Nice. Can you also promote Foss apps while you are at it instead of pushing for more proprietary hacks in exchange of foreign proprietary hacks? Money will flow on its own.
Is it? If everyone in a country used FOSS apps rather than paying (in money, data, or letting ads into their heads) for proprietary ones, wouldn't that country's people be better off?
And nobody's saying there can't be indian-made FOSS.
Unless you're talking about the government putting its own interests above the people's, which makes sense.
If you look at the list of apps, pretty much all of them requires some kind of back-end. Even if its 100% FOSS, the back end will cost money. Therefore someone has to pay for it somehow and someone will profit.
Its obvious to their best interest that the one that profit is an Indian company, with ties to the government.
It isn't that simple - Governments require Support, Scale, Stability, and Usability. FOSS lacks in all four, unless someone picks up the Support tab, makes the app scale to several billion people, ensure upgrades don't break functionality, and makes the app actually usable all citizens.
As a consequence, the app may be free in theory, but the Support and other contracts cost a lot of money. As it is often said Linux is free if your time has no value.
Who said about not charging fees? There are hundreds of apps that are Foss on f droid but charge a fees for some features on play store. It works for them, why cant TNT be replicated ? A total win win.
I wonder how long it will be until every country just has its own segregated internet. Will it happen on its own for economic reasons or will it take a real war that involves massive hacking attacks from both sides?
Please don't frame a political thing as inevitable, unless you want to contribute to it happening or persisting. "I wonder if every country will... how long might that take?" avoids that problem.
Yes, I'm quibbling about words. In politics words aren't separate from reality.
I don't get the downvotes. This is a perfectly logical position. Looking back, the fall of the Berlin wall may seem predictable, but who would have forecast it in 1988?
Yes, I remember the 80s, and the USSR was one of those things you just assumed would be around for the foreseeable future, like marijuana prohibition (though for that one there was more of an inkling of possibility given more time). What you can say "within reason" depends on what you think everyone else thinks you can say, so equilibria are both really stable and subject to surprising flips when they finally tip over -- sort of like digital logic.
on small scale, consistently ignore and boycott all attempts by governments to do so. They are not allmighty, they cannot place an armed cop behind every single citicen. If you are in a country that has some functioning democratic institutions, you may also try using them
Also, work to increase the democraticness of institutions in your country so that it may be changed in the future, and work to change people's thoughts on matters so they grow the will to change things.
It all started with great firewall of china, didn't it ? The segregation of internet for political purposes has been there for number of years. (aka. china blocks FB,Google and wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma... ). rest of the world is catching up to their playbook
Agree! In these games, you only need one player who plays foul and the rules have to be changed for everyone.
Having said that, The Great Firewall is the best thing CCP has done to protect itself, by a long shot. Had it not done so, China would be, at best, full of riots and uprisings and protests everywhere as foreign interests mobilized locals to act against the CCP using anti-CCP propaganda in their social media.
are you sure that would happen? Make no mistake, I get that Western powers do have cultural and economic agendas (McDonald republics and such). But if you look at Japan and South Korea, they didn't really have significant protests or any "installed leaders".
The US hated Shinzo Abe for the longest damn time, didn't stop him from being re-elected multiple times.
Also, its not appropriate to call the forces still in Japan an "occupying army". There is a joint forces treaty in place, and Japan has multiple times refused to amend Article 9 of their constitution
In South Korea, they've deposed the previous President. Seems like the US is doing a bad job installing leaders there.
Yes, there are forces which are fighting to kick out the occupying forces and there are forces keeping them in check. Long gone are the days of occupying forces marching and parading. It's shadow governments and pawns now.
Anti-CCP propaganda like rule of law, free elections, not having a dictator run the country, right to clean air and clean water. That propaganda sounds extremely dangerous to the first-degree relatives of CCP becoming billionaires off the working masses. I live in a western city, full of 18 year old students driving Porsche's, whose parents are in the CCP. Every time I see that, I feel bad for the peasants in the countryside toiling away in the countryside.
In my opinion it started earlier than that and began with the Five Eyes hoovering up data. This lead to the realization of 'huh, if we can do it to others, others might be able to do it to us'.
india has a lot of muslims, and muslims are not happy with the ummah being put into concentration camps. seems logical that a country with one of the largest muslim populations in the world, in the largest democracy in the world would start protesting against china.
