I've been tracking the "millionaires' club" --- countries with at least 1 million confirmed cases.
Mexico had been lining up to be the next member, in about 8 days, first noted 2 weeks ago. Italy is now rocketing past Mexico, and will pass 1m cases in 3 days. That caught me by surprise.
You should be thankful to have such strong and rational voices (Drosten and co) in the public discourse in Germany. I think that's one of the differences with France.
I once thought this way too, based on common cold and flu spikes coinciding with onset of school. But that's also when kids are all on top of each other all the time.
We should sooner completely shutdown bars and restaurants before shutting down schools. Especially elementary school kids. They need to be in school more than we need entertainment.
I think more frequent, even if less accurate, testing would significantly help mitigate the spread by further isolating those who have a higher degree of likelihood for being contagious.
> Sending kids to school has to be the stupidest idea during this pandemic.
It's only the stupidest idea if you see it as 'low or medium cost' - if you see it as a high cost then you can understand that there is a strategic trade-off to be made (kids staying at home would clearly have a high benefit for controlling the pandemic, so that is the trade off).
A generation of students losing a year of high-quality education could represent a huge long-term cost, particularly considering that a lot of Europe's business is knowledge-work, and the impact education has on quality of life / socioeconomic factors.
Adding to that, kids at home blocks some adults who can work from working, and there is a multiplier effect.
I'm not saying it's the right decision, but to claim that it's "the stupidest decision" makes it sound like it's a no-brainer when I'm not sure it is.
I've seen polls on some news sites in the Netherlands which seem to be 70% in favour of the government actions and 30% against. Seems "the silent majority" really want the government to do "something".
The Netherlands problem is that the (central) government actually doesnt have the right to legislate anything like this, so it keeps sending out strongly worded recommendations that can and are interpreted any way people feel fit. Which makes things very unclear for everyone.
They've been working on giving themselves any formal power since march, but nothing has gone through yet. That's why I think many are dying for them to make some actual laws and be done with it, even if they're strict.
De wet is eindelijk ingediend, maar wanneer er gestemd gaat worden? Er is vziw nog geen datum. Dus, vooralsnog geen wet in werking. Het ZML stukje gisteren vatte de verwarring mooi samen.
The big difference between the US and EU is that most EU countries have instituted a much stronger populist response (eg 80% wages for unemployment that is still ongoing).
Of course people are more supportive if their livelihoods and mortgages aren’t at risk.
Yeah; it was pretty obvious in mid-August that the spring peak had been sorta (there's a lot more testing now) surpassed and growth was going exponential.
Schools are still open, the lockdown is pretty useless without schools remaining closed. Kids are asymptomatic carriers and infect their parents back home.
1. Linking to a such a long and broad-coverage page such as that isn't very helpful
2. Maybe it was cut off on your screen but under heading "Cases per day" there certainly has been a second peak after the first (24 June, 1698 cases per day) on 23 Oct, with 1870 cases per day. Very much appears like a second wave despite remaining relatively high in the "down" period with 300-case peaks every week between the two highs.
3. Not sure what policy they changed after the first peak but there is a significant drop after that through early-mid July.
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[ 4.3 ms ] story [ 74.8 ms ] threadMexico had been lining up to be the next member, in about 8 days, first noted 2 weeks ago. Italy is now rocketing past Mexico, and will pass 1m cases in 3 days. That caught me by surprise.
https://rys.io/covid/#linear;italy,mexico
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/mexico/
France's new daily cases have been more than India.
I think Jo(h)n Snow ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Snow or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Snow_(character) ) would agree.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/poland/
https://xkcd.com/552/
We should sooner completely shutdown bars and restaurants before shutting down schools. Especially elementary school kids. They need to be in school more than we need entertainment.
I think more frequent, even if less accurate, testing would significantly help mitigate the spread by further isolating those who have a higher degree of likelihood for being contagious.
It's only the stupidest idea if you see it as 'low or medium cost' - if you see it as a high cost then you can understand that there is a strategic trade-off to be made (kids staying at home would clearly have a high benefit for controlling the pandemic, so that is the trade off).
A generation of students losing a year of high-quality education could represent a huge long-term cost, particularly considering that a lot of Europe's business is knowledge-work, and the impact education has on quality of life / socioeconomic factors.
Adding to that, kids at home blocks some adults who can work from working, and there is a multiplier effect.
I'm not saying it's the right decision, but to claim that it's "the stupidest decision" makes it sound like it's a no-brainer when I'm not sure it is.
They've been working on giving themselves any formal power since march, but nothing has gone through yet. That's why I think many are dying for them to make some actual laws and be done with it, even if they're strict.
[1] https://stichting-nice.nl
Of course people are more supportive if their livelihoods and mortgages aren’t at risk.
Mask compliance is patchy at best even in places like shops where lockdown rules say it’s compulsory
https://imgur.com/d2mLyhY
2. Maybe it was cut off on your screen but under heading "Cases per day" there certainly has been a second peak after the first (24 June, 1698 cases per day) on 23 Oct, with 1870 cases per day. Very much appears like a second wave despite remaining relatively high in the "down" period with 300-case peaks every week between the two highs.
3. Not sure what policy they changed after the first peak but there is a significant drop after that through early-mid July.