Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” project?

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One where you don't care if it makes money or gets a lot of attention, but you are working on it regardless. I don't think I mean private hobbies, exactly, but projects that could or will be shared with others - you just don't care about the outcome.

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I recently built a service (https://timetrigger.dev) that was mostly for fun and not profit. I wouldn’t say I don’t care about it per se but if it makes no money that’s ok. Hopefully it will at least get some customers though!
Got any customers yet? When did you release it?? Looks great
Thanks! I launched it softly on Friday and no customers as of yet but I dog-food this tool in another project I am working on :-)
Interesting product. Can't think of an immediate use for it but I'll keep it in mind.

PS, typo on list item three:

> Time Trigger is meant run individual tasks a a specific time.

What's the other project?
There is a typo on your front page. "individual tasks a a specific time." should be "individual tasks at a specific time."

Also "easy humas readable dates" should be "easy human readable dates"

I am developing https://vocab-boost.online/ (smoke test page, extension is being reviewed in webstore). It is a Chrome extension to make language tests out of any page. I used this approach to improve my vocabular to pass German C1 exam.
I love this. I've often wondered how to scrape netflix subtitles for a similar reason.
This is interesting! I've never thought to test myself this way on real-world examples.
Thank you! My crux was to expand the vocabulary using texts I enjoy (not the testing itself). One could call this "very active reading", where I try to fill in words from the context.
Brilliant idea, wishing you the best of enthusiasm and good fortune
Hey this is awesome! I see you're still developing the extension but if you want an easy way to take payments I made https://extensionpay.com
I've published a free beta extension. Please see the link and instructions on the site. I would appreciate your feedback.
https://pingtype.github.io - it helps me learn Chinese, and I'm going to keep using it even though it doesn't have any traction. Generating word spacing, pinyin, and literal translations for interesting text, rather than just homework books, is far more motivating.
This is really cool - wish I had this when I was learning chinese. Maybe I'll use it to pick it up again!
Hi Peter, do you have any other recommendations for learning Mandarin. I've just started taking lessons a few weeks ago.
There's a lot more to Pigntype than just the front page - check out the links along the top. Particularly the blog, with the link to ways I've tried and failed to learn. [0]

Speaking, listening, reading, writing, and typing are all different parts of "learning Mandarin". All of them are hard.

Pingtype (translator) can help with reading. Pingtype (keyboard, at the bottom of the page) can help with typing traditional characters. Listening can be done with music, check out the Lyrics for some bilingual Christian songs (audio is on YouTube). Singing is kind of like speaking, and can be done in church without other people looking at you weirdly when you pronounce tones wrong. Writing will make your hand hurt, and many native speakers don't know how to write their own language [1]. Speaking is pretty much impossible without a tutor, and I'm still not conversational after ~4 years. I can understand some of what other people say, but talking is hard.

[0] https://pingtype.github.io/docs/failed.html

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHskrqMqII

Not Peter but I learnt Chinese

First I wasted a lot of time looking for how to study Chinese. The best thing to do is to consistently practice. Don't worry about grammar.

Just try learn new words everyday and then deliberately practice them with speakers.

No tool will help you with this.

Try to identify why you need to study Chinese. You'll learn much faster if you need rather than want to learn it.if you don't have a need try to create one.

Learning characters is much easier than you think. The hard part about Chinese for me is the pronunciation and when you finally get good enough to hold conversations understanding that people don't say what they mean.

My project involves turning an old Saab into a racecar, and using it to explore moonshot ideas like creating a composite from natural materials instead of fiberglass or carbon fiber. The racecar part keeps it fun, even if the ideas don't pan out.

Documenting it here: https://surjan.substack.com/

Fantastic! You're such an engaging writer. Subscribed.

I've gotten a tad weary of only reading programmer's blogs. You can only transfer over things like stateless application design so far into other fields. Mechanical Engineers deserve some love too! Sadly, the closest I've come to a "Hacker News for Mechanical Engineers" is the FSAE forums, aka, not close at all. So your blog is very welcome!

Hah. Quite a few:

https://www.3cosystem.com -- a simple startup events calendar. I'm surprised it is still up. It scrapes the Meetup API firehose, filters for tech events, and drops indexes on 65 cities world-wide. It never gets updates, and I'm surprised it still works.

Ulysses (https://homer.sonnet.io ) - a little text editor I built when I felt burned out, so I could improve my writing fluency, de-stress (more context: https://sonnet.io/posts/ulysses/).

I have no idea how many people are using it regularly.

