It's very easy to predict that someone somewhere will attack 5G infrastructure, but it's very hard to predict who and what part of it and it's that latter bit that's really the useful stuff.
At the very least, local and federal authorities were aware that the perp in this case was making bombs in his RV as long ago as August 2019 [0]. This should've helped predict the who.
>Officers called their mobile crisis division, and after talking with the woman, she agreed to be transported by ambulance for a psychological evaluation, Aaron said.
and being unable to find anything suspicious when visiting, they couldn't do anything about it and so couldn't have predicted it. They're not going to violate rights based on a verbal-only report (I'm assuming) from someone in a mental health crisis.
I wanted to try and understand what the "anti-5G" crowd's concerns actually are so I checked out some of the "Why are people afraid of 5G" posts on Quora.
Honestly, the top responses almost read like neural network generated proto-english [1] Some range from level headed [2] to pseudo-scientific babble [3].
[3] is interesting to dissect. It seems to be based on a misinterpretation of how electron spin spectroscopy works along with a healthy dose of hocus-pocus involving "EMF meters".
The TLDR is that recent IEEE research indicates that the traditional model of sub-THz radiation absorption (1-2mm deep at most in human skin) may not be the whole picture. Whether this indicates harm to humans is still unknown.
Supposedly a few more far out papers have been published by the authors as well. Kinda makes you wonder what the motive is here. Seems a bit high effort to be simple trolling.
omg, someone could not have designed a better conspiracy machine than this publication's standard retraction process. Missing abstract. no way to find rejected article. People will go absolutely loopy with that
Yeah it’s a shame they don’t link the original text. You can find copies pretty easily with a google search of the title, albeit with a big, opaque redacted watermark on the pages. I’m sure if you really want it you could find it with a bit more effort though.
It seems like with Quora you either get very bad or very good answers. The good ones tend to be significantly older, i.e. before it got big and people started to gamify the system.
> The results obtained from the simulation work were verified in series of in vivo experiments conducted on a number of subjects in the W-band (75–110 GHz). It was shown that the reflection coefficient of their skin strongly depends on the physiological stress of the subject (Feldman et al., 2009, 2008). In the experiments, the palm was held steady by a stand that was placed at fixed distance from the horn antenna connected to the input of the Vector Network Analyzer (VNA). The measurements were carried out using 13 subjects, both male and female, all were in the age group 20–30 and had given their informed consent.
“ reflection coefficient of their skin strongly depends on the physiological stress of the subject” Yeah that alone deserves further research. How could that be the case?
A year or so ago I was looking into a bunch of FB bot accounts that were used for commercial spam purposes, and at the time many of those fake sockpuppets were also systematically forwarding 5G conspiracy theories among multiple other things - these things seemed so unrelated that my best guess was that this particular network of accounts was just used to boost whoever was paying with many unrelated paying customers.
So at least some part of the visible "anti-5G crowd" is not actual people but just paid astroturfed propaganda, though I struggle to imagine who would be paying for that and why.
Outside of the concerns of 5G's effect on the human body, I have seen issues brought up about possible interference with other RF devices that operate close in frequency to the 5G bands. These are things that the FCC is supposed to manage but some of the critiques have been that the FCC is not doing enough. The ones below are about 5G potentially causing interference with GPS devices [1] and about the 5G band interfering with weather predictions because the 5G band covers the passive water vapor emittance bands. [2]
I've wondered about this too. 5G is a marketing and umbrella term. Is it the new radio protocol, MIMO enhancements, new bands, or something else these people are actually afraid of?
> Is it the new radio protocol, MIMO enhancements, new bands, or something else these people are actually afraid of?
People who are afraid of "5G" don't know either, they cannot distinguish them. The main talking point is mmWave and more base stations with their alleged serious health issues that didn't previously exist. I'm not sure what's the justification here. To me, mmWave sounds "better" since it cannot penetrate the skin, unlike lower frequencies. And the additional power from more base stations will be balanced out by high attenuation.
Privacy and mass surveillance is another talking point. I saw one conspiracy theorist described it as a major threat from 5G and how the government is going to use 5G to "enslave the population". It's a legitimate concern, but the existing cellular network, the Internet, and facial recognition already enabled it. Ubiquitous connectivity and more base stations will enable additional tracking, but it isn't 5G that makes a fundamental difference here.
critical infrastructure is one thing.. Media outlets that let articles and conspiracy theories circulate, that promotes this sort of infrastructure destruction, should be punished.
