Same here in socal, and look at those report numbers. Baseline 30, now almost 190,000 reports. I wonder what could be going on to cause this level of global service degradation.
Perhaps related, I uploaded a video earlier today that took nearly 4 hours to process, though it was only ten minutes long.
Microservices in action! Can visit the site, see comments, but can't play videos. Go to twitter, check the latest tweets containing "youtube down", thousands of results coming.
Now I know why I used to download all my favorite videos to USB/SSD!
GCP doesn't consider it to be an "outage" if you are able to access a website (e.g "youtube.com") and get a 200 OK response. So, when you go to the status page for the cloud service, it will show green checkmarks, meaning everything is ok.
But, the video you are trying to watch won't load, and will throw a 500 error. But this isn't considered downtime, for them.
Yeah I've had nothing but grief with those outage detectors. They seem to be really optimistic and not take into account the web of CDN's that contribute to the 'uptime' of a website
Same here in socal, and look at those DownDetector report numbers[0]. Baseline 30, now almost 200,000 reports. I wonder what could be going on to cause this level of global service degradation.
Perhaps related, I uploaded a video earlier today that took nearly 4 hours to process, though it was only ten minutes long.
Seems like just the video player is down - homepage loads with thumbnails, and when you click on a video, everything but the video player renders. What I find interesting is that scrolling through a video still displays closed captions and even the thumbnail preview of the timestamp you're hovering over. Curious if anyone know what causes something like this?
Captions and thumbnails come from a different part of the CDN. Same with Netflix. The videos come from devices dedicated to large files, the captions and thumbnails come from a CDN designed for small files.
You can firewall their devices. I used to do that to my dad's cloud-based cameras back when I was in highschool. He never figured it out. Always assumed it was the ISP's fault.
You may want to invest in an IQrouter or an equivalent DIY, though if you DIY and your issue is wifi congestion you'll find that only applying fq_codel to the modem side won't help with the wifi side.
I vpn'd around, this appears to be global. While reading something unrelated my video suddenly started playing.
I think it's load balancer related for whatever is serving their videos
EDIT: Once you have a connection you appear to keep it the entire way through (at least it did for me with youtubedl). Something related to connection queueing...
Downdetector seems like a great place to advertise. You have a bunch of people who were forced to abandon the provider of whatever type of service that your company may offer. What a great opportunity to show customers your competing product.
LBRY and Bitchute can automatically mirror your YT channel, and IIUC the former can also automatically upload videos to YouTube, maybe even on a customizable delay. Some decent sized channels like minutephysics use LBRY, but even though anecdotal accounts report much higher revenue per view and no decrease in YouTube exposure, it’s still certainly a uphill battle to compete with a de facto monopoly that can afford to hemorrhage money and just get more from a massive gatekeeper of the web.
YouTube is the one-stop-shop of internet videos. Any specific niche has a competitor, but none of them seriously competes with the whole of YouTube.
I noticed the outage because I wanted to watch a stream, so I might go to Twitch now. Often I use Youtube for music, where Spotify is a solid alternative with many of the same creators. If I want to see that video from reddit of people throwing burning flares at a balcony I can probably find it on LiveLeak. Many of the educational channels I've subscribed are also on Nebula, but I could also watch a documentary on Netflix or Disney+ instead.
My daughter could not do her homework assignment, her Google classroom is linked to YouTube. Thank goodness I was able to find the video she was looking for on Dailymotion. I haven’t been to the site in over 10 years
> Wow, the front page of bitchute is 100% conspiracy. Is that... umm... what it's known for?
When your main differentiator is "free speech" and your competitors don't actually restrict the speech they carry that much, you're pretty much only going to get the dross that was cast off the other platforms and very little else.
I guess that there are a lot of fringe channels on Bitchute that are banned or restricted on Youtube or Facebook Video.
But Youtube doesn't only ban conspiracists and hate speech. They also will restrict content that violates their community standards such as explicit instructions on slaughtering chickens on a farm, or how to field-dress a deer when hunting.
Even the Rob the Ranger channel has had videos taken down for inappropriately explicit content, when showing lions mating for example.
Youtube throws a wide net, and thus rather unfairly censors innocent content. Bitchute, peertube, etc. provide alternative ways to get that content online while you're waiting patiently for your appeal to go through.
And yeah, there's some content that the monitors at Youtube consider objectionable and will never be allowed, and maybe should never be allowed -- snuff films, child porn, terrorism how-to training guides, stuff like that. But I think Bitchute also takes down such content.
The only time I've used it is for inrange.tv content that isn't allowed on YouTube - things like uncensored gun manufacturing or assembly instructions.
And we know that it isn't flat throughout the day. I imagine this is probably peak earning time for them, assuming they bulk of the revenue is US based.
