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Counterpoint:

Almost one third of Covid deaths in July and August 'primarily caused by other conditions'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-one-third-covid-deaths-155...

Source: Oxford University

1) The above statement presented by Yahoo from The Telegraph is not about California at all, but the UK.

2) The UK had in July and August around 13 deaths per day, or in total at that time around 2% of all UK reported Covid-19 related deaths. So translated, that report says that 0.6% of all UK reported deaths were 'primarily caused by other conditions'. Let me repeat: the Telegraph story is about zero-point-six percent, i.e. less than 1 percent, of all reported in the UK.

Either the Yahoo article misinterpreted the oxford study or the oxford study is bunk.

Because nationwide we are seeing hundreds of thousands of deaths more than we had seen by this time in previous years.

So if covid isn't responsible, then what mysterious thing had killed hundreds of thousands of more people this year vs last year?

Take one of the examples from that article, that some people may have died primarily from pneumonia rather than covid. I hope that wasn't from the oxford study, because pneumonia is an infection of the lungs. The infection can be bacterial, viral, or even fungal. It just means an infection of the lungs. And guess what, covid infects the lungs.

So you will commonly see pneumonia listed alongside covid.

You will also see cardio pulmonary arrest as a common cause of death listed along with covid.

Which means your heart and lungs stopped working. Which of course doesn't just happen and doesn't mean that covid wasn't the primary cause of death.

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> oxford study is bunk

We have Yahoo, Oxford, Telegraph on one side and jjeaff on the other.

I'm on the side of Oxford, Yahoo, and Telegraph.

Neither Yahoo nor The Telegraph make an estimate given in some Oxford study more valid. The study has to be evaluated for its own claims. The Telegraph can only be checked if they distorted the claims or introduced an additional bias. Yahoo just made a copy.

But still the Oxford claim it not about California at all, and it's about 0.6% of all reported Covid-19 deaths in the UK, meaning it's under the "noise" level of the real signal. It's about less than 300 deaths, in the country with reported 41000 Covid-19 deaths.

To compare, there are around 15000 reported Covid-19 deaths in California, so it would be about around 100 deaths in California, if it were possible to claim that there are similarities, and nobody can even claim that.

Jjeaff is getting his information from a preponderance of valid sources and not one study with a tiny sample size. I suggest you do the same.
And what happened 20 years ago?

In Sweden, deaths are at their highest level since 1993. What happened in 1993? A flu epidemic.