I think it's more than one, but I don't really care, I enjoy using it immensely and I've been writing ca. 1k words per day, consistently, for more than a year. Can't ask for more:)

the idea sounds fantastic. I suggest building a community around it
I’m building a minimalistic, 1v1 MOBA game (Dota/LoL) that’s all about grand strategy at the macro level, like chess. It is designed from scratch to accommodate AI development.

OpenAI gave up after beating 99% of players in a limited version of DOTA2. They essentially just figured out how to out-micro human players. We want to let players play alongside AI assistance, like a racing car driver backed up by their team of mechanics and engineers.

https://github.com/amethyst/shotcaller

I've created a couple Android apps that I published. I did it mostly to learn and have fun. They weren't really successful and I didn't make any money, but there are/were (haven't checked lately) a few thousand installs.
I develop https://firedating.me - my hobby project and a place for FIRE (Financial Independence / Retire Early) enthusiasts to find friends and a partner. My goal is to help FIRE people build meaningful connections and decrease the amount of loneliness in the community.

I don't make any money, instead I've spent around $130 and 400 hours so far. It is actually a lot of fun to learn web development and encounter various unexpected challenges everyday. There are also rewarding aspects - 9 couples, who met through the site, have reached out to me and were grateful. This feeling of changing people's lives in this way is amazing! I have no clue where this brings me, but I enjoy it so much. I try to spend at least 1.5 hours a day in 2021. In 2020 I had a goal to spend at a least 1 hour a day on my side projects and that's how firedating was born ;)

What made you decide to show the ratio of male:female?
At 1/3 I think it's smart. I would have assumed a much worse male to female ratio without that.
I agree, I was also assuming a worse ratio. However, I tried comparing this with other dating sites and they report better ratios. At the same time, I suspect that FIRE community might be biased towards males (even though I heard that majority of Mr Money Mustache followers are women).
It's a really smart move regarding sustainable growth. Males will refrain of signing up without an "healthy" ratio. Not doing it would just cause early abandonments and decrease goodwill. Everybody wins.
I personally perceived this as a signaling to female users to motivate them to join more. But the way you phrase this is also interesting.

To be fair, the ratio was not public at the very beginning.

To be honest, everyone was always asking for this. I already had a public stats page back then, so it was very easy to just include it there (to save my time calculating this manually).
I love your analytics page! So cool to have a transparent view of what's going on on a website
Thank you!

I value transparency and happily share stats and why I make specific decisions.

I've got an idea of such "open" page from levelsio's https://nomadlist.com/open.

Any chance of open sourcing the code for others to contribute as well?
To be honest, I am not sure whether engineering is a bottle neck as of now. Site's functionality has actually pretty much converged and it already works. Full blown open sourcing seems like a large endeavor and I just spend 1.5 hours a day. I tried finding collaborators, but unfortunately people just get busy with time and don't contribute. If you are interested to collaborate (Django/Python) or have specific ideas/advice on open sourcing, I would appreciate to discuss more (https://firedating.me/feedback).

My previous experience was that it was taking more of my time to collaborate than to do stuff on my own. I agree that this might change and that's why I am open to explore :)

This is the sweetest and most wholesome thing I've seen in a very long time. Kudos to you!
Thank you for your kind words! I definitely remember the first 3 months of development when I had 0 users and how it felt. I appreciate your support!
how did you get your initial users?
I've got an idea during a FIRE meetup, so there was already initial interest (~10 people). Once I had the site running, I made a post on Reddit and people just joined. In 1.5 months around 500 users joined (there is a graph here: https://firedating.me/open/). It was indeed a chicken and an egg problem, because a dating site without users provides 0 value. Fortunately, people joined even despite this. Nowadays, it is much easier. Just saying "we are 2800 users" is already much more convincing.
https://wor.do/@aminozuur

Wordo. An English dictionary that my friends and I built. It has a handful of active users, who swear by it. Other than that, no one uses it. It's existed for a few years and I keep pushing small updated a few times a year, it makes me happy :).

Dev to Agency (https://devtoagency.com) - I am writing on how developers can start and run their own custom software agencies. This is from my experience starting, running, and selling my agency over 8 years...

I have never written before this, and not sure if it's something I will after this - but at this stage I need to "get it all out of my head". I don't foresee this being a forever project because ultimately I would have said all I want to say. But at this stage, it feels cathartic :)

Thank you for this, this is exactly what I am looking for.
Very good to hear! I have only just started this and it sometimes feels like their may not be an audience, so that's great news :)
For me it’s the Zettelkasten/smart notes app I’m working on. I’ve been a frustrated with how I take notes from books, videos, blog posts, etc. I want to build a zero-inbox style workflow around organising my notes consistently so that I can start to blog with a wealth of research and ideas at my fingertips. So I’ve started building Flowtelic.

