This goes beyond just which digital services you can't get in Canada, but also many other types of products which aren't offered here for whatever reason. Models of automobiles, consumer electronics (TVs in particular, with sparser ranges of models), etc.
Our currency routinely reaches or exceeds par with the US dollar, and yet many products are dramatically more expensive than you'd expect to be explained simply by currency differences alone (I guess there are a lot of other issues at play, but it doesn't help the widespread impression that we're getting screwed).
It would be awesome of your project also tracked how much more expensive products and/or services are in Canada than in the US.
To be even more precise, Canadian SkypeIn numbers are not available in Canada. I've certainly had a US number that worked in Canada (makes sense for receiving calls from America).
A little design feedback: With my 15.4 inch screen I could only see the first service, so I initially assumed that you were for some reason having ads for amazon cloud drive, and I also noticed an empty site forum (which I now believe is the forum specific to that service). It took me a great while to understand that I should be scrolling down - the page looked sort of complete as it was.
You really need a more compact layout: If you want me to know what's not available in Canada, why can't I have the whole list at once? (I realize you might want the forum and news stuff - but perhaps cut a lot of the unnecessary whitespace (while still trying to keep the design spacious! :-) ).
Thanks! I'm no designer so any feedback there is much appreciated. I've compacted things a bit, but will continue to tweak it.
I'm thinking I'll also add a drop-down menu around the top to let users jump to a service quickly (I've already got lots of feedback for other services to add so the page will just be getting longer).
As far as I can tell, it's a combination of the licensing being different (as in the terms of your license probably only cover the United States to start), and the CRTC's content laws and other regulations being annoying enough not to bother with considering our relatively smaller market size.
(I think it's considerably easier to go from Canada to the US than in the opposite direction.)
Looking into it, apparently the CRTC believes that internet audio and video broadcasting services are under its jurisdiction, but it has exempted all such services from regulation. The notice is at http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1999/PB99-197.htm.
Notice that many of these services offer copyrighted contents online. I think the primary issues they had with doing business outside the U.S. is that there are less copyrighted laws to adequately protect the material and that sort of business in those countries. It would also be notoriously hard to sue people who abuse them.
Other services such as telecom have to deal with Canadian collusion and protectionism towards the readily established telcorps. It's an uphill battle. One that Canadians have been paying the price for, with high wireless phone bills, high internet fees and the recent attempt at imposing Usage-Based Billing.
Protection is not the problem. The problem is that each jurisdiction is a different sales market for copyright holders. While selling into Canada, Australia etc the sellers may have given over a total copyright license, or there might be terms trying to prevent "leakage" from the home market and so on.
For example, as an Australian, I used to be able to watch whole episodes of Stewart & Colbert via the website. Then one of the local cable companies got the Australian rights to those shows and blam, no more easily-watched episodes for me.
Not sure why you got downvotes for this. This is exactly my take, too. The regulatory hurdles for online producers are significant and Canada is a small market relative to the United States.
As my previous comment indicated I know the hurt of learning about a product and finding out it's unavailable here. However, I understand the economics at work and feel that–while they're frustrating–they're totally understandable.
Minor note: the "Think something should be here? Contact us about it." link text was very hard to read (Chrome 10, OS X). Maybe it's too small for that font and weight.
Great idea!
Are you expecting the forum to be used for references to the next best alternatives that are available in Canada? That's what immediately comes to mind. But then I wonder if those topics would quickly scroll off the list.
However, since we Canadians get such a huge amount of our media from the US
a fact about which Canadians and other non-Americans never seem to tire of complaining, until the day they discover that the e-spigot has been shut-off for them, then it's whambulance time: "Where are my American TV shows and movies!"
Can you explain that differently? I've read your comment a few times and haven't been able to grasp it.
My comment, based on a possibly faulty interpretation of your comment:
I don't feel entitled to get US media as a Canadian. It's just extremely prevalent. Our country watches CSI at the same time yours does, and American Idol, and pretty much everything else. So we get used to feeling like members of the US media market. Sure we have our Rick Mercer Report, et al, but the dominant media is American.
I certainly didn't mean to complain. I understand that negotiating distributions rights for a country a tenth the size isn't high on the priority list of US distributors. What I was trying to say is that it catches us of guard (though less and less frequently) to find that for online services we are often excluded when for so much of our daily media lives we are full-fledged, practicing Americans.
You hear non-Americans complaining constantly about America's "cultural imperialism," that they're inundated with American TV shows and movies of low quality, but then as soon as they're unable to get their fix of American media, (or least not able to get it as easily), they start to complain: "Why isn't Hulu available in my country!?"