It has been known for some time that America's critical infrastructure is extremely vulnerable to attack.
In 2013, a group of gunmen cut fiber lines and shot out high-voltage transformers at a substation south of San Jose. The perpetrators were never caught [0]. Authorities thought it could be the dry-run for a larger attack. It took weeks to repair the damage to this one substation. The reserve inventory of high-voltage transformers is not large, and it takes time to build replacements from scratch [1].
There is a series of memes and greentexts on sites like 4chan [2][3] which describe how to disrupt, destroy, and damage critical infrastructure in the event of (or in order to provoke) civil conflict. One meme describes how to sabotage phone and fiber lines in ways that are the most difficult to detect and costly to repair. This knowledge has circulated for years.
I'm honestly surprised that we haven't seen more attacks until now, especially during this summer's unrest. I take the absence of attacks as a positive indicator of basic human decency, or maybe general technical ignorance.
This reads more revolution/apocalypse porn (for lack of a better word) than anything else. 75% desertion rate because of a liberal president? That seems suspiciously high.
You could also read some Tom Clancy back in the 1980s/90s, or countless spy novels, and get some pretty realistic and very scary sounding terrorism scenarios if you really wanted to. There's a lot of smart people who can think these things out, and do so for fun or professionally.
I guess we're lucky the amount of smart people who actually pull things off is quite low, almost close to zero percentage points world population wise. At least in the west.
I personally think the worse one in recent American history, besides 9/11 was the Las Vegas concert shooting. All that took was a half smart guy who operated alone, had plenty of personal resources, critically didn't tell anyone (OPSEC) mostly because he was already a loner, and also critically didn't have any exit plan. What's interesting about that one too is there was no clear motive either - at least none has come out in the years since the shootings.
That post was a poor example, but it was the only one I could find on short notice. Here is another that goes into more detail [0]. I have added it to my original comment.
All of that 4chan meme stuff is literal nonsense though if you read any of the follow ups to those ideas. The only thing they’re getting right is the rioting aspect.
Uhh, no offense, but you do realize that '4chan meme stuff" is literally the core of the largest conspiracy shitshow we've seen in at least one decade?
Yes but this stuff is larping to basically push their narrative online. This is pretty much what all Parler posts look like now. I don’t understand why 4chan is allowed to continue unfettered, this is pretty much where all this began anyways. Facebook, Twitter etc. just amplified it.
> but one meme describes how to sabotage phone and fiber lines in ways that are the most difficult to detect and costly to repair
You don't even need a shitty meme. In countries with pole fiber, take a chainsaw and a motorcycle. In countries without, the telco manhole covers are marked and not secured at all against intruders.
> A good sysadmin always carries around a few feet of fiber. If he ever gets lost, he simply drops the fiber on the ground, waits ten minutes, then asks the backhoe operator for directions.
We used to have a house in Vermont many years ago. The phone and cable lines were down from time to time. If the phones worked the usual response from the cable company is "someone idiot shot at the wires." So this form of "domestic terrorism" is nothing new.
Yeah, in the US things are considered vandalism that would be considered a much more significant attack elsewhere. Somebody shot up a bunch of telco boxes and took out a whole neighbourhood’s internet connection. The response from the isp was basically “happens all the time, new kit’s coming”
My father used to work in electricity transmission, including some very long high-voltage DC lines. He said that a big problem they have with lower-voltage lines is people shooting at the glass insulators, and a big problem they have with the high-voltage lines is people shooting at the spacers... and also stealing bolts and straps for metal value. It's interesting to think about what could have happened if someone unintentionally caused serious damage to, say, a transmission line which was the largest connection into Los Angeles, but ultimately they are built pretty sturdy.
This kind of vandalism is just a huge hassle for just about any infrastructure that covers a meaningful amount of land.