Early (no signup/in browser storage) version is live at https://app.flowtelic.com.

A video showing how to use it is here: https://youtu.be/Zo9hIuffz_0

I’m documenting as I build this over on Twitter at https://twitter.com/Martin_Adams

It's lovely. It's amazing how little things can make such a big difference. In your case, the index-card default size of the note subtly, but powerfully, encourages smaller notes. Typical new-age zettelkasten apps are still A4 sized pages, so this is a welcome change.

I'll add some more pointless two cents. I use, and love, Obsidian for the following reasons. I'm a research engineer, and it supports latex equations, markdown formatting, pasting images from the clipboard, and syntax highlighting. It is also beautiful from the get go (as is your app); the line spacing is just-right, the colour scheme is pleasant, the editor and preview mode typefaces are both delightful. But, I do use it as a full-fledged note taking app.

In your shoes (and contrary to the spirit of the thread, I admit), I would definitely spend time getting to know to whom you're targetting this app. Perhaps yourself, which is fair. But, for instance, it wouldn't work for someone like me. Still, I like what you've done here and I wish you all the best!!

Thank you so much for the feedback. I too am an Obsidian user which is really nice for technical documentation. I have to be careful that I don’t confuse the audience: those who want to collect thoughts for writing; and those who organise notes for research (i.e. technical knowledge). I actually do both and there are different needs in each.

The only things on your list that I hadn’t considered was latex equations and whether I should offer different design customisations of the cards.

I’m glad you picked up on the index card size default. I will offer both full-page notes as well, but there’s another reason why I want them as card sized—so you can lay them out on a virtual workspace to help answer questions from your slip box.

Honestly, there’s too many ideas that I can’t do everything. But it’s sure fun working on it and gradually making it better each release.

Powerfully simple. I'd love to be able to self-host this, or at least use it someplace with more persistance and sync across devices.
Thanks! Yes, this is quite important. I plan for there to be a desktop version which allows you to backup/import/export your notes automatically to your own file system. Getting 100% markdown compatibility might be a challenge with some future features (like embedded images). Then there's the sync so you can jump onto different machines and continue.
Oh man, I really want this. Are you collecting email addresses anywhere for when you’re ready for users?
My wife runs an online fabric shop with a very... focused target market, and I’ve spent countless hours developing and fabricating a product for that shop.

It’s a pattern weight, essentially an 80mm wooden cylinder, 16mm thick, with a metal weight embedded inside.

We’ve sold a grand total of 50 (sets of five) but it’s been great as a way to learn to run my CNC router!

I work on a mod for the original Quake Team Fortress. We’ve been getting roughly eight players a night for many years. That’s enough to play. That’s enough success for me. https://www.FortressOne.org
My friend group used to participate in some game jams in high school. Just two weeks ago, we decided that it’s time to take the best one of our creations and extend it so far that we can release it in some stores. We don’t expect to make a lot of money from it, we’re just in for the experience of creating something cool from start to finish.

Here‘s the link to the Ludum Dare entry in case anyone is interested: https://randomaccessgames.itch.io/neon-kata

https://kindmind.com

It’s a free, private online journal with a focus on mental health.

I spent $4k usd in the domain name in 2015 and around another $4k in operating costs since then.

It has virtually zero marketing and has organically picked up around 1,500 users. I use it myself every day which is success enough for me. Fun project that has helped me land a few jobs, and my scant user base seems to dig it.

How do you encrypt such a thing?

Is it encrypted at rest?

I would be too paranoid to put personal stuff on some website, if I don’t know the encryption techniques and technology used behind it.

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wiby.me

A small search engine for simple, non-commerical webpages.

My hacker news comment notifier lol

https://hacknotescenter.com/

I need to do an about building blog post

but I basically just made it to get better at kubernetes design doc writing, and play around with hasura, next.js, vercel and a bunch of other tech toys.

Finger.Farm https://finger.farm

Love a good / dubious project I can bang out over a rainy weekend. Finger.Farm is a modern re-implementation of fingerd in Node, but with an API and whatnot. I built it mostly as a demo for the Jr devs on my team who haven't had the opportunity to finger each other, but there are some ideas there I might bring back in other projects...

Nice. One can still get the weather by fingering, for example, paris@graph.no.