MM looks like "million million" to me, which is the old standard for billion but nowadays a billion is just a thousand million and a million million is a trillion and I am constantly feeling frustrated about how wasteful we are with words for big numbers.
"M" is the roman numeral for thousand. It is therefore ambiguous. Especially when dealing with money, you really don't want a million to be confused with a thousand.
What about the new users visiting the site for the 1st time in that small downtime window? If their first experience sucks there is likelihood they won't come back.
So:
(number of new users) x (probability of those users not coming back) x (lifetime value of a youtube user) = I highly doubt this is equal to 0
On client side looks like requests for the video stream return 502 'bad gateway'.
I actually get back a little webpage it says:
502. That’s an error.
The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request.
Please try again in 30 seconds. That’s all we know.
That's fair, but Google's BGP errors tend to be global. To my knowledge they've never killed their CDN and not everything else. (I have no non-public knowledge, I just pay attention).
Captions, thumbnails, webpage html, etc. come from a different part of the CDN. Same with Netflix. The videos come from devices dedicated to large files, the captions and thumbnails come from a CDN designed for small files.
CORS errors are false positives for a large amount of causes. For example, if loading a website causes an 502 or other error, that might not set the required CORS header, thus making it illegal for javascript to access the response in a number of ways.
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Edit: Err, probably more serious
If it happens, though, my paranoia is going to climb dramatically...
Perhaps related, I uploaded a video earlier today that took nearly 4 hours to process, though it was only ten minutes long.
Now I know why I used to download all my favorite videos to USB/SSD!
But, the video you are trying to watch won't load, and will throw a 500 error. But this isn't considered downtime, for them.
Yeah I've had nothing but grief with those outage detectors. They seem to be really optimistic and not take into account the web of CDN's that contribute to the 'uptime' of a website
Perhaps related, I uploaded a video earlier today that took nearly 4 hours to process, though it was only ten minutes long.
[0]: https://downdetector.com/status/youtube/
[0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/jsjwzq/youtube_dow...
videos however come from redirector.googlevideo.com/videoplayback
Just a guess.
Now to be fair, When in a meeting, I’ve al had to track down the kids and all devises that could possibly access YouTube.
After a really bad hour of Zoom; I leaned that you can watch YouTube on the switch. Clever kids.
I locked away a 10 year kindle just out of principe for that one.
I think it's load balancer related for whatever is serving their videos
EDIT: Once you have a connection you appear to keep it the entire way through (at least it did for me with youtubedl). Something related to connection queueing...
(I have no idea whether YT revenue is meaningful for smaller players, to be clear; I suspect not, but I also suspect it's worse elsewhere.)
https://www.winamp.com/
There's a 2018 copyright date in the footer, so I guess that's as alive as it needs to be.
I noticed the outage because I wanted to watch a stream, so I might go to Twitch now. Often I use Youtube for music, where Spotify is a solid alternative with many of the same creators. If I want to see that video from reddit of people throwing burning flares at a balcony I can probably find it on LiveLeak. Many of the educational channels I've subscribed are also on Nebula, but I could also watch a documentary on Netflix or Disney+ instead.
When your main differentiator is "free speech" and your competitors don't actually restrict the speech they carry that much, you're pretty much only going to get the dross that was cast off the other platforms and very little else.
But Youtube doesn't only ban conspiracists and hate speech. They also will restrict content that violates their community standards such as explicit instructions on slaughtering chickens on a farm, or how to field-dress a deer when hunting.
Even the Rob the Ranger channel has had videos taken down for inappropriately explicit content, when showing lions mating for example.
Youtube throws a wide net, and thus rather unfairly censors innocent content. Bitchute, peertube, etc. provide alternative ways to get that content online while you're waiting patiently for your appeal to go through.
And yeah, there's some content that the monitors at Youtube consider objectionable and will never be allowed, and maybe should never be allowed -- snuff films, child porn, terrorism how-to training guides, stuff like that. But I think Bitchute also takes down such content.
> YouTube ads generated $15.15 billion in revenue in fiscal year 2019.
So plugged into wolfram alpha:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/? i=15.15+billion+dollars+per+number+of+seconds+in+a+year
They lose about $480 per second or $1.7MM per hour. Yikes.
But I think in this context MM is a million.
So:
(number of new users) x (probability of those users not coming back) x (lifetime value of a youtube user) = I highly doubt this is equal to 0
I actually get back a little webpage it says:
How old is this? I think I've always seen this error message from Google. It's at least 15 years old.
Will be looking forward to their report.
Usually this type of site-wide outage is always related to networking.
BGP, not sure. Google practices SDN. So their software error can rekt a large chunk of infrastructure...
Seattle.
EDITs: More specific in location.