> The response from the isp was basically “happens all the time, new kit’s coming”
I'm in Germany and worked in construction (digging) as a sub's employee for Telekom... they have digging crews on standby and spare equipment for the sidewalk boxes and cellphone towers spread across the country, as it's routine that cars crash into them, other construction workers hit underground lines, anarchists/nazis/conspiracy nuts committing arson attacks, storm damage trips poles or boxes, sometimes lightning hits and entire hoods are knocked off the net because the surge protection had issues, tree roots or water intrudes in below-ground cables, heavy snow takes out poles...
I think the difference I’m talking about is that if you crash a car into one of these things it could conceivably be an accident (and my guess is it almost always is accidental). Shooting a utility box until the magic blue smoke is all gone is deliberate.
I think the fact that most people don't seem to want to admit as to why attacks like this are uncommon...is that people are generally good and want to live normal lives. The looting in NYC, etc this summer was gross but eventually citizens began stepping up to defend their own communities and to assist law enforcement. Our agencies and law enforcement are fairly good at thwarting attacks that involve multiple individuals. What we struggle with are lone wolf attacks where no intel can be gathered.
I used to work for British telecom and I remember speculation on how easy it would be to cripple CNI as compared to a jihadi suicide bombing spectacular.
Two or 3 two man teams with an angle grinder could have taken down "xxxx" I wont mention the system.
It was suspected that the IRA Docklands bombing[0] was possibly targeting the telecomms infrastructure. I think there were also some attempts at bombing the National Grid which failed.
You are correct that a lot of CNI is vulnerable due to its nature (remote locations etc). Thankfully, like with most terrorism, the people capable of doing the most damage are not usually interested in carrying out such acts.
I do wonder about the staples corner bombing that did a lot of damage and was next door to the DC that ran Telecom RED the alarm system that alerted police to break-ins as well as Telecom GOLD
Strange article. The references to 5G were speculation from the news media and not from the bomber. AFAIK he left no notes. Someone did find that his father worked for AT&T and may have worked in that building, but that may not be related. I think it is way too early to try to understand the motives.
It’s more work on mobile than just copying the link. If someone really cares, they will come along and de-amp it like you did. I personally don’t get the zealotry on this issue is for news sites. Non-news I understand, but I usually prefer the amp link on pretty much any news site.
... then, at least trim the Google part (the main issue here is Google collecting data, but there are also people here that simply hate AMP). The page will still load as AMP in this instance, and it is as simple as deleting the "www.google.com/amp/s" like this: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2980KA
While the package did not have a return address, the contents of the letter referenced various conspiracy theories, including that aliens have launched attacks on earth, which indicated it was likely from Warner, News Channel 5 said.
It sounds like they are guessing it was from him. Hopefully there are more conclusive writings from him that indicate a mapping to these beliefs. The agents pulled many grocery bags of items from his home, so I am looking forward to what is in their report.
Ugh. Uuuggghhhh. Another "this is huge, if true" speculation article.
So we know nothing about his motives, but "anti-5g" fits the bill, so let's write a long thought provoking piece assuming that is fact.
Eventually, it won't matter what his motives were. If we keep writing speculative pieces like these, they simply become fact in the public eye.
> ... If true, it shines a light on the longstanding need for [buzzword buzzword blah blah legislation blah]
You don't need to understand this guy's motives to shine a light on this. Heck, if his motives were, "I really enjoyed Breaking Bad, and thought it was a cool way to go out", we already have enough justification to shore up infrastructure.
Speculating on the motive only serves to spread FUD about "far right extremists". That's really not something we need in today's political atmosphere. Let's investigate, sure, but until then, we don't need to know what it was too build more resilient infrastructure.
I think they might be trying to 'get ahead of the story', and write articles which are first, and may turn out to be right. This did not start with the internet (see the 1948 presidential election), but it does seem have gotten fairly extreme.
The US Department of Homeland Security should provide the public a means for reporting potential vulnerabilities to critical infrastructure. Not threats, just perceived/observed vulnerabilities, not much different than bug reports in software. I can think of a few reports I would file in some detail given a secure means to do so.
Sadly, though your idea is good, current reality I see it as mostly a way to get your name on a list. The government traditionally has ... not been kind ... to those who disclose or report or whistleblow on vulnerabilities, however responsibly or appropriately.
This reads like those overpaid counter-terrorism people after 9/11 for about 1.5 decades who had 'answers'. And they never seem to 'stop' it. All we get are some idiots arrested in some random obviously forced FBI sting operation, where the idiot wouldn't have the resources or motivation otherwise to go through with it.
