The title is a bit misleading, because you could infer that she will be deported based only on the thread she wrote.
But, reading the article, she had a "visitor visa" and she's suspected of making profit by "selling her e-book and putting up consultation fees on traveling".
It does say that she "unsettled the public" by saying "Bali [is] queer-friendly and suggesting that foreigners can enter Indonesia during the pandemic"
“The concerned foreign national is suspected to have done business by selling her e-book and putting up consultation fees on traveling to Bali, which means she can be subject to sanctions according to the 2011 Immigration Law,” the statement also said, explaining that those actions mean Gray has violated the purpose of her stay permit.
It also says what you wrote, but that's not the official reason for kicking her (of course, it may be why they investigate her in first place and the reason for prosecution, that's open for interpretation but I don't know the details)
Yes. The US is even more strict with this. The classic is getting deported or being denied entry for doing private au pair arrangements on vistor visa.
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makes no sense. she is not working for a local company nor is being employed through local labour laws. this cannot be a reason for being kicked out of the country. they mentioned she promoted lgbt and indonesia is a muslim country so i would think it was more about that than anything else. just lazy journalism.
Why would remote work for a foreign company not be subject to local law and require a work visa? While few countries will care if you answer the occasional work email while on vacation, living there for months while working remote is problematic.
Also while Indonesia has a Muslim majority, it is _NOT_ a Muslim country. Bali especially is Hindu.
Visa runs aren't shady. Been doing them for ~5 years in a row in exactly that region. The reason why visa runs are even a thing is countries rely on that. It's a built-in feature of their immigration system.
Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world[1]. It is a Muslim country, but it is not governed by Sharia law, so it's not an Islamic country.
I have one of the crappiest passports in the world. It drives me insane to see people take for granted and abuse the things that (visit) visas on arrival offer them.
When I want a visa to most countries (especially western countries) I have to present bank statements, proof of employment, flights in and out etc. but a random bum from <insert_country_that_gets_visa_on_arrival_to_destination_x> can come in without any such checks. I get particularly angry at stories where travellers run out of money half way through their journey and start selling things like photographs or busking to make money.
I'm jealous of but never angry at people for the ability to do multi-destination journeys without the phenomenal logistical planning ahead involved in getting visas for all those destinations - please don't take that privilege for granted. (TL;DR - i can never do the "let's just fly to x and see where we go from there" on a whim)
globe-trotting person here who been living as a foreigner since the age of 18 (and close to 50 now).
I understand your anger. I'd be furious too :(
> please don't take that privilege for granted.
I will always take that for granted. It is literally my only "god given" right to move wherever I want and live there (provided I can sustain myself)[1]. The idea that a country has the right to restrict my movement based on an arbitrary border, by issuing a paper defining where I may travel and for how long (based on my skin color) is absurd and something worth going to war for both metaphorically and literally.
[1] technology plays a big part here in the crimes that countries commit against individuals (refugees and otherwise), and I've witnessed an gradual increase of restrictions, over the past 20 or so years especially in Western countries including my home country. Compared to 20 years ago we now already live in a dystopia of restriction, it just is distributed unevenly.
So, she moved to Bali and made a bunch of money by explaining how to move there during a global pandemic (making money from it probably being what separates her from other people in the "expat community"). Deporting her may seem a bit harsh but I think it's well justified.
> may have violated a number of immigration laws, including
> “spreading information that could unsettle the public,” such
> as Bali being queer-friendly
Well, at least they're honest.
That said the main reasons for the deportation (from Indonesia)
are again not what the title suggests. This person only had a
tourism visa, and the "unsettling the public" part also includes
the argument that her posts on Twitter suggested it's fine to
travel to Indonesia during the pandemic. So technically the
title isn't a lie as the viral tweet was the reason she got
attention by the authorities, but it's obviously phrased with a
very different implication.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 47.8 ms ] threadBut, reading the article, she had a "visitor visa" and she's suspected of making profit by "selling her e-book and putting up consultation fees on traveling".
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5864427
She did shady stuff like visa runs and not taxing locally earned income. There is reason to kick her out.
Indonesia is a muslim country.
Visa runs aren't shady. Been doing them for ~5 years in a row in exactly that region. The reason why visa runs are even a thing is countries rely on that. It's a built-in feature of their immigration system.
[1]: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-large...
When I want a visa to most countries (especially western countries) I have to present bank statements, proof of employment, flights in and out etc. but a random bum from <insert_country_that_gets_visa_on_arrival_to_destination_x> can come in without any such checks. I get particularly angry at stories where travellers run out of money half way through their journey and start selling things like photographs or busking to make money.
I'm jealous of but never angry at people for the ability to do multi-destination journeys without the phenomenal logistical planning ahead involved in getting visas for all those destinations - please don't take that privilege for granted. (TL;DR - i can never do the "let's just fly to x and see where we go from there" on a whim)
I understand your anger. I'd be furious too :(
> please don't take that privilege for granted.
I will always take that for granted. It is literally my only "god given" right to move wherever I want and live there (provided I can sustain myself)[1]. The idea that a country has the right to restrict my movement based on an arbitrary border, by issuing a paper defining where I may travel and for how long (based on my skin color) is absurd and something worth going to war for both metaphorically and literally.
[1] technology plays a big part here in the crimes that countries commit against individuals (refugees and otherwise), and I've witnessed an gradual increase of restrictions, over the past 20 or so years especially in Western countries including my home country. Compared to 20 years ago we now already live in a dystopia of restriction, it just is distributed unevenly.
Well, at least they're honest.
That said the main reasons for the deportation (from Indonesia) are again not what the title suggests. This person only had a tourism visa, and the "unsettling the public" part also includes the argument that her posts on Twitter suggested it's fine to travel to Indonesia during the pandemic. So technically the title isn't a lie as the viral tweet was the reason she got attention by the authorities, but it's obviously phrased with a very different implication.