If you want encryption there is a way to hang it out over ssh protocol.

Which brings me to a very small project to create a quick password.

ssh -q passwd@netzbasis.de

Interesting. Didn’t know you could still finger the weather... will adjust my docs accordingly
I have been working for years now on Exomind[1], a personal knowledge management tool that takes the form of a unified inbox in which you can have your emails, tasks, notes and bookmarks organized into collections. I have an iOS and a web/electron client at the moment, and a simple Chrome extension for bookmarking. I plan to eventually add files (blobs), definitions and support extensibility via WASM applications.

Its backend (Exocore[2]) is built on top of a personal / private blockchain and is made from the ground up to be hosted in a semi-decentralized fashion on your own personal devices (your computer, raspberry pi, a cloud instance, etc.). It is written in Rust and has iOS, C and Web (WASM) clients.

It has very rough edges, but I'm using it daily to organize my life. It has also been my learning playground to improve my Rust skills over the last two years (it was on another tech stack before).

[1]: https://github.com/appaquet/exomind [2]: https://github.com/appaquet/exocore

Could you possibly share some screenshots, including of the gmail integration etc.? Or are they already there just I couldn't find?
I just added a few screenshots in the README: https://github.com/appaquet/exomind

As for the Gmail integration, it is quite crude at the moment. I use it mostly to organize incoming emails, but I still use Gmail to send or reply to my emails. Exomind inbox is synchronized with Gmail, so all emails that you remove from one or the other get removed / archived on the other side. It also supports multiple accounts.

If you are interested to try and not afraid of the rough edges, just let me know. I added Discussions to the GitHub repository.

I’m working on restoring a couple of old H.320 ISDN terminals and integrating them with something more modern. As part of this I’m building basically an entire ISDN stack including a software switch and H.320 multiplexer. Everything except the hardware (well, DAHDI is pissing me off rn, so I’m praying the non-Sangoma hardware I purchased is easier to set up). I have no idea how far I’ll get given the terminals are odd and mysterious in their own right and all the stuff is legacy and not really supported much anymore. Impossible to really monetize these days, but I plan on doing an extensive write up both of my analysis of the terminals hardware/firmware as well as releasing my stack/utilities under and open source license. I plan on it being extensive, but one step at a time. It’s starting to get difficult/expensive to find some of the hardware I need and as I mentioned earlier these terminals are kinda odd and I’ve kinda sat on them for months with just a little reversing.

In the meantime since DAHDI is giving me so many issues and I’m waiting to receive some alternative hardware, I’ve been working on a very, very rough software simulation of a.DS0/DS1 interface so I can at least start developing the ISDN stack on something.

I use Twitter a lot and often find really good tweets and want to bookmark them in different categories, so I can browse them easily next time, unfortunately Twitter doesn't offer categorization, so I built a Twitter bot and website to store Tweet bookmarks : https://bookmarklite.com

So far just me and 2 other users actively using it, lol

I work as a data analyst at a FAANG and what I love most about my job are the data visualization aspects. I really enjoy constantly revisiting and refining charts and dashboards until I’m satisfied with them.

That being said I’m able to spend very little time working on visually appealing content and instead I’m usually buried in SQL. So in my free time I like to publish visuals (leveraging whatever data visualization platforms peaked my interest that week) on my site thriftythoughts.io which focuses on bringing additional insight to financial independence and the FI/RE movement. It has quite a few subscribers but I started it with the intention of it being a creative outlet- not a means for revenue.

https://loodio.com - A smart device for bathroom privacy

I built it for myself because I just hate not having privacy living with my girlfriend. Then some other people enjoyed it and I made it into a product that is launching on Kickstarter soon.

And honestly I don’t care if it takes off or not.

I urgently need it.

However it would be nice to get back those 50k I’ve spent on the development process but in either case I learned a lot.

Curious if there’s some way I can contact you regarding questions about getting a hw startup off the ground. I have an idea for a small household electronic which would be similar in size and (probably) complexity to yours.
Do you know of the Japanese version?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan#The_Sound_Pri...

Edit: In a Shared Apartment we once connected a Radio and a Disco Ball to the light Switch. It was a windowless guest bathroom, we completely painted it black. Fun times.

Yes I bought it and tried it but it kinda sucks because you need to hold your hand against it and it’s pretty obvious what you are doing.

Loodio always plays music when you enter the bathroom unless you mute it.