This move is less about muslims and more about countering china's recent aggression in the border as pointed out in other comment. Chinese are occupying sizable Indian land since the pandemic broke and has been involved in unprovoked aggression in the border. This move is more of a soft ball approach to counter those aggression.
While this may be the case, the Indian government was happy to turn a blind eye to the situation in Xinjiang till recently, when relations with China were good. Now that relations have soured, India is keen to highlight every stain on China's record.
i wonder how long it will take until humanity dies out due to our stupidity. i think the chances for that are much larger than the chances for a segregated internet. i mean worst case we can setup our own internet. all you need is somebody with a lot of money and also willing to create a fully transparent system. imagine not even needing top domains. thatwouldbeamazing.
"This action was taken based on the inputs regarding these apps for engaging in activities which are prejudicial to sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of state and public order."
Just for background: These actions are targeted against Chinese companies, in the continued battle by Indian government to fight against recent land grab near Himalayas by Chinese Army and long term economic war e.g., New Silk Road, Trade Deficit etc.
also india has one of the worlds largest muslim populations, and india is also the most populous democracy in the world.
most people forget that india has been one of the most vocal countries regarding the persecution of the chinese muslim population. more so than for example turkey, pakistan, saudi, even US and EU has not said much about the muslims being put into concentration camps.
i would say blocking apps and starting sanctions would be the logical steps to take. much better than waging war i would say.
So you are saying the current Indian goverment cares more about the wellbeing of Muslims in Xinjiang than Muslims in India?
(I don't want to diminish the awful things going on in Xinjiang, but I think giving the rest of what Modi does this would be more cynically down by the Indian government than you make it out to be.)
Wikipedia page on that is heavily biased, this was covered by OpIndia and Swarajya. Anyways that doesn't matter, as Tahir Hussain himself accepted his hand in the violence that played out.
The irony is that no Muslim got evicted due to CAA, and yet the radical Muslims caused so much violence, and then people like you come to HN to spread that propaganda of Hindutva bad, Modi bad seeking god knows what.
no im not saying that at all. i said what i said, you drew a simplistic conclusion based on what i said which fit your own narrative: "but I think giving the rest of what Modi does this would be more cynically down by the Indian government than you make it out to be."
not sure what any of that had to do with what i said, i was not trying to make out anything. i was simply stating that something that can be added to this perspective regarding OPs post, is that there are simultaneous forces at play. you do understand that two things can happen at the same time right? one does not negate another?
The big bucks allows them to stave off any competition & maintain regional dominance. I'm aware both Google & Facebook have portions invested in Jio. Maybe they need some of their expertise in extracting value out of this data.
Oil is a commodity. Data are not. Oil is extractive. You can fly in tech and talent, pump oil, keep the rulers happy and not concern yourself with the local population. You can’t do that with data—its value, for advertising and influencing, is linked to the population’s productivity and power. Finally, data are ephemeral in a way oil isn’t. You can’t barrel up bytes in the middle of the ocean.
Agree. BTW, I think there is at least one aspect which the "oil" analogy gets it correct - the flammability of data. Stockpiling private data without safeguards and regulations is dangerous, just like stockpiling oil and gas.
Certainly did not mean to define data as a commodity. But rather a valuable resource. How valuable it is depends as you pointed out, is what type of data & who's hands is it in. India has a large growing population of youth who are projected to push it to become the 3rd largest economy within the next 3 decades. If I were a data-driven tech company I would definitely would want to stake a piece of this pie before it is too late. At a cheaper price too.
>Surveillance capitalism renders behavior so that it can be parsed as observable, measurable units. Once it’s rendered as behavior it is turned into data and that’s the data that I call 'behavioral surplus’.
>These data are subjected to sophisticated analyses to manufacture 'prediction products,' and are then sold into what I call new 'markets in future behavior.' Huge revenues flow from these new markets.
>The logic of this new capitalism is that we are raw material resources. We are not the 'ends' of the process but rather the 'means' of the revenue process. It is 'about' us, but not 'for' us.
>You can fly in tech and talent, pump oil, keep the rulers happy and not concern yourself with the local population.
Check.
>(Data's) value, for advertising and influencing, is linked to the population’s productivity and power.
You can still sell oil in Tonga, a country with very low GDP, but you won't make as much as if you sold out somewhere else. In fact if you're selling oil and you leave out the niche cases, you are losing money.
>Finally, data are ephemeral in a way oil isn’t. You can’t barrel up bytes in the middle of the ocean.
