Could they be trying to make a point? About insurance abuses of this technology maybe? maybe not, could just be the algorithm failing. Or maybe they don't want to assume the liability of actually providing a number.
Yikes. Thanks, I'll look into it. The terms and conditions have no influence on this, but it could that that one of the scores required to create the life expectancy prediction is missing (age, gender, bmi, country).
Does it fall back to US if the IP address can't be used? Because this would be the first time a GeoIP database would move my EU IP address to the US...
It looks like they're trying to guess at your life expectancy through your country, which they're guessing at using your IP address, which they can only get at if you agreed to the terms and conditions
That was simply amazing. Having the video guide you through all the machine learning prediction steps as they got analyzed on your video feed worked flawless, both in terms of technical execution but also presentatio nwise.
They also made some great points about how ridiculous some of these algorithms are (shake your head to lose 10 years of age, or just trying to predict BMI from a face photo)
And I was surprised to know that this has made its way into hiring! So, the job hunt is going to get even more superfluous? Really reminds me of that Episode in Black Mirror, where everything depends on your rating..
Age and gender are derived using the FaceApiJS project. In my own experience it's doesn't vary as wildly if you're a white male. With other ethnicities the predictability levels can drop, especially if you're Asian.
Yeah, if you train a model with pictures of the same person, or maybe their family, you may be able to guess the BMI from the face, after all, the face stores fat in a non linear way.
But I remember back in college a friend was severely overweight and eventually he was motivated to lose weight. Diet and exercise details aside, in a couple of years he became a BMI 28, but very low fat, ripped and chiseled muscled up individual. But interestingly, he mostly kept his fat person face, those cheeks, while they shrank, weren't going away.
Accuracy side, I thought the presentation was excellent! I really like the explanation playing while the analysis is taking place. I’m totally going to steal this presentation idea.
I suspect someone has tried to manipulate their score. I found one database entry that had only an extreme beauty score. I've hardened the system against this now.
I share your concern and decided to not try the website. The site said no personal data is collected, and if we opt to share our data, it would be anonimized. Well yeah, but how about browser fingerprint? is that considered as a personal data? or if it's collected at all?
edit:
Okay, I succumbed to my curiosity and decided to try it but with all my connection turned off. As far as my obeservation goes, at least there are no ajax call from this site and everything is functioning even without connection.
This is an art project by Tijmen Schep that shows how face detection algoritms are increasingly used to judge you.
No personal data is sent to our server in any way. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. All the face detection algorithms will run on your own computer, in the browser.
In this 'test' your face is compared with that of all the the other people who have previously done this test. At the end of the show you can, if you want to, share some anonimized data. That will then be used to re-calculate the new average. That anonymous data is not shared any further.
I don't trust elites or any product which quickly gets popular on any form of mainstream media. There is so much dirty money flowing around and most of it goes to lying psychopaths (the selection bias for psychopathy is systemic and seemingly intentional).
Our modern economic growth is founded on coercing people into continuing to accept currencies which keep getting dirtier and which keep losing their value.
It's 100% about coercion, manipulation and gate keeping. If you can't figure out what the product is that they're selling, you're the product.
the only data I reported was my age... and it had some big misses, like BMI being much less than it really is just because of beard. Also it said my life expentancy is going to be up to 81 years old, when in reality I will live forever :')
Nice project :) Too bad it doesn't say how old it thinks you are though (or I missed it) All I know now is that it thinks I lied about my age, which I didn't.
Ah, this one couldn't find my face. It kept focusing on my left ear and gave it a 5 for attractiveness. Then it couldn't find my face any longer. There was another fun one posted here months ago [1].
I wanna say I'm disappointed, but I'd be lying. I'm happy that A.I. cannot detect us black people. I'll need to do something about that left ear though.
The only person I know who did something about his left ear, did admirable. Just don’t wrap the ear in a newspaper and hand it to a prostitute, as I doubt that sort of thing will work out well in these modern times.