Probably not, but in this case I imagine it was scratching a personal itch and no other country in the world starts with "can" - I imagine that bit really rubs it in the face of Canadians. I'm sure other copycats will emerge as people think up amusing domain options.
No, it's probably not because our country starts with "can"
The real itch is that some of these services are available as long as I drive an hour south and get past the border and find open wi-fi.
Pretend you're an avid soccer fan. It's as if the world cup was on TV, and your friends are all crowding around it. All you get is the commentary and cheering when the ball is scored, but you can't actually see the game, since they're blocking the TV.
And then when your friends ask you "Wasn't that a great game?", and all you can say is "Uhh...I think so?"
Having moved here from the UK I think Canada is worse off than the UK on balance.
The UK doesn't have Pandora but it does have Spotify, and Canada has neither. Last.fm is gimped in Canada, compared to the service in the UK. Lovefilm in the UK has a wider selection for online streaming than Netflix does in Canada. As pointed out, you can't buy the Kindle natively in Canada (you have to import it from Amazon.com) but you can in the UK.
A lot of these issues can be resolved for $5/month and less than that if you're willing to setup your own private server.
http://www.unblock-us.com/ lets you access American Netflix, Hulu, Pandora, ESPN3, etc etc. I'm not affiliated with them, but been using the service the past couple of months and it works amazingly. In fact I'm using American Netflix on my Xbox 360 as we speak. $5/month is a heck of a lot cheaper than moving to the states and I get to keep the free health care.
I started out using OpenVPN as well. However, the speed and latency was always very bad even though my VPS connection is fast.
After spending too much time trying to figure it out, I decided to just spend just $55/year and use StrongVPN. Added bonus, I can use StrongVPN on my iPad/iPhone!
StrongVPN looks pretty good. Also easier to support other VPN connections out of the box (i.e. through Win standard VPN and not have to install OpenVPN, as well as via iPhone). Thanks for the suggestion.
Certainly such a service could be even cheaper with official sponsorship and universal coverage.
Perhaps Canadians can lobby their MPs to institute a national system providing every Canadian with a United States IP address. The Single-Payer-Proxy-System – or in French, Proxy Système à Payeur Unique (SPPS-PSPU). There's really no reason for the nation to stand for this sort of Canadophobic discrimination. Indeed, where are the national and provincial Human Rights Commissions on this important issue?
Well, the market for rhode island is small too. but the barriers for treating it the same as connecticut are nil. Its those barriers that are the problem, even if its just the costs of being in a different country.
I'm not sure what those are or whether nafta was supposed to reduce them or what. Maybe its simply regulatory. Maybe everything has to be duplicated. Maybe Canadian companies like it the way it is.
I'd rather keep some of the barriers - the one about having no RIAA, for a start - hence my comment about increasing market size to make it more worthwhile to scale them.
I'd have to imagine that'd violate some sort of treaty. That's a huge part of the issues. These sort of regional restrictions are all wrapped up in a mess of various treaties and international agreements that Canada could not easily extricate themselves from.
The problem isn't treaties, but distribution rights. US firms don't distribute content in Canada, but have Canadian subsidiaries or partners which do so. This means agreements between service providers and rights owners signed in the states aren't generally valid in Canada.
Could you guys go for .03/minute? I could get .03/minute on my cell phone to call around a dozen countries in thailand (http://www.truemove.com/en/Inter-SIM-postpay.rails) and you can get 1500 for $30/month (0.03) minutes to call people anywhere in the US with t-mobile.
elai we're always trying to reduce cost, the reason for it being a bit higher is because we have the business features (it's like GVoice+) - maybe a 'dumbed down' version is in order?
The UK one doesn't support OSX, so I run them both from within a separate Windows VM if there's some restricted service I want to access. That way their VPN software doesn't get in the way of my other activities, and I only get ads injected within the VM.
Do they have some special arrangement with the companies in question?
My brother has a business DSL line, and that was enough for Hulu to decide that he's using a proxy and block him. They've repeatedly called support and support repeatedly told them to "stop using your proxy" (despite the fact that they are using no such thing.) So Hulu isn't at all afraid of false positives, and that kind of blanket ban should be effective unless unblock-us has a deal of some sort worked out.
I wonder how they're doing this by just changing the DNS servers?
Do they return their own IPs and run a man-in-the-middle kind of thing?
