> Maybe we didn’t earn our successes… but is that such a bad thing?
> Sometimes Imposter Syndrome is about accepting that life is unfair.
I love how this kind of reasoning co-exists with, while being seemingly completely oblivious of, the narrative about privilege, that modern sin in the church of social justice. If you didn't earn your success, and are where you are because life is unfair, does this make you privileged? If so, is this bad? The article doesn't seem to think so. If not, why are other manifestations of privilege bad?
All things being equal, then unfairness should be spread evenly. If certain groups are always experience the same privilege then there is no social justice and the system itself perpetuates inequality - not randomness.
But if the unfairness is spread evenly, then it's not really unfair, is it? Everyone being an "impostor" means that no one is and everyone just needs to adjust their expectations downward the same amount.
How can unfairness be spread "evenly" when it is a amorphous, unique, and situational impression? Also, isn't that like a wrong rationalizing its existence by another wrong?
Let us consider unfairness such as forcing a kid to ride a bus 3 hours per day when there is a perfectly good school next door they can't attend because they're Asian. Does that "fix" segregation because it's an "equal" unfairness too?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
> I love how this kind of reasoning co-exists with, while being seemingly completely oblivious of, the narrative about privilege, that modern sin in the church of social justice
I think you are mixing up two things. The society as a whole and the individual.
Imposter Syndrome is about individual perceived guilt, which serves no purpose. Social justice is (or shoud be) about systemic issues.
I am privileged, that doesn't mean that I don't want more social justice or have to feel guilty. I don't believe that the whole society is a zero sum game.
Tangent, but characterizing privilege as “that modern sin in the church of social justice” is a strawman.
Privilege at the individual level isn’t inherently bad or good, it just is.
For example, say you had a privileged upbringing: you were never hungry, didn’t have to work in highschool, and had money to participate in after school activities. That made it easier for you to get into a top school compared to someone without those advantages. That is not a sin or a flaw, and it doesn’t make you a bad person.
Now you can (and I would) say that this kind of privilege should be counteracted at the systemic level, by better funding public schools for example.
> Now you can (and I would) say that this kind of privilege should be counteracted at the systemic level
I am probably dumb, but I can't help but regard the society as a large collection of individuals. If we accept the unfairness at the scale of a single individual, at which scale do we start getting troubled by the unfairness, and why?
Further, there are numerous occurrences where "the systemic level" and "the individual level" collide. Perhaps the most familiar examples are hiring, admissions, or promotion practices. For every given instance, you are hiring (admitting, promoting) an individual. So to "counteract" the unfairness at the systemic level you might have to be actively unfair at the individual level. It's a bit like the infamous trolley problem all over again.
Individualistic thinking is a hallmark of american culture, so I don’t blame you!
You’re right that society is made up of individuals, but it’s also made up of rules, incentives, and resource distribution that influence the behavior of those individuals. That’s what I (and most SJWs or whatever you want to call them) want to change.
We want to change the systems over the individual for two reasons:
1. generally, changing the systems is more impactful
2. changing individuals’ behavior en masse without touching the systems that influence their behavior is next to impossible.
For an example of trying and failing to do #2, look at how unsuccessful we’ve been at trying to save the planet by altering consumer choices. It’s been 20+ years and what do we have to show for it? Compostable straws and reusable bags? Compare that to something like a carbon tax which attacks the problem at the systemic level and would start making change immediately.
As for your point about the systemic and individual levels colliding and causing unfair effects at the individual level, I’d guess that we have different perspectives on what is fair at the individual level.
I think the key to impostor syndrome lies in one of the author's sentences:
"Your sense that you’re not the expert/rockstar/whatever thing everyone says you are might be true."
The more your identity is based on the subjective interpretation of what other people think of you and your skills, the more at risk of impostor syndrome you are. If your identity revolves around grades, grants, auditions, reviews, etc.- you're in a high-risk group for feeling like you don't deserve anything you have.
I don't understand this acceptance of meritless praise, much like body positivity towards the morbidly obese who are on the verge of dying. It's tantamount to rationalizing cheating on a test person gets a job versus those who do all of the work do not.
Also, if someone believes they're not an expert at something, then maybe that's a clue to master it rather than riding on the coattails of image or happenstance?
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 32.4 ms ] thread> Sometimes Imposter Syndrome is about accepting that life is unfair.
I love how this kind of reasoning co-exists with, while being seemingly completely oblivious of, the narrative about privilege, that modern sin in the church of social justice. If you didn't earn your success, and are where you are because life is unfair, does this make you privileged? If so, is this bad? The article doesn't seem to think so. If not, why are other manifestations of privilege bad?
Let us consider unfairness such as forcing a kid to ride a bus 3 hours per day when there is a perfectly good school next door they can't attend because they're Asian. Does that "fix" segregation because it's an "equal" unfairness too?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
I think you are mixing up two things. The society as a whole and the individual.
Imposter Syndrome is about individual perceived guilt, which serves no purpose. Social justice is (or shoud be) about systemic issues.
I am privileged, that doesn't mean that I don't want more social justice or have to feel guilty. I don't believe that the whole society is a zero sum game.
Privilege at the individual level isn’t inherently bad or good, it just is.
For example, say you had a privileged upbringing: you were never hungry, didn’t have to work in highschool, and had money to participate in after school activities. That made it easier for you to get into a top school compared to someone without those advantages. That is not a sin or a flaw, and it doesn’t make you a bad person.
Now you can (and I would) say that this kind of privilege should be counteracted at the systemic level, by better funding public schools for example.
I don’t think those two ideas are in conflict.
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> Now you can (and I would) say that this kind of privilege should be counteracted at the systemic level
I am probably dumb, but I can't help but regard the society as a large collection of individuals. If we accept the unfairness at the scale of a single individual, at which scale do we start getting troubled by the unfairness, and why?
Further, there are numerous occurrences where "the systemic level" and "the individual level" collide. Perhaps the most familiar examples are hiring, admissions, or promotion practices. For every given instance, you are hiring (admitting, promoting) an individual. So to "counteract" the unfairness at the systemic level you might have to be actively unfair at the individual level. It's a bit like the infamous trolley problem all over again.
You’re right that society is made up of individuals, but it’s also made up of rules, incentives, and resource distribution that influence the behavior of those individuals. That’s what I (and most SJWs or whatever you want to call them) want to change.
We want to change the systems over the individual for two reasons: 1. generally, changing the systems is more impactful 2. changing individuals’ behavior en masse without touching the systems that influence their behavior is next to impossible.
For an example of trying and failing to do #2, look at how unsuccessful we’ve been at trying to save the planet by altering consumer choices. It’s been 20+ years and what do we have to show for it? Compostable straws and reusable bags? Compare that to something like a carbon tax which attacks the problem at the systemic level and would start making change immediately.
As for your point about the systemic and individual levels colliding and causing unfair effects at the individual level, I’d guess that we have different perspectives on what is fair at the individual level.
"Your sense that you’re not the expert/rockstar/whatever thing everyone says you are might be true."
The more your identity is based on the subjective interpretation of what other people think of you and your skills, the more at risk of impostor syndrome you are. If your identity revolves around grades, grants, auditions, reviews, etc.- you're in a high-risk group for feeling like you don't deserve anything you have.
Also, if someone believes they're not an expert at something, then maybe that's a clue to master it rather than riding on the coattails of image or happenstance?