> Vincent took the ear and wrapped it in newspaper. With a hat pulled down over his wound, he, with ear in hand, left the house to go to a “maison de tolerance”, a brothel close to the house. There he asked for a girl named Rachel who he gave the ear to saying “Guard this object carefully.”
Cannot decide if I should respond with a meme reference to Samual L. Jackson asking "Does he look like a *?" or ask "Do you also cook? Do you have a deep voice? Are we only used to seeing your torso and your hands? Do you have a popular YouTube show?"
But frankly, that's interesting the accommodation you have to make for an algorithm to play with your daughter. I wonder what other accommodations people make in life because of algorithms.
You may enjoy this blogpost I made that goes into how the BMI prediction algorithm was developed. It's the only one in the project that I trained myself.
Like you said, muscles matter quite a bit. It's attractive to use photos af athletes to train the algorithm, because there are a lot of websites that show their photos along with their weight and height (which you need to calculate a BMI). But since muscles weigh so much more than fat, athletes have high BMI with slim bodies, which warps the algorithm.
I didn't use athletes for this reason (it's trained on a diet of 50% Chinese celebrities and 50% American arrest records). But I found projects that do use these photos.
What a great website and cool way to present a technical topic. Online education is still in its infancy and when we talk nowadays about good examples of online education, we usually think of videos and (in the best case) of websites where students can play with interactive models, solve exercises, etc. But this website demonstrates that you can still go mucher further in involving the listener as a person.
This of course requires an enormous effort in the preparation of the material.
I wish I'd known about the Javascript face analysis beforehand! And also how hard it would be to learn Javascript ;) And how to do that cool embedded video thing.
The immediate feedback about how I did is nice, but also may pollute the data in a way. Once I got it right, I new to retry a very similar expression for the next 1-2 tries.
But then, most people might actually know how to make human expressions naturally. Personally, I appreciated this as a tool to help me learn how to human. :-)
This website doesn't work at all for me (Safari, iOS 13). After asking for permission the video becomes modal and impossible to close, completely hijacking my browser and forcing me to quit the app. That's the state of JS in 2020 I guess.
The interaction heat map blocks the Skip button. I just wanted to see the score so I skipped all the talk but that also meant that my skipping made me unable to skip after that step.
So apparently the algorithms say I'm almost 10 years younger than I actually am (late 20s, algos say I'm just about to get my student driver's license).
I wanted to see how much the camera quality affects these scores so I wanted to try on mobile but I can't get it to switch to the front camera.
211 comments
[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 246 ms ] threadThey also made some great points about how ridiculous some of these algorithms are (shake your head to lose 10 years of age, or just trying to predict BMI from a face photo)
Just something to think about.
Also it called me ugly :<
Edit:
I just ran the website for a second time and didn't change my clothes or anything, and it gave me very different results.
ie. gender, age, bmi, attractiveness all different.
I don't think the ratings for this is very stable & reproducible.
at least it rated my girlfriend as abnormally attractive. :)
Great site. Thank you for sharing it.
I think that's part of the point though -- the claim is that these are being used, regardless of how predictable they are.
It points it out by "raising your eyebrows to make it think you're less fat" and "move your head around to change your age".
But I remember back in college a friend was severely overweight and eventually he was motivated to lose weight. Diet and exercise details aside, in a couple of years he became a BMI 28, but very low fat, ripped and chiseled muscled up individual. But interestingly, he mostly kept his fat person face, those cheeks, while they shrank, weren't going away.
Great website to share with my non-tech friends and family, they're tired of my rants but this is very well articulated.
Any chances of including other languages for wider reach?
abnormally young, which is a normal observation by others of me.
The life expectancy is probably fair even though
BMI is just about right, 19.6
Am not a good boy :-D
This is fascinating and I also approve of the cause and message. Yet more reasons to have a simple camera cover.
https://hypebeast.com/2019/7/faceapp-120-million-users-faces...