"Idiot" is the wrong word to use here, and not for woke reasons!
It's wrong because many of the people the FBI has arrested for these plots have diagnosed mental deficiencies to the point where they aren't capable of living on their own, and rely on caregivers for their day to day needs.
"Idiot" implies it's a functional person making bad decisions, not someone with a diagnosed condition.
I was under the impression that the shutting off of the gas lines in reaction to the event was what caused the outage. They were using natural gas generators at the time for some unrelated reason.
The notion that vital infrastructure is highly vulnerable to attack is not something which is new or even really that related to this particular incident. The damage caused by this incident was relatively limited, mostly to a cable vault, which will require a lengthy and expensive repair but is far less destructive than it potentially could be.
A much more interesting incident to look at is the Metcalf attack, which is both more mysterious in terms of the perpetrators and more clearly intended as an attack on vital infrastructure. As a proof of concept, Idaho National Laboratories conducted a somewhat infamous experiment in which they demonstrated it was possible to cause significant permanent damage to a common diesel standby generator via network intrusion.
Multiple levels of the federal government and private industry (including industry bodies in electrical and telecom) recognize vital infrastructure as a significant vulnerability. However, very little attention has been paid to the issue. Part of this owes to it being fairly bureaucratic and uninteresting in the details, part of it is because progress is very slow due to the scale of the problem and cost of making significant changes.
In the telecom industry, for decades now telephony has moved towards protocols with significantly more flexible routing and recovery options, improving the reliability of long-distance telephone calls to such a degree that you virtually never encounter a failure. Unfortunately, redundant connectivity to individual customer sites remains something which is expensive and so fairly uncommon for even larger businesses. Legacy issues in the design of the 911 system and infrastructure to PSAPs has also repeatedly lead to 911 outages in response to relatively minor issues (single points of failure are very common due to the architecture of the system). So, local service disruptions are easy to achieve by means like this. Nationwide ones are fairly difficult, at least without careful planning and some luck.
This is all to say that the concern is very real, but this particular incident doesn't seem like a top example of it. In fact, one wonders why, given the high degree of vulnerability of many infrastructure sites, terrorist attacks on infrastructure are less common. I would guess it's because causing infrastructure disruption which leads to fatalities requires a fairly complex, concerted effort, which could probably still lead to more fatalities if directed at a more conventional form of attack. All in all, it's a return on investment consideration for terrorists.
Adding more noise, confusion and fear. I think the socio-economic issues underlying many of these misguided attempts are to blame.
Take someone with any type of mental health issue, put them in an unstable financial situation without any support from their family/friends/community and give them plenty of time to gorge themselves by 'researching' on the internet and you get the perfect storm of someone doing these very regrettable actions.
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>Officers called their mobile crisis division, and after talking with the woman, she agreed to be transported by ambulance for a psychological evaluation, Aaron said.
and being unable to find anything suspicious when visiting, they couldn't do anything about it and so couldn't have predicted it. They're not going to violate rights based on a verbal-only report (I'm assuming) from someone in a mental health crisis.
Honestly, the top responses almost read like neural network generated proto-english [1] Some range from level headed [2] to pseudo-scientific babble [3].
[3] is interesting to dissect. It seems to be based on a misinterpretation of how electron spin spectroscopy works along with a healthy dose of hocus-pocus involving "EMF meters".
[1] https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-afraid-of-5g
[2] https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-people-are-scared-of-5G...
[3] https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-so-scared-of-5G-and-mak...
Edit: I've been trying to find a more balanced look at the issue, I liked this one by Larry Desjardin on EDN: https://www.edn.com/does-5g-pose-health-risks-part-2/
The TLDR is that recent IEEE research indicates that the traditional model of sub-THz radiation absorption (1-2mm deep at most in human skin) may not be the whole picture. Whether this indicates harm to humans is still unknown.
Supposedly a few more far out papers have been published by the authors as well. Kinda makes you wonder what the motive is here. Seems a bit high effort to be simple trolling.
That’s not specific to questions about 5G. Most of what I read on Quora would fit that description.
Just found a paper: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1210030663890/The%20human%20ski...