India's largest company, Reliance, got its start from oil refining. They run India's largest mobile network, Jio, and it's called that because "Data is the new oil" is Ambani's maxim and it looks like "Oil" spelled backwards.
What is with programmers and their utter failure to understand an analogy, is it their literal mind? Is it the lack of socialization when growing up?. "Data is the new oil" just means that it is an important economical and political asset, that's it that's the extend of the analogy.Nobody is thinking about API degrees, viscosity, sulfur content, etc. For the purpose intended the analogy works. I am pretty sure you could come up with a better analogy (Data is a car, in true Slashdot style) but watch like not even 5 min later another guy will come up to pick your analogy apart with the most literal of interpretations.
In my special hell I am doomed to take literature classes with a bunch of programmers.
> What is with programmers and their utter failure to understand an analogy, is it their literal mind? Is it the lack of socialization when growing up?. "Data is the new oil" just means that it is an important economical and political asset, that's it
“Data is the new oil” is used by Reliance, an oil company. It may be you who isn’t thinking deeply enough.
The analogy is bad because oil has a specific geopolitical history. That history was caused, in part, by oil’s nature as an extracted nonperishable commodity. Opining on policy with respect to consumer data, a non-extractive, perishable differentiated good, with reference to oil reserves is misguided. Oil also has a specific national history in India. One that involved the state investing in, protecting and buying through domestic middlemen.
“Data is the new oil” is a different message from e.g. “data is the new gold.” It advocates porting a specific regulatory regime to India’s digital economy. One featuring politically-connected national champions.
...the manner in which data have been handled by those who harvest it doesn't resonate with the history of the oil industry? If anything, the analogy is even more apt as the powers behind it are just as corrupt.
> “Data is the new oil” is used by Reliance, an oil company.
So what?, it is used by thousand of companies. Hell, the guy who supposedly come up with it worked for Tesco, so he should have used meat or milk.
> It may be you who isn’t thinking deeply enough.
That's the point, you get the general sense of the idea, maybe chuckle at the marketking-hype speak and move on, you dont try to over-analyze if iron, land or tulips were a marginally better option.
The rest of your comment will be sent to pseud's corner
It’s such a common HN trope now, I’ve stopped even noticing it unless I’m looking fit it:
User 1: A is like B
User 2: Wrong! Here is a very detailed description of why A is not literally and exactly B, therefore A is not like B.
You can find this pattern over and over in the comments section. If you ever want to generate a giant tree of pedantic, nitpicky responses here, simply post a car analogy, and let the programmers do the rest of the writing.
Data is the new oil refers to that data, like oil, is abundant and by itself has limited value, but when data is analyzed, as in oil is refined, it unlocks tremendous value.
Good for them to raise up against a totalitarian. If all free all free. But if one sided close boarder by china, do not blame others not to let its app to go to the world.
1930s Germany didn't hate the japanese, despite them being very different from them (appearance, culture). Instead, they hated the German/european jews, who were basically visually indistinguishable.
it was a few that pushed that hatred. Hatred is usually engineered as a distraction for a crime. Usually those committing the crime and pushing the hatred are very close.
I feel like you're making the mistake that the governments represent the people here. The peace is between the people, not the governments, its the governments that want to fight and want to keep the people apart so they don't realise the peace.
If we all know someone everywhere in the world then how will our governments convince us to attack them if our friends live there?
I disagree, I think the tribalism is artificial and primarily bound the constraints of our ability to perceive reality due to our corporal form and its limitations. Fundamentally we're very empathetic but its all about being able to put the right information in front of the right people at the right time.
Its a matter of information logistics and applied correctly; people like people. Its when people quarantine information and selectively release it (e.g. only negative information) that tribalism can grow.
If I could find my electronics elsewhere and for a reasonable price, I would choose that but I can't. Government butchered the manufacturing industry, imposed ridiculous taxes (even increased them during the pandemic), custom duties and all sort of red tape which makes education for young generation harder. How can individuals work on the next generation robots, electronics, whatever if you can't even get decent micro controllers and brushless motors in india?
And it's not like big indian companies aren't selling data back to china. Majority of unicorns in india are taking investment from China. Paytm is china funded. Why don't they ban any investment from China?
Calm down son. The government is about to tell us whom we can marry and whom not, this is nothing for them. Do you think they even care about robotics or electronics? "Make in India" BTW :)
How exactly does a movers-n-packers/goods shipping company become prejudicial to the sovereignty and integrity of India let alone not be in the best interest of the citizens? Like did they conduct a poll to ban Lalamove?
