There are many reports of poor quality from current Model Y deliveries. Interesting that they would try to ramp up sales and subsequently production before addressing these issues prior to leaving the factory. It's significantly more costly to fix quality problems in the field, all that factory automation can't be used at the service centers. Then also even having to contend with returned vehicles by unsatisfied customers.
Actually speaking with actual owners I hear that Model Y build quality is great.
With Tesla more so than with other companies, you have to take negative things you hear online with a large grain of salt, because there is an extraordinarily active group of short sellers of the stock who are highly motivated to spread negative rumors online in desperate attempts to lower the stock price. Model Y build quality issues are one such rumor.
Model 3 did have some issues early in the production cycle but they have learned a lot and tightened it up, and Model Y benefits from those learnings, though the rumor is still easy to spread due to its resonance with the earlier, but also exaggerated, Model 3 issues.
Umm I live in an neighborhood where few apartment complexes have car charging stations and one of my pastimes is observing build quality of Teslas (and sometimes Leaf or some other ones) - I have not yet found a Model 3 without uneven panel gaps - some are acceptable if you don't compare them to another mainstream car but still it's not what one would expect from a $35K car.
Different priorities. I have a coworker who thinks that they need to charge their Model X to full on each leg of a long journey! Very wrong. Quite odd what people think and do including coworkers.
I know another guy who could not abide having concrete in his patio, and had to have it replaced with tiles!
Point is there are always people who get obsessed with strange things. Including panel gaps. Like your coworker.
Someone showed me an imperfection on my Model 3 panel gaps once and I hadn’t even noticed it. And now I couldn’t even tell you where on the car it was. It was so minor as to be unnoticeable unless you are actively looking for it.
Panel gaps are a result of poor quality control and poor precision manufacturing. Something I would expect in a car that costs 3-4 times less than a Tesla. He's a car guy, but we've never owned vehicles with panel gaps, and I've driven all sorts of tin cans.
Like I said these were problems early on in the production cycle of Model 3.
But I will take a Model 3 with panel gaps over a Skoda or a Corolla without them 10 times out of 10.
BTW the long term costs are equivalent because of gas and maintenance savings and the lifetime of a Model 3 being 3x longer, and it also keeps your family alive unlike the Skoda or other cars which are not as safe.
> BTW the long term costs are equivalent because of gas and maintenance savings and the lifetime of a Model 3 being 3x longer, and it also keeps your family alive unlike the Skoda or other cars which are not as safe.
The same argument have been used for VW/Audi diesel cars since the 90s, alongside resale value. It doesn't hide the fact that Tesla are extortionate outside the USA, and have used some questionable practices to survive in this cut-throat market against long established corporation.
So the included mobile adaptor needs a little dongle to hook up to an RV charger. You can’t use a standard dogbone, as Tesla charges hot to hot. In a standard dogbone that would be 0V. Easy to make your own, or the paid version is
For hauling a small trailer, the Y can have a hitch added for $1000. 3500 pounds towing capacity gives you a few choices. For a huge huge trailer you would need to wait for a Cybertruck.
After 10 yrs of BMW I moved to Model 3 and love it. It truly feels like the future. Most of my driving is on autopilot. Love the acceleration, the big touch screen, the updates, everything.
However, the little noises makes it feel like a cheap build. Been multiple times to the shop to fix the squeaky seats, steering. Now the steering has started making some creaking sounds. The only solution is to drive with music turned up.
I have no problem with you putting up with those issues - but the last time I bought a Toyota Sienna for $40K new and it had very minor rattling problem which took only a day for the dealer to fix - I was very upset. For that reason alone I am not buying a Tesla. My mass manufactured CR-V has zero build issues and it was for me a very good experience for the kind of money I paid. It boggles my mind that Tesla hasn't been able to solve these issues for years.
I am curious if people would have lived with so many build issues if it was any other car - people buying traditional cars seem to expect much more.
Every car I have ever been in has had creaks, vibration noise or weird resonation. I usually spend the first 10 minutes in an unfamiliar car touching surfaces to identify the source of cabin noises. My partner thinks I am crazy, I am.
I currently have a Leaf and Model 3, neither has any unusual noise but the lack of engine noise makes everything more noticeable.
This seems to be the Tesla ownership tradeoff: you can live on the bleeding edge of driving experiences available today, if you’re willing to tolerate bad build quality and a service experience that makes Comcast look good.
Well service depends on where you live. I live three hours from a service center. The mobile tech for my area is amazing. He is honest and busts his ass to make things right for customers.
But yes some people have had some terrible service experiences. But mine have been better than any dealership for any car I have ever owned
Tell me about it. I have to drive about 100 miles to the nearest Audi dealership to get my Audi fixed. The nearest Tesla service center is 180 miles away. I really want a Tesla, but I'd pretty much have to do all of the servicing myself.
Is there a way to disable all the Tesla telemetry, even if it means reduced functionality? I'd love a Model X, but I refuse to own a car that tracks my location and reports it back to the mothership. I'm so serious about this, I've disabled my BMW cell subscription (and cut the cable to the cell modem).
You can opt out. They give the usual unspecified things may not work right. I've read about people doing this. You lose updated maps, and they actually have a ton of great things they've added since it started. Some people always connect to wifi hotspot from their phones when driving around.
If you opt out of the data collection, I don't know if the 3g modem will still be active. There are people who have turned it off. The tesla is one car that actually has a ton of useful software apps (even though they never realized the promise of their own app store, they have useful things).