UPDATE:
Just signed up. They do actually seem to redirect the traffic from domains like hulu.com/pandora.com/... to IPs that run a squid proxy. My guess would be that they just redirect the queries for the geo-localization to their squid servers and allow you to pass those that way
I wonder how they handle the flash video streaming, and stuff secured via HTTPS (e.g. BBC iPlayer for iPad/iPhone). HTTP is easy to transparently proxy due to the "Host:" header, but HTTPS and many other protocols don't have anything equivalent. I suppose they could just have a lot of IP addresses and assign one for every host they proxy.
In general, I'm surprised such services stick around at all. You'd think the MPAA etc. would contractually require Hulu, etc. to routinely get accounts with such services, use them to sniff out the IPs and block them. I guess that means proxies aren't (perceived) a big enough threat. Yet.
It's a feasible workaround, but it's vital that content owners start to recognize the importance of a more rational licensing scheme. Different release dates for videogames depending on which hemisphere you live in, entirely different sets of content (Pandora, Netflix, etc) because you're a couple degrees north or south. It's such an antiquated model for a modern world in which the global cultures have shrunk the distances between each other.
On the other hand, things like this make me slightly amused. It's good to see the corporations run into self-imposed problems from the same institution they otherwise typically profit from and prop up.
I know it's not a big name consumer service, but cperciva's Tarsnap backup service is not available to Canadians because he doesn't want to deal with Canadian taxes.
Those are just a few of services unavailable not only in Canada but also in most of the world, which sucks big time and which is one of the main reasons why I want to move to the States, especially Silicon Valley.
Find a generic voip provider with incoming numbers, priority call forwarding, voicemail saved as mp3 files and emailed to you? All you'd be missing is the texting and voicemail transcription, but your not missing much from that.
I wouldn't call it a "service", per se, but you cannot buy a Kindle from Amazon.ca. You can, however (and this is more on-topic), buy books for it, but the selection is limited.
Edit: I should add that a lot of the things that are available on Amazon.com (the US site) won't ship to Canada. You don't even get the option to pay for extra shipping charges; it just won't ship, period.
That's crazy, because the do ship the Kindle to Europe. There too aren't a lot of books available due to rights issues, but still. What's the problem with the Kindle?
My original comment was about Amazon.ca, not Amazon.com. If you try to buy the Kindle via Amazon.ca, you get sent to a .com site. The Canadian site itself won't sell it, as it still must be imported. For whatever reason, they don't want to stock it in their Canadian warehouses. Maybe the duties on it are more than they want to swallow? I figure they'd pass that cost along, and not worry about it, but perhaps I am wrong.
Away for Canadians (based on geo IP) to be able to log that they want access to this service would be great. I don't expect that this kind of petition is going to be effective, but the relative number of votes between each service would be nice.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 209 ms ] threadThis goes beyond just which digital services you can't get in Canada, but also many other types of products which aren't offered here for whatever reason. Models of automobiles, consumer electronics (TVs in particular, with sparser ranges of models), etc.
Our currency routinely reaches or exceeds par with the US dollar, and yet many products are dramatically more expensive than you'd expect to be explained simply by currency differences alone (I guess there are a lot of other issues at play, but it doesn't help the widespread impression that we're getting screwed).
It would be awesome of your project also tracked how much more expensive products and/or services are in Canada than in the US.
You really need a more compact layout: If you want me to know what's not available in Canada, why can't I have the whole list at once? (I realize you might want the forum and news stuff - but perhaps cut a lot of the unnecessary whitespace (while still trying to keep the design spacious! :-) ).
I'm thinking I'll also add a drop-down menu around the top to let users jump to a service quickly (I've already got lots of feedback for other services to add so the page will just be getting longer).
(I think it's considerably easier to go from Canada to the US than in the opposite direction.)
Looking into it, apparently the CRTC believes that internet audio and video broadcasting services are under its jurisdiction, but it has exempted all such services from regulation. The notice is at http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1999/PB99-197.htm.
Other services such as telecom have to deal with Canadian collusion and protectionism towards the readily established telcorps. It's an uphill battle. One that Canadians have been paying the price for, with high wireless phone bills, high internet fees and the recent attempt at imposing Usage-Based Billing.
For example, as an Australian, I used to be able to watch whole episodes of Stewart & Colbert via the website. Then one of the local cable companies got the Australian rights to those shows and blam, no more easily-watched episodes for me.
As my previous comment indicated I know the hurt of learning about a product and finding out it's unavailable here. However, I understand the economics at work and feel that–while they're frustrating–they're totally understandable.
Minor note: the "Think something should be here? Contact us about it." link text was very hard to read (Chrome 10, OS X). Maybe it's too small for that font and weight.
a fact about which Canadians and other non-Americans never seem to tire of complaining, until the day they discover that the e-spigot has been shut-off for them, then it's whambulance time: "Where are my American TV shows and movies!"