Real baller move would be to ban anything with a China built SoC, if at all hatred for China is a reason to begin with.
movers-n-packers/goods shipping company is a front end to a sophisticated intelligence gathering &e spionage program of china. Just like how HUAWEI is threat to US. Nobody is dying by banning bunch of games, chill !!
I last used Lalamove to ship some furniture home from IKEA. I'm not entirely sure what the CCP wants to do with this information, but they're welcome to have it.
For a start, your home address, Cc info. Your inside layout of the house - how amenable you are to communist propaganda by looking at the indoors of the house. On the other hand, If you are govt official or person working in defense or research - they could easily bug your house while you are there and get daily briefings. I am not saying lalamove does this - but it is a possibility, think about why US and UK are so hell bent on banning huewei. Every country has a right to secure its border. To be fair, china is not exactly a warm neighbor too . China attacked india in 1962 and recently occupied leh and ladakh region. Tibet has been occupied by china. Taiwan, Hongkong have serious concerns with china's influence. On the other hand, you will find tons of companies like lalamove in india .
> think about why US and UK are so hell bent on banning huewei
The UK is not hell-bent on banning Huawei. It had initially approved Huawei hardware, and after banning them, admitted that this was due to geopolitical pressure,[1] which included US threats to reduce intelligence co-operation with the UK.[2] The US president even said that he was responsible for the UK's action.[3]
One, i for one would not welcome having an ethno-centric authoritarian state spying on me. I certainly wouldn't be happy if say the Nazis Germany or the stasi were spying in india. Your response is very similar to "I've got nothing to hide" argument for government spying.
Second, just because lalamove didn't do anything ontoward for you, doesn't mean that chinese companies don't spy on anyone. Maybe you should look at the rich history of china's industrial espionage, or how US and Soviet Russia spied on each other during the cold war.
Third, this is part of a economic and trade war against china. Maybe you should read about how an authoritarian state works, and how subjugated people get treated by oppressors. Go look at tibet, taiwan, Hong Kong, uyghur, ww2 poland etc etc.
I'll add a final point. I have found most such arguments made by people who hate the current indian government, which is indeed a bad one. But people are so hell bent on opposing the government that they even speak positives of entities that are against india, like china. Food for thought for you, what would your reaction be if it was the indian government doing similar things of industrial espionage, economic war, and spying. Would you say that modi was welcome to see that you ordered furniture from ikea?
But modiji already knows that thanks to RBI and your payment gateway which are bound by law to share the information. So do many more trackers, thanks to agreeing to the ToS, who will sell that data to the highest bidder and then again and again. :)
> Real baller move would be to ban anything with a China built SoC
Right but they are not looking for a baller move. India has severely limited financial , military or technical capabilities compare to China. They can't really challenge in significant way, so banning chinese hardware, capital investment in startups or military action is out of question. Banning some phone apps and calling it a strong retaliatory move against chinese aggression is the story fed by politicians.
Like or not, the internet has been way more popular than the original inventors intended. Because it’s popular, governments want to control it for their own agendas.
Just the way we have import/export sanctions, I can see why we have similar gates for the Internet.
If we really want the promise of Internet to live on, then we ought to invest in more decentralized technology. Push for mobile OSs allowing other apps. As long as the reigns are controlled by only a few Mega corps, we are at risk.
Our mobile phones are an extension of who we are, but they aren’t owned by us.
PayTM which is huge in India has Chinese investors like Ant financials and Alibaba. Ant being largest share holder with 29.71% ownership.
So it’s curious to see the selective retaliation. At what point a company is Chinese?
PayTM raked in immense profit following demonetization in India(overnight invalidation of several currency notes). And it continues to handle large amounts of financial transactions on daily basis.
Although these blanket bans do look like a direct offensive against the Chinese, they are not. Chinese capital is involved in a lot of India's tech sector, it would only be shooting itself in the foot if it actually went ahead and banned all Chinese products.
For example, Xiaomi held the largest market share in India's smartphone market for several years. Almost the entirety of its software ecosystem is made in China, but you won't see the government banning MIUI outright.
I was one of the core developers on the game named "Happy fish" 7-8 years ago, I wonder why was that blocked, as I don't remember the company being Chinese owned.
With AliSuppliers gone, many vendors like me won't be able to get new business and with AliExpress gone, many tinkerers like me won't have access to components.
Good bye innovation by many and welcome monopoly by crony.