> The results obtained from the simulation work were verified in series of in vivo experiments conducted on a number of subjects in the W-band (75–110 GHz). It was shown that the reflection coefficient of their skin strongly depends on the physiological stress of the subject (Feldman et al., 2009, 2008). In the experiments, the palm was held steady by a stand that was placed at fixed distance from the horn antenna connected to the input of the Vector Network Analyzer (VNA). The measurements were carried out using 13 subjects, both male and female, all were in the age group 20–30 and had given their informed consent.
Wow, you can use a VNA to measure that?
So at least some part of the visible "anti-5G crowd" is not actual people but just paid astroturfed propaganda, though I struggle to imagine who would be paying for that and why.
[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/millions-of-gps-...
[2] https://geog.umd.edu/sites/geog.umd.edu/files/pubs/Benish%20...
People have been complaining about wireless technologies since Marconi.
That said, yes, it’s got higher frequencies, beam forming, and orders of magnitude higher density of cells.
People who are afraid of "5G" don't know either, they cannot distinguish them. The main talking point is mmWave and more base stations with their alleged serious health issues that didn't previously exist. I'm not sure what's the justification here. To me, mmWave sounds "better" since it cannot penetrate the skin, unlike lower frequencies. And the additional power from more base stations will be balanced out by high attenuation.
Privacy and mass surveillance is another talking point. I saw one conspiracy theorist described it as a major threat from 5G and how the government is going to use 5G to "enslave the population". It's a legitimate concern, but the existing cellular network, the Internet, and facial recognition already enabled it. Ubiquitous connectivity and more base stations will enable additional tracking, but it isn't 5G that makes a fundamental difference here.
In 2013, a group of gunmen cut fiber lines and shot out high-voltage transformers at a substation south of San Jose. The perpetrators were never caught [0]. Authorities thought it could be the dry-run for a larger attack. It took weeks to repair the damage to this one substation. The reserve inventory of high-voltage transformers is not large, and it takes time to build replacements from scratch [1].
There is a series of memes and greentexts on sites like 4chan [2][3] which describe how to disrupt, destroy, and damage critical infrastructure in the event of (or in order to provoke) civil conflict. One meme describes how to sabotage phone and fiber lines in ways that are the most difficult to detect and costly to repair. This knowledge has circulated for years.
I'm honestly surprised that we haven't seen more attacks until now, especially during this summer's unrest. I take the absence of attacks as a positive indicator of basic human decency, or maybe general technical ignorance.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
[1] https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/04/f34/Strategi...
[2] https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1837689-4chan
[3] https://i.imgur.com/FfjVlRX.jpeg
>[2] https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1837689-4chan
This reads more revolution/apocalypse porn (for lack of a better word) than anything else. 75% desertion rate because of a liberal president? That seems suspiciously high.
I guess we're lucky the amount of smart people who actually pull things off is quite low, almost close to zero percentage points world population wise. At least in the west.
I personally think the worse one in recent American history, besides 9/11 was the Las Vegas concert shooting. All that took was a half smart guy who operated alone, had plenty of personal resources, critically didn't tell anyone (OPSEC) mostly because he was already a loner, and also critically didn't have any exit plan. What's interesting about that one too is there was no clear motive either - at least none has come out in the years since the shootings.
[0] https://i.imgur.com/FfjVlRX.jpeg
You don't even need a shitty meme. In countries with pole fiber, take a chainsaw and a motorcycle. In countries without, the telco manhole covers are marked and not secured at all against intruders.
> A good sysadmin always carries around a few feet of fiber. If he ever gets lost, he simply drops the fiber on the ground, waits ten minutes, then asks the backhoe operator for directions.
> -- Bill Bradford <mrbill@mrbill.net>
This kind of vandalism is just a huge hassle for just about any infrastructure that covers a meaningful amount of land.
I'm in Germany and worked in construction (digging) as a sub's employee for Telekom... they have digging crews on standby and spare equipment for the sidewalk boxes and cellphone towers spread across the country, as it's routine that cars crash into them, other construction workers hit underground lines, anarchists/nazis/conspiracy nuts committing arson attacks, storm damage trips poles or boxes, sometimes lightning hits and entire hoods are knocked off the net because the surge protection had issues, tree roots or water intrudes in below-ground cables, heavy snow takes out poles...
