in the narrative of Jeffery Epstein being a rich pedophile who committed suicide in prison, I'd suggest listening to Eric Weinstein's amazing podcast that includes his own experience meeting Epstein when he worked in New York.
He makes a pretty strong case that Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) were very likely agents of some government (likely Israel) used to gain information and blackmail rich people and those in power.
Why don't you actually listen to the podcast before making a judgement.
Honeypot operations are not unprecedented. Israel's most famous spy was involved in honeypots and orgies successfully targeting the Syrian military and government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen
On top of that there so many red flags:
- Where are the trading records or sec filings for Epstein who along with Madoff was one of the star hedge fund managers?
- How did he make his money considering he had only a single major client and previously was a private school teacher?
- How did someone who was supposedly worth 600 million live a lifestyle of a multi-billionaire with the largest private residence in Manhattan, a private island, and multiple private planes?
On top of that why were there so many strange circumstances around his prosecution and death? Nothing was standard about any part of it. Acosta himself was told to "back off" because "Epstein was above his pay grade".
Epstein was uniquely involved in parties gathering everyone across politics, finance, science, and industry, as has been repeatedly asserted, and his house was bugged heavily as has pretty well documeted.
Not to mention Ghislaine Maxwell's own father was a Mossad agent.
But I guess you have all the answers and we are all wearing tinfoil hats.
Eric is a reputable person, and he must know how to cite, I assume. I am sure Epstein has been a monster, but Eric lately is talking about physics and politics the way that I cannot even comprehend what is he talking about other than him being opressed somehow!?
Without the turture of listening the whole thing, does anyone know of any good resources of where he is learning about the Epstein's life? What he actually was doing with all these powerful people?
If you listen to it and get your knowledge first hand, you will hear a detailed explanation of exactly what he was doing with all these powerful people.
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A useful concept to keep in mind as this develops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
As someone else mentioned, I'm surprised she was in the US.
anyways, i am impressed by how much conspiracy the whole story has garnered so far. even hn does not seem immune to this one.
this is just weird!
(I really hate that term. It used to have meaning, before the assassinations of JFK and Oswald.)
If your conspiracy theory involves "most scientists" or "a large number of non-aligned nation states" then it's probably crazy talk. If however it just involves security agencies and small groups of powerful people then it's might be worth considering.
Does HN post monthly user numbers anywhere? I wonder if there was a demographic change, or if I'm just imagining it. Of course, it could just be the world changing; the world (or perhaps just the US) does seem to be more engaged with conspiracy theories and inflammatory agenda sharing these days.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201120
UFO stuff is just fun to talk about or entertain. Epstein is revolting look into what really happens with powerful people. He was just a tip of an iceberg, killed to keep the lid on. You'd be a fool to think he was the mastermind pedophile rapist holding half of elites by throat all by his own.
I've wondered about this point. If you've watched the documentary then does that make you ineligible to be on the jury because you'd be considered biased?
1. https://www.scribd.com/document/421319777/Maxwell-All-Search...
Around a month later the other prisoner is moved out, two guards fell asleep and he manages to hang himself according to the official documents.
"Maxwell was accorded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, "no less than six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence" and many dignitaries and politicians (both government and opposition), and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Death
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Omar_Raddad#Ghislaine_...
https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1278694263505600513
1. Epstein commited horrendous crimes with Maxwell.
2. Maxwell protected by Berman.
3. FREE SPACE
4. Berman fired by Barr.
5. Barr's dad hired Epstein at Dalton.
https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/william-b...
I've heard that said about Eyes Wide Shut before! These people truly live in a different world.
The fact that none of the usual group of experts haven't been all over this despite all the "evidence" being right there in the open, and neither of the links I found are authoritative in their authorship and presentation, I'll leave any judgement of veracity up to you.
https://twitter.com/_Luke_Slytalker/status/11690507671031029...
He makes a pretty strong case that Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) were very likely agents of some government (likely Israel) used to gain information and blackmail rich people and those in power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJNjH4SP6vw
edit: blackball -> blackmail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Ygl2DiUdQ
Zero direct evidence unfortunately.
Honeypot operations are not unprecedented. Israel's most famous spy was involved in honeypots and orgies successfully targeting the Syrian military and government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen
On top of that there so many red flags:
- Where are the trading records or sec filings for Epstein who along with Madoff was one of the star hedge fund managers?
- How did he make his money considering he had only a single major client and previously was a private school teacher?
- How did someone who was supposedly worth 600 million live a lifestyle of a multi-billionaire with the largest private residence in Manhattan, a private island, and multiple private planes?
On top of that why were there so many strange circumstances around his prosecution and death? Nothing was standard about any part of it. Acosta himself was told to "back off" because "Epstein was above his pay grade".
Epstein was uniquely involved in parties gathering everyone across politics, finance, science, and industry, as has been repeatedly asserted, and his house was bugged heavily as has pretty well documeted.
Not to mention Ghislaine Maxwell's own father was a Mossad agent.
But I guess you have all the answers and we are all wearing tinfoil hats.
There is no evidence that he was an agent for any agency.
There's no shortage of theories though.
It's still just a random made-up theory until there's direct evidence.
That's how logical thinking works.
Without the turture of listening the whole thing, does anyone know of any good resources of where he is learning about the Epstein's life? What he actually was doing with all these powerful people?