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[ 5.3 ms ] story [ 144 ms ] threadUnless you're talking about the government putting its own interests above the people's, which makes sense.
Its obvious to their best interest that the one that profit is an Indian company, with ties to the government.
As a consequence, the app may be free in theory, but the Support and other contracts cost a lot of money. As it is often said Linux is free if your time has no value.
https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools
Yes, I'm quibbling about words. In politics words aren't separate from reality.
Having said that, The Great Firewall is the best thing CCP has done to protect itself, by a long shot. Had it not done so, China would be, at best, full of riots and uprisings and protests everywhere as foreign interests mobilized locals to act against the CCP using anti-CCP propaganda in their social media.
South Korea has had installed leaders since the Korean War.
The US hated Shinzo Abe for the longest damn time, didn't stop him from being re-elected multiple times.
Also, its not appropriate to call the forces still in Japan an "occupying army". There is a joint forces treaty in place, and Japan has multiple times refused to amend Article 9 of their constitution
In South Korea, they've deposed the previous President. Seems like the US is doing a bad job installing leaders there.
its alive an kicking already
Being based in Shanghai, CN.
All these scanning apps sent every scan to remote servers. Passports, Aadhar Cards, and all docs were uploaded by these apps.
#massivespeculation
Page counter was very prevalent during that era.
most people forget that india has been one of the most vocal countries regarding the persecution of the chinese muslim population. more so than for example turkey, pakistan, saudi, even US and EU has not said much about the muslims being put into concentration camps.
i would say blocking apps and starting sanctions would be the logical steps to take. much better than waging war i would say.
(I don't want to diminish the awful things going on in Xinjiang, but I think giving the rest of what Modi does this would be more cynically down by the Indian government than you make it out to be.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Delhi_riots
The irony is that no Muslim got evicted due to CAA, and yet the radical Muslims caused so much violence, and then people like you come to HN to spread that propaganda of Hindutva bad, Modi bad seeking god knows what.
not sure what any of that had to do with what i said, i was not trying to make out anything. i was simply stating that something that can be added to this perspective regarding OPs post, is that there are simultaneous forces at play. you do understand that two things can happen at the same time right? one does not negate another?
This seems like a strange qualification considering the Line of Actual Control (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_Actual_Control) hasn't changed since 1959. Even after the war of 1962, the Chinese side withdrew back to the 1959 line of control. How does China execute a "land grab" while never crossing the line of control according to Modi? (https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/chinese-troops-did...)
This is a bad analogy.
Oil is a commodity. Data are not. Oil is extractive. You can fly in tech and talent, pump oil, keep the rulers happy and not concern yourself with the local population. You can’t do that with data—its value, for advertising and influencing, is linked to the population’s productivity and power. Finally, data are ephemeral in a way oil isn’t. You can’t barrel up bytes in the middle of the ocean.
https://news.microsoft.com/innovation-stories/project-natick...
>These data are subjected to sophisticated analyses to manufacture 'prediction products,' and are then sold into what I call new 'markets in future behavior.' Huge revenues flow from these new markets.
>The logic of this new capitalism is that we are raw material resources. We are not the 'ends' of the process but rather the 'means' of the revenue process. It is 'about' us, but not 'for' us.
https://sciencenode.org/feature/shoshana-zuboff,-part-two-re...
The oil analogy works for me.
>You can fly in tech and talent, pump oil, keep the rulers happy and not concern yourself with the local population.
Check.
>(Data's) value, for advertising and influencing, is linked to the population’s productivity and power.
You can still sell oil in Tonga, a country with very low GDP, but you won't make as much as if you sold out somewhere else. In fact if you're selling oil and you leave out the niche cases, you are losing money.
>Finally, data are ephemeral in a way oil isn’t. You can’t barrel up bytes in the middle of the ocean.
Places have tried to make laws to make data ephemeral, because it is generally not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten
What is with programmers and their utter failure to understand an analogy, is it their literal mind? Is it the lack of socialization when growing up?. "Data is the new oil" just means that it is an important economical and political asset, that's it that's the extend of the analogy.Nobody is thinking about API degrees, viscosity, sulfur content, etc. For the purpose intended the analogy works. I am pretty sure you could come up with a better analogy (Data is a car, in true Slashdot style) but watch like not even 5 min later another guy will come up to pick your analogy apart with the most literal of interpretations.
In my special hell I am doomed to take literature classes with a bunch of programmers.