Even in a civil war you seize infrastructure because you need it, not destroy it randomly in a fit of psychotic frevor
More people were rendered hungry and homeless in 2008 than by all terrorists combined in the last 50 years.
Two or 3 two man teams with an angle grinder could have taken down "xxxx" I wont mention the system.
You are correct that a lot of CNI is vulnerable due to its nature (remote locations etc). Thankfully, like with most terrorism, the people capable of doing the most damage are not usually interested in carrying out such acts.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Docklands_bombing
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/...
It sounds like they are guessing it was from him. Hopefully there are more conclusive writings from him that indicate a mapping to these beliefs. The agents pulled many grocery bags of items from his home, so I am looking forward to what is in their report.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13635429/nashville-bomber-pack...
Until we see more evidence then everyone is just guessing at this point.
So we know nothing about his motives, but "anti-5g" fits the bill, so let's write a long thought provoking piece assuming that is fact.
Eventually, it won't matter what his motives were. If we keep writing speculative pieces like these, they simply become fact in the public eye.
> ... If true, it shines a light on the longstanding need for [buzzword buzzword blah blah legislation blah]
You don't need to understand this guy's motives to shine a light on this. Heck, if his motives were, "I really enjoyed Breaking Bad, and thought it was a cool way to go out", we already have enough justification to shore up infrastructure.
Speculating on the motive only serves to spread FUD about "far right extremists". That's really not something we need in today's political atmosphere. Let's investigate, sure, but until then, we don't need to know what it was too build more resilient infrastructure.
5G and vaccine conspiracy theories are not a uniquely “far right” phenomenon. See Marin County, for example.
https://theconversation.com/anti-vaccination-beliefs-dont-fo...
https://www.marinij.com/2019/05/15/marin-activists-rally-aga...
It's wrong because many of the people the FBI has arrested for these plots have diagnosed mental deficiencies to the point where they aren't capable of living on their own, and rely on caregivers for their day to day needs.
"Idiot" implies it's a functional person making bad decisions, not someone with a diagnosed condition.
I feel this is overblown, most people in the society are not suicidal psycos.
A much more interesting incident to look at is the Metcalf attack, which is both more mysterious in terms of the perpetrators and more clearly intended as an attack on vital infrastructure. As a proof of concept, Idaho National Laboratories conducted a somewhat infamous experiment in which they demonstrated it was possible to cause significant permanent damage to a common diesel standby generator via network intrusion.
Multiple levels of the federal government and private industry (including industry bodies in electrical and telecom) recognize vital infrastructure as a significant vulnerability. However, very little attention has been paid to the issue. Part of this owes to it being fairly bureaucratic and uninteresting in the details, part of it is because progress is very slow due to the scale of the problem and cost of making significant changes.
In the telecom industry, for decades now telephony has moved towards protocols with significantly more flexible routing and recovery options, improving the reliability of long-distance telephone calls to such a degree that you virtually never encounter a failure. Unfortunately, redundant connectivity to individual customer sites remains something which is expensive and so fairly uncommon for even larger businesses. Legacy issues in the design of the 911 system and infrastructure to PSAPs has also repeatedly lead to 911 outages in response to relatively minor issues (single points of failure are very common due to the architecture of the system). So, local service disruptions are easy to achieve by means like this. Nationwide ones are fairly difficult, at least without careful planning and some luck.
This is all to say that the concern is very real, but this particular incident doesn't seem like a top example of it. In fact, one wonders why, given the high degree of vulnerability of many infrastructure sites, terrorist attacks on infrastructure are less common. I would guess it's because causing infrastructure disruption which leads to fatalities requires a fairly complex, concerted effort, which could probably still lead to more fatalities if directed at a more conventional form of attack. All in all, it's a return on investment consideration for terrorists.
Too much fear, not enough love.
Most attacks are a drunk dude shooting stuff and you only hear the times they actually get lucky. e.g. The Alaska pipeline shooting https://missoulian.com/uncategorized/man-shoots-alaska-pipel... or the Metcalf sniper attack
Compared to the delay we will get to 5G because we won't use Huawei and had no replacement ready.
Bad processes do more damage than physical attacks to infrastructure.