I love the homemade mapping and traffic site that combines maps, weather, waze updates and many other things at https://teslawaze.azurewebsites.net/.
All cars nowadays appears to have this[0] and I wish that a law would force manufacturers to provide instructions for disabling internet connectivity and all telemetry or meta data collection.
BMW dealership did it for me after I signed a standard form that, yes, this is what I wanted. A friendly chat with the master mechanic gave me the rough location of the cell box (easy to get to in a convertible) and a 'wink wink nudge nudge' understanding that, while cutting that cable is absolutely not recommended, the car wouldn't spontaneously explode if it somehow became accidentally disconnected.
BMWs have always (since CAN introduction in 99 at least) had the nice ability to silently disable modules that are no longer in communication with the rest of the bus.
Most other luxury cars will throw a million lights and warnings on the dash for a missing module, and the warnings must be coded out with specialty software.
BMWs tend to only throw a lot of lights when there is a specific module error, or the module acting up is vital to powertrain operation.
This also has the unintended consequence that nearly every light you end up seeing on a BMW will be a costly repair rather than just some nuisance error message.
This feature is a godsend when making a BMW based race-car and ripping out miles of wire.
If you get into an accident and need repairs, be prepared to wait months. My wife damaged the rim on the bottom of the ca near the front door, and the entire car had to be disassembled. I saw pictures and it was crazy how much had to be taken to get to the one small panel at the bottom of the car. Even the back and front seats had to be removed. And then it cost $13,000. Luckily it was covered by insurance but it’s still a ridiculous amount.
Tesla’s are good, not great. They are fun to drive and not having to fill up is great but if you have any problems expect a lot of pain.
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 85.6 ms ] threadWith Tesla more so than with other companies, you have to take negative things you hear online with a large grain of salt, because there is an extraordinarily active group of short sellers of the stock who are highly motivated to spread negative rumors online in desperate attempts to lower the stock price. Model Y build quality issues are one such rumor.
Model 3 did have some issues early in the production cycle but they have learned a lot and tightened it up, and Model Y benefits from those learnings, though the rumor is still easy to spread due to its resonance with the earlier, but also exaggerated, Model 3 issues.
Even if you go by total shares rather than float, TSLA has over 2x the short interest.
http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=tsla http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=aapl
I know another guy who could not abide having concrete in his patio, and had to have it replaced with tiles!
Point is there are always people who get obsessed with strange things. Including panel gaps. Like your coworker.
Someone showed me an imperfection on my Model 3 panel gaps once and I hadn’t even noticed it. And now I couldn’t even tell you where on the car it was. It was so minor as to be unnoticeable unless you are actively looking for it.
Meanwhile the factory is only getting better.
But I will take a Model 3 with panel gaps over a Skoda or a Corolla without them 10 times out of 10.
BTW the long term costs are equivalent because of gas and maintenance savings and the lifetime of a Model 3 being 3x longer, and it also keeps your family alive unlike the Skoda or other cars which are not as safe.
The same argument have been used for VW/Audi diesel cars since the 90s, alongside resale value. It doesn't hide the fact that Tesla are extortionate outside the USA, and have used some questionable practices to survive in this cut-throat market against long established corporation.
This is a Life changing car. Put 1100 miles on it already and no plan to stop.
I cannot see anyone in my house buying a non-Tesla car ever again.
It was like going from a Blackbery to an iPhone times 100.
How do you a) handle charging in that case (given 120 RV hookups) and b) haulage?
So the included mobile adaptor needs a little dongle to hook up to an RV charger. You can’t use a standard dogbone, as Tesla charges hot to hot. In a standard dogbone that would be 0V. Easy to make your own, or the paid version is
https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30-adapter-for-tesl...
For hauling a small trailer, the Y can have a hitch added for $1000. 3500 pounds towing capacity gives you a few choices. For a huge huge trailer you would need to wait for a Cybertruck.
However, the little noises makes it feel like a cheap build. Been multiple times to the shop to fix the squeaky seats, steering. Now the steering has started making some creaking sounds. The only solution is to drive with music turned up.
I am curious if people would have lived with so many build issues if it was any other car - people buying traditional cars seem to expect much more.
I currently have a Leaf and Model 3, neither has any unusual noise but the lack of engine noise makes everything more noticeable.
But yes some people have had some terrible service experiences. But mine have been better than any dealership for any car I have ever owned
Tell me about it. I have to drive about 100 miles to the nearest Audi dealership to get my Audi fixed. The nearest Tesla service center is 180 miles away. I really want a Tesla, but I'd pretty much have to do all of the servicing myself.
If you opt out of the data collection, I don't know if the 3g modem will still be active. There are people who have turned it off. The tesla is one car that actually has a ton of useful software apps (even though they never realized the promise of their own app store, they have useful things).
I love the homemade mapping and traffic site that combines maps, weather, waze updates and many other things at https://teslawaze.azurewebsites.net/.
0. https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1 (comment from 2014)
Most other luxury cars will throw a million lights and warnings on the dash for a missing module, and the warnings must be coded out with specialty software.
BMWs tend to only throw a lot of lights when there is a specific module error, or the module acting up is vital to powertrain operation.
This also has the unintended consequence that nearly every light you end up seeing on a BMW will be a costly repair rather than just some nuisance error message.
This feature is a godsend when making a BMW based race-car and ripping out miles of wire.
Tesla’s are good, not great. They are fun to drive and not having to fill up is great but if you have any problems expect a lot of pain.