“Data is the new oil” is used by Reliance, an oil company. It may be you who isn’t thinking deeply enough.
The analogy is bad because oil has a specific geopolitical history. That history was caused, in part, by oil’s nature as an extracted nonperishable commodity. Opining on policy with respect to consumer data, a non-extractive, perishable differentiated good, with reference to oil reserves is misguided. Oil also has a specific national history in India. One that involved the state investing in, protecting and buying through domestic middlemen.
“Data is the new oil” is a different message from e.g. “data is the new gold.” It advocates porting a specific regulatory regime to India’s digital economy. One featuring politically-connected national champions.
So what?, it is used by thousand of companies. Hell, the guy who supposedly come up with it worked for Tesco, so he should have used meat or milk.
> It may be you who isn’t thinking deeply enough.
That's the point, you get the general sense of the idea, maybe chuckle at the marketking-hype speak and move on, you dont try to over-analyze if iron, land or tulips were a marginally better option.
The rest of your comment will be sent to pseud's corner
User 1: A is like B
User 2: Wrong! Here is a very detailed description of why A is not literally and exactly B, therefore A is not like B.
You can find this pattern over and over in the comments section. If you ever want to generate a giant tree of pedantic, nitpicky responses here, simply post a car analogy, and let the programmers do the rest of the writing.
Free is never one sided. So us trade.
IMO the great firewall of China is a stumbling block in the path to world peace.
If we all know someone everywhere in the world then how will our governments convince us to attack them if our friends live there?
Its a matter of information logistics and applied correctly; people like people. Its when people quarantine information and selectively release it (e.g. only negative information) that tribalism can grow.
If I could find my electronics elsewhere and for a reasonable price, I would choose that but I can't. Government butchered the manufacturing industry, imposed ridiculous taxes (even increased them during the pandemic), custom duties and all sort of red tape which makes education for young generation harder. How can individuals work on the next generation robots, electronics, whatever if you can't even get decent micro controllers and brushless motors in india?
And it's not like big indian companies aren't selling data back to china. Majority of unicorns in india are taking investment from China. Paytm is china funded. Why don't they ban any investment from China?
Real baller move would be to ban anything with a China built SoC, if at all hatred for China is a reason to begin with.
The UK is not hell-bent on banning Huawei. It had initially approved Huawei hardware, and after banning them, admitted that this was due to geopolitical pressure,[1] which included US threats to reduce intelligence co-operation with the UK.[2] The US president even said that he was responsible for the UK's action.[3]
1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-...
2. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-to-threaten-to-curb-in...
3. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2020/jul/15/tru...
Because the US has a trade war with China and tries to rope other countries into it?
Second, just because lalamove didn't do anything ontoward for you, doesn't mean that chinese companies don't spy on anyone. Maybe you should look at the rich history of china's industrial espionage, or how US and Soviet Russia spied on each other during the cold war.
Third, this is part of a economic and trade war against china. Maybe you should read about how an authoritarian state works, and how subjugated people get treated by oppressors. Go look at tibet, taiwan, Hong Kong, uyghur, ww2 poland etc etc.
I'll add a final point. I have found most such arguments made by people who hate the current indian government, which is indeed a bad one. But people are so hell bent on opposing the government that they even speak positives of entities that are against india, like china. Food for thought for you, what would your reaction be if it was the indian government doing similar things of industrial espionage, economic war, and spying. Would you say that modi was welcome to see that you ordered furniture from ikea?
Right but they are not looking for a baller move. India has severely limited financial , military or technical capabilities compare to China. They can't really challenge in significant way, so banning chinese hardware, capital investment in startups or military action is out of question. Banning some phone apps and calling it a strong retaliatory move against chinese aggression is the story fed by politicians.
Just the way we have import/export sanctions, I can see why we have similar gates for the Internet.
If we really want the promise of Internet to live on, then we ought to invest in more decentralized technology. Push for mobile OSs allowing other apps. As long as the reigns are controlled by only a few Mega corps, we are at risk.
Our mobile phones are an extension of who we are, but they aren’t owned by us.
So it’s curious to see the selective retaliation. At what point a company is Chinese?
PayTM raked in immense profit following demonetization in India(overnight invalidation of several currency notes). And it continues to handle large amounts of financial transactions on daily basis.
Good bye innovation by many and welcome monopoly by crony.
Hoping Starlink positions it's sats directly over all of China and hardware is smuggled in to to allow Chinese people to see truth.