IIRC just sitting (joking not intended) is enough to play Sound Princess. Maybe you put the machine on wrong place?
The one I have (latest model I think) you need to wave your hand in front of (closely).
It would be really funny to play some audio clips from south park.
Back the Kickstarter and if we reach enough funding we are adding support for your own music on a memory card ;)
My parents just had the radio hooked up to the same circuit that was driving the bathroom lights. You enter the room, turn on the lights and there was instant audio. Makes sense to put this into a product.
Yeah I wanted to do that but I was scared of playing with electricity so I built the first prototype with a raspberry Pi and soldered on a PIR-sensor to it.
It's amazing how we are repeatedly going full circle: we managed to stigmatize a completely natural farting sound (you are in a bathroom so the smell is contained), and then come up with "solutions" to feel free to produce the same sounds.

It took me a while, but I've convinced my wife that farting is ok, and that you should only worry about subjecting others to lousy odours, and even that only when you are visiting someone or some place (indoors). Closing the door usually resolves this. The stigma is especially bothersome with a naturally shy toddler who wouldn't take a dump anywhere but home.

FWIW, music does not stop people walking into smelly toilets, but to each their own. :)

The product likely even makes sense, I just find the phenomena curious and sometimes infuriating (like with my toddler).

My room was next to said bathroom with rather thin walls, so I always appreciated the sound at least be a bit played down by the music.

Another side effect was that you always knew when the bathroom was in use (aside from someone forgetting to turn the light off, which you now had radio playing to remind you off).

Oh, I am not disputing the fact it was likely helpful (and I only replied to your comment since it was one of the examples of "solutions" yet to get a reply; if anything, that one is pretty neat).

But why and how did we become bothered by the _sounds_ of it? Are you bothered by the coo-coos of birds, or morning rooster calls. Cats purring, screeching cat calls or dogs barking? All of these can be similarly annoying, but we are not "solving" them.

It's weird how our association of sounds with smells and dirtiness of taking a dump has made sounds which are rarely that bad in objective sense (loudness, pitch...) so unpleasant.

It's also how it's considered impolite to slurp a soup, and some people are outright disgusted by hearing it being done.

Well, the bathroom hasn’t always been existing in our own homes. We used to do our business in privacy away from the living quarters. So it’s great we can use technology to help us be comfortable again in the modern world.

That’s my understanding of it anyways.

I solve that problem by turning on the hairdryer. My wife thought I'm weird but she's starting to realize the benefits
Haha everyone has their own strat! My buddy runs down to the washing room in his apartment building whenever he has a date visiting...

You should save some electricity with a Loodio instead ;)

Do you want your wife to think you are washing your hair instead of taking a dump?
Good luck with your launch! Have you settled on a price yet? I didn't see one one the website.
Is 'privacy' code for 'being able to fart' in this context?
Farting is the least annoying of bodily sounds that happen in the bathroom.
Such as? I honestly want to know, because I've never experienced any sounds from others that were particularly annoying.
Someone trying to force out the contents of their bowels out? The sound of said contents making contact with the water in the bowl? Etc.
Fair enough, I can't really get upset about that. Everybody poops, man.
Is it more of a problem for you to hear others taking a dump or others hearing you?
I want something like this, but for dining rooms. If I were the king of the world, this would, by mandate, be built into every table.

I have a quirk that I can't stand eating in silence - hearing the biting and chewing sounds of other people, and of the utensils in operation, is causing me extreme discomfort (this also applies to my own sounds, but I usually have computer fan noise to accompany me when I eat alone). I need a source of noise - intense table conversations, or background music - anything that stops my mind from focusing on the sounds of food being eaten. My wife knows about this, and whenever we visit our families, she secretly arranges for some sort of music to be playing by the time we sit to dinner.

There are audiologists starting to work with misophonia patients now; you should see if there are any in your area and if they can help you with this at all. I've had some promising success so far.
I got a motion sensor that plays audio files on Amazon and put a waterfall type noise on loop. Only had to charge it every couple months. I think it was like $50. I hate random music in my life but maybe more people would prefer a variety of music
I’m the opposite because I’m tired of all the choices today. Just pick for me! Anyways Loodio will have a memory card reader so you can upload your own music. :)
This is a very niche product. It also solves a quirky issue, so finding people who'd be willing to actually pay for it is going to be a very big challenge. Also, and to be blunt, it is not terribly slick looking, so the $99 sticker doesn't seem to be well-justified.

Basically, your target audience are people (1) with this particular issue, (2) motivated enough to do something about it, (3) willing to pay the price and (4) liking the design/aesthetics. I realize that this is a "don't care if this succeeds" thread, but I'd still encourage you to not get your hopes high for the KS campaign.