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Rochus
Very interesting project; definitely worth considering.

Combined with e.g. https://github.com/Ravenbrook/mps and https://github.com/facebookarchive/luaffifb one could build a nice, lean general purpose VM.

Throwawayaerlei
One thing that hit me on reading the January 20th, 2020 blog description of MIR https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/01/20/mir-a-lightwei... is that it doesn't generate position independent code. Wouldn't that need to be changed for a copying GC like Ravenbrook's?
KMag
I think it's pretty rare for copying GC to be extended to the JIT'd machine code. That is, it only makes a difference if you're moving around the machine code in memory, not if you're moving around data. (The vtables can still be moved around.. all of the function pointers in them are absolute.)

Does Ravenbook also use copying for machine code?

readittwice
There is the caveat that generated machine code can embed addresses of objects that get relocated by the GC. In this case the code needs to be patched even though the code itself doesn't move.
KMag
I'm not familiar with Ravenbook. How does it handle GC roots outside the managed heap? I presume it updates the GC roots as it moves the objects they point to, or does it not support GC roots outside the managed heap? If the code refers to managed objects, you need to mark those locations in the machine code as containing GC roots, otherwise, you might GC the referenced objects, which is just as bad as moving them.
readittwice
I don't really know that particular GC, but not necessarily. Code objects are usually stored in a separate area and might be managed differently than regular objects. So a copying GC might not relocate code - maybe not even collect it. In case objects are relocated by the GC, there is usually "relocation information" which can be used to patch the code after it got relocated.
Rochus
MPS has different collectors, and I don't think that the generated code should be subject to a collector or include addresses to collectable objects. MPS is an very interesting library I recently started to familiarize myself with; I think it should be considered by programming languages currently using Boehm GC.
ksec
Previously on HN [1], turns out it was me :) who submitted this. And sparked a long discussion between Engineers from GraalVM TruffleRuby and Javascripts Core, along with few other VM code authors.

I am wondering what's new? Since the author hasn't said much about it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22098399

JoshTriplett
Thought this might be related to https://rustc-dev-guide.rust-lang.org/mir/index.html at first, but it seems to be an entirely unrelated project using the same name.
bshanks
Yes, it's unrelated. The author says "The central notion of JIT is a well-defined intermediate language called Medium Internal Representation, or MIR. You can find the name in Steven Muchnik’s famous book “Advanced Compiler Design and Implementation.” The Rust team also uses this term for a Rust intermediate language. Still, I decided to use the same name because I like it: MIR means “peace” and “world” in Russian." in https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/01/20/mir-a-lightwei...
oscargrouch
Have an eye on this project. It's the equivalent of Lua and SQLite of JIT engines.
WalterGR
As the go-to JIT for embedded / scripting / extension languages? Or is there another scenario you envision?
oscargrouch
Wouldn't say its the go-to. There are a lot of cool JIT's around that can be used as the backend to something. But this is one of the most simple, small and embedded that i'm aware of.