My comment, based on a possibly faulty interpretation of your comment:
I don't feel entitled to get US media as a Canadian. It's just extremely prevalent. Our country watches CSI at the same time yours does, and American Idol, and pretty much everything else. So we get used to feeling like members of the US media market. Sure we have our Rick Mercer Report, et al, but the dominant media is American.
I certainly didn't mean to complain. I understand that negotiating distributions rights for a country a tenth the size isn't high on the priority list of US distributors. What I was trying to say is that it catches us of guard (though less and less frequently) to find that for online services we are often excluded when for so much of our daily media lives we are full-fledged, practicing Americans.
The real itch is that some of these services are available as long as I drive an hour south and get past the border and find open wi-fi.
Pretend you're an avid soccer fan. It's as if the world cup was on TV, and your friends are all crowding around it. All you get is the commentary and cheering when the ball is scored, but you can't actually see the game, since they're blocking the TV. And then when your friends ask you "Wasn't that a great game?", and all you can say is "Uhh...I think so?"
It's so close, yet so far.
Dominican't Republic, Vatican't City, and of course Can'tartica - a whole continent where most services are unavailable.
The UK doesn't have Pandora but it does have Spotify, and Canada has neither. Last.fm is gimped in Canada, compared to the service in the UK. Lovefilm in the UK has a wider selection for online streaming than Netflix does in Canada. As pointed out, you can't buy the Kindle natively in Canada (you have to import it from Amazon.com) but you can in the UK.
http://www.unblock-us.com/ lets you access American Netflix, Hulu, Pandora, ESPN3, etc etc. I'm not affiliated with them, but been using the service the past couple of months and it works amazingly. In fact I'm using American Netflix on my Xbox 360 as we speak. $5/month is a heck of a lot cheaper than moving to the states and I get to keep the free health care.
http://library.linode.com/networking/openvpn/
After spending too much time trying to figure it out, I decided to just spend just $55/year and use StrongVPN. Added bonus, I can use StrongVPN on my iPad/iPhone!
Perhaps Canadians can lobby their MPs to institute a national system providing every Canadian with a United States IP address. The Single-Payer-Proxy-System – or in French, Proxy Système à Payeur Unique (SPPS-PSPU). There's really no reason for the nation to stand for this sort of Canadophobic discrimination. Indeed, where are the national and provincial Human Rights Commissions on this important issue?
I'm not sure what those are or whether nafta was supposed to reduce them or what. Maybe its simply regulatory. Maybe everything has to be duplicated. Maybe Canadian companies like it the way it is.
A few ppl I know international did this to great success
There is a weekend project + app in that for someone if they want to automate it for tasks that require an inbound US #
disclaimer: I'm a founder there
The UK one doesn't support OSX, so I run them both from within a separate Windows VM if there's some restricted service I want to access. That way their VPN software doesn't get in the way of my other activities, and I only get ads injected within the VM.
My brother has a business DSL line, and that was enough for Hulu to decide that he's using a proxy and block him. They've repeatedly called support and support repeatedly told them to "stop using your proxy" (despite the fact that they are using no such thing.) So Hulu isn't at all afraid of false positives, and that kind of blanket ban should be effective unless unblock-us has a deal of some sort worked out.
UPDATE: Just signed up. They do actually seem to redirect the traffic from domains like hulu.com/pandora.com/... to IPs that run a squid proxy. My guess would be that they just redirect the queries for the geo-localization to their squid servers and allow you to pass those that way
In general, I'm surprised such services stick around at all. You'd think the MPAA etc. would contractually require Hulu, etc. to routinely get accounts with such services, use them to sniff out the IPs and block them. I guess that means proxies aren't (perceived) a big enough threat. Yet.
On the other hand, things like this make me slightly amused. It's good to see the corporations run into self-imposed problems from the same institution they otherwise typically profit from and prop up.
(info: developer of tarsnap is canadian, he has his reasons)
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/gp/rc4022/README.html
Edit: http://www.simonblog.com/2009/04/14/how-to-register-an-itune...
Edit: I should add that a lot of the things that are available on Amazon.com (the US site) won't ship to Canada. You don't even get the option to pay for extra shipping charges; it just won't ship, period.
Edit 2: An article about Amazon's efforts to deal with the "cultural protection rules" here, among other things (like foreign ownership issues): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/amazon-given-g...
I got a startup idea, why not compare all the things americans have that canadians don't and vise versa (aside from tech)...haha
who can fund it? I see zero's all over the place
http://business.transworld.net/59733/news/zappos-discontinui...