If you have all the original metadata in a typical smartphone camera JPEG, then things like the info below is available:
- camera model
- phone model
- time & date of when the picture was taken
- geo-location of where the picture was taken
I would say for anyone motivated enough that is pretty easily identifiable.
edit: bullet points formatting
edit2: lewispollard rightly pointed out that I should read before writing. :)
edit: Okay, I succumbed to my curiosity and decided to try it but with all my connection turned off. As far as my obeservation goes, at least there are no ajax call from this site and everything is functioning even without connection.
This is an art project by Tijmen Schep that shows how face detection algoritms are increasingly used to judge you.
No personal data is sent to our server in any way. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. All the face detection algorithms will run on your own computer, in the browser.
In this 'test' your face is compared with that of all the the other people who have previously done this test. At the end of the show you can, if you want to, share some anonimized data. That will then be used to re-calculate the new average. That anonymous data is not shared any further.
Were you able to select the other camera if you reloaded the page?
I'm just going to assume I look like I'm 20
I wanna say I'm disappointed, but I'd be lying. I'm happy that A.I. cannot detect us black people. I'll need to do something about that left ear though.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21337863
After googling: Yep, that's a van Gogh reference.
https://www.vangoghgallery.com/misc/van-goghs-ear.html
> Vincent took the ear and wrapped it in newspaper. With a hat pulled down over his wound, he, with ear in hand, left the house to go to a “maison de tolerance”, a brothel close to the house. There he asked for a girl named Rachel who he gave the ear to saying “Guard this object carefully.”
I'm extremely nearsighted so through the glasses my face looks smaller than it actually is. The outlines of my face are shifted.
Whenever my gfs daughter wanted to play with snapchat and me I had to take off the glasses for it to work.
Cannot decide if I should respond with a meme reference to Samual L. Jackson asking "Does he look like a *?" or ask "Do you also cook? Do you have a deep voice? Are we only used to seeing your torso and your hands? Do you have a popular YouTube show?"
But frankly, that's interesting the accommodation you have to make for an algorithm to play with your daughter. I wonder what other accommodations people make in life because of algorithms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d16LNHIEJzs
Is there some extremely difficult algorithmic problem preventing these systems from working on people with darker skin?
I had presumed it was a long corrected oversight but it still appears to be a problem.
Please excuse me if this is totally wrong and I sound ignorant, I assure you I am...
https://www.sherpapieces.eu/overview/predicting-your-bmi-fro...
Like you said, muscles matter quite a bit. It's attractive to use photos af athletes to train the algorithm, because there are a lot of websites that show their photos along with their weight and height (which you need to calculate a BMI). But since muscles weigh so much more than fat, athletes have high BMI with slim bodies, which warps the algorithm.
I didn't use athletes for this reason (it's trained on a diet of 50% Chinese celebrities and 50% American arrest records). But I found projects that do use these photos.
It would have been interesting to see some summary statistics for each of the predictions.
This of course requires an enormous effort in the preparation of the material.
https://www.doesmyrobotunderstand.me/ (please, feel free! We need subjects...)
I wish I'd known about the Javascript face analysis beforehand! And also how hard it would be to learn Javascript ;) And how to do that cool embedded video thing.
I wanted to see how much the camera quality affects these scores so I wanted to try on mobile but I can't get it to switch to the front camera.
Our brave new world of "computer said so"…
Great presentation though, kudos!
It also tells me my BMI is about 9 points lower than reality which is also fun.
And that I've got as long left to live as I have lived already which is pretty awesome.
But it also tells me I'm ugly, which isn't so much fun :P
At least it correctly identified me as a man with 97% certainty. So I can stop worrying about that now :D
As well algorithm thinks that I'm quite ugly. Well, I don't care even if algorithm is right, as algorithm is not my second wife.
* 5.5 with glasses, 7.5 without. Glad I wear contacts, I guess.
* Age predicted: 20, truth: 30+
* BMI predicted: 18.7, truth: 22