It sits in a bad spot. Too powerful/expensive for the size. Bad battery life, like the SE.
Base-model is 800€ in Germany. Who would pay that for a powerful phone inherently limited by screen size??? The crowd looking for small form factors are looking for phone-essentialism/minimalism. Communications, availability/battery life and camera. I would pay 500€ for that. (I wouldn't buy the SE for the bad battery life.)
Speak for yourself. I bought it immediately. I want a full featured phone that isn’t massive, and easily fits in smaller pockets. The SE was my previous favorite phone.
I suppose there aren’t many of us that prefer smaller phones, but we’re not all chasing “phone-essentialism”.
The SE 2 has bad battery life but the original SE had excellent battery life. Easy to get confused and not surprising given Apple gave them both the same name.
> The crowd looking for small form factors are looking for phone-essentialism/minimalism.
My phone broke this weak and I had a choice of what to buy...I bought the iPhone 12 mini. I was not looking for minimalism. I'm an adult man 6'3 and I can hold an iPhone in one hand and end up really struggling to reach the top left part of the screen with my thumb. The iPhone 12 mini solves that problem. If I hadn't got the mini I would've bought the XR most likely. Phone batteries are basically good enough. Phone cameras are basically good enough. I want a phone I can use in 1 hand. I'm willing to accept I'm not a mass market.
- User base overlap with the new SE. It's possible potential buyers had already upgraded to the new SE several months earlier before the mini was announced. (anecdotally I know a couple of these)
- Not having the ability to try it out in person. I could see risk aversion leading to more "status quo" purchases of people worried it could be too small.
Anecdotal but the reason I wanted a smaller phone was to be able to use it comfortable with one hand (I use an OG iPhone SE now), and the screen size of the iPhone 12 mini is on par with the 6/7/8 plus, which are very much not usable with one hand. The fact that my OG SE still runs perfectly fine on the latest iOS doesn't hurt either.
Pity. I personally wish there were more phones like that. But then again, I'd also like 3,5mm jack in 12 mini or 2020 SE. And USB-C. One can dream I guess.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 44.0 ms ] threadBase-model is 800€ in Germany. Who would pay that for a powerful phone inherently limited by screen size??? The crowd looking for small form factors are looking for phone-essentialism/minimalism. Communications, availability/battery life and camera. I would pay 500€ for that. (I wouldn't buy the SE for the bad battery life.)
I suppose there aren’t many of us that prefer smaller phones, but we’re not all chasing “phone-essentialism”.
My phone broke this weak and I had a choice of what to buy...I bought the iPhone 12 mini. I was not looking for minimalism. I'm an adult man 6'3 and I can hold an iPhone in one hand and end up really struggling to reach the top left part of the screen with my thumb. The iPhone 12 mini solves that problem. If I hadn't got the mini I would've bought the XR most likely. Phone batteries are basically good enough. Phone cameras are basically good enough. I want a phone I can use in 1 hand. I'm willing to accept I'm not a mass market.
- User base overlap with the new SE. It's possible potential buyers had already upgraded to the new SE several months earlier before the mini was announced. (anecdotally I know a couple of these)
- Not having the ability to try it out in person. I could see risk aversion leading to more "status quo" purchases of people worried it could be too small.
EDIT: I had heard the rumors but you can't expect people to delay their phone purchase several months based on a rumor