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I'm not sure I like this: - http://www.dwolla.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/uuiy.p...

Zaarly is requesting permission for the following: "Allows money to be pulled out [by Zaarly] and sent to your contacts."

Seriously?

I want to opt-in for each purchase. I want only one-time use transactions, I refuse to grant some third party the ability to suck money from my account. That's why I'll never use ACH or a debit card for subscription-based services. This sounds like that is exactly what I'ld be doing?

You can opt-in for each purchase... it's optional to grant 3rd party permissions
To add onto that, if you think about it, a lot of other payment platforms already do this without your knowledge.

How else do you think you get stuck with recurring magazine charges for Highlights Magazine... Or is that just me? Anyway, when we do it you have total and utter control over the access third parties have.

Another way to look at it: What if Visa allowed you to see everyone that has had access to your billing information to revoke or change it as you pleased? We thought that'd be huge, especially because you, the consumer, aren't exposing personal information. Also, because 3rd parties aren't allowed to access or store your credentials, they don't have the liability of protecting it.

It's still permission oriented, like swiping, but centralized for independent control.

Go here to see what it will look like to manage those "permissions": http://www.dwolla.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Grid-c...

Okay, after reading that page, I still don't know what Dwolla Grid is.
I think it's magic, seeing as how it's 'free' and can keep your info secure like that.

Neither of which I believe.

Ha, fair enough.

The Members Group is a financial services company (serving roughly 2 million members) and is one of our main investors and security partners. Working together with them, we've been able to provide Grid's distribution for free.

But you do bring up a good point to clarify. While the Grid is free, using our rails is not. In our online and mobile platforms, we charge a flat fee of 25 cents, no matter the size of the transaction. So, when a third party does build on top of our network, we still hold onto that quarter. This is our only fee.

Sorry for misleading you. I'll change the verbiage.

Jared,

I'm pretty sure your assumptions about what it means to have The Members Group as an investor need to be double-checked. I believe you're still going to need licenses to operate in most states.

Aaron

licensed for what?
dwolla grid looks like it holds and transfers money for people, which sounds somewhat "bankish". (IIRC, paypal managed to skirt that line, at least for a while.)

For example, if you do a $15k transaction, do you have reporting requirements?

This is just a guess, but I think this is a commercial implementation of the loom grid.

With dwolla being the people who hold your actual cash that you use their system to trade around with.

Just a guess though.

I went ahead and upvoted the link anyway. I'm hoping that someone who knows what it is will see it on HN and inform the rest of us poor souls.
Happy to help.

Grid is an Oauth API that allows third party access to our payment network, Dwolla.

In case you're not familiar with Dwolla, we're a cash-based network that is devoid of credit cards (this is how we operate so cheaply). We allow our users to send money through their social networks, buy goods at local stores based on their location (called spots: http://www.dwolla.org/blog/dwolla-spots-the-future-of-paymen...), all for a flat fee of 25 cents.

Grid provides developers access to all of this to build new technologies we haven't even thought of.

Does this help, at all?

hey jslampe, thanks for answering - if Dwolla is cash based, how do I put money in my account? Do I mail you a check? Sorry if my question sounds silly but it's genuine confusion on my part. If the service is cash based, how is money transferred? how can cash in an account be taken out?

also, is it only for the US?

Yes, actually. Thanks for explaining!
No, no worries. Not a dumb question, especially considering how we phrased it on the blog. I think we got used to people being really familiar with our product, so launching right into a big blog release like that (which is our style) threw a lot of new people off.

To answer your question, we do work with the ACH system to load a Dwolla account, and yes, we work strictly in the US as of now.

Steps to do so:

1.) open account at https://www.dwolla.com/register.aspx NOTE: AFTER THIS, YOUR ACCOUNT CAN NOW RECEIVE DWOLLA PAYMENTS. Cool, huh? Feel free to follow @dwollaX on twitter to get a few bucks free and demo our social integration p2p feature.

2.) Verify your bank: security is obviously a top concern of ours, so we will make two small deposits into your bank account, which you will verify (this will take 2-3 business days). This is a one-time occurrence.

3.) Initiate a load to your Dwolla balance: This will take 2-3 business.

We're working with new banking products to make this process speed up exponentially, but so far, we've seen tremendous growth with Dwolla Spots and our flat 25 cent fee. Checkout our map: dwolla.com/spots.

So is this kind of like Paypal but with a carried balance?
kinda - without massive percentage based fees + mobile and social payments
So where does Cash become involved?
While we do have carried balances, which is stored by our other investors (non-interest baring), The Veridian Group, we do differ from PayPal on several fronts (disclaimer: PR messaging, sorry).

1.) Low-cost, flat fee of 25 cents 2.) Social integration (with Facebook and Twitter) for p2p transfers 3.) Location-based payments (see Dwolla Spots) 4.) FiSync, our financial services product(see TechCrunch coverage here: http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/25/dwollas-fisync-lets-you-ins... 5.) And now Grid (which theoretically could allow us to be a loading mechanism for PayPal)

thanks for answering, i'm excited for your product and would like to try it if you guys get a canada release.
It doesn't clarify anything for me, really.

I feel like your PR is ahead of your product.

Hmm, sorry. Could you e-mail us with some more specifics? Give me or a new voice another chance to answer?
I feel like I read a product announcement that claimed this thing is here, and world-changing.

But I couldn't see anything I could use today, as a consumer, merchant or developer, so it didn't feel like it was here.

And I couldn't really understand why it was so great, even if it was here... so it didn't feel world-changing.

I've seen a lot of companies do this, where they pump up things that are still in the pipeline for one reason or another, and the net result is that visitors like me feel like we wasted our time by giving you our attention.

Cash has always been more secure than plastic.
Yeah. That is the most baffling part of this wholly baffling post. Unless you conflate "plastic" with "credit cards" and count the ability to retract a payment as a security feature, which is confusing, if not dishonest.
Hey, everyone I'd invite you all to checkout some other coverage that may help clear things up a bit:

-http://www.siliconprairienews.com/2011/06/dwolla-releases-gr... -http://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/06/07/dwollas-grid-api-could...

Honestly, we severely underestimated the demand and intrigue Grid would garner among certain tech circles (we mainly built this to assist in our financial services product, called FiSync).

We understand you all have questions, many of them as a result of encountering something "new." We'd be happy to help clarify any questions you might have.

Also, feel free to check our recent coverage (http://www.dwolla.org/help/dwolla-in-the-news/). Hopefully, combined with this information, we'll be able to better communicate what Grid is.

I work for a payment processor and so I'm interested in the space, but I'm not quite following. I see a lot of conclusions rather than any explanation behind it. Disappointing since I'd like to see something new and cool here.
Confused about the cost. At the end of the article it says -- "Nothing. It’s free. For everyone.". At the bottom of the page it says -- "Dwolla is just 25 cents per transaction.".
using the Grid feature as a developer and end user is free. However there is a 25c flat transaction fee that is to be paid for by either party in the transaction
Hey, I went ahead and updated that per a conversation below, sorry for the confusion. Yes, we do keep our 25 cents and is still far cheaper than the 2-6% interchange and 30 cent processing fees associated with the other networks. It's also a safer network for developers, as they're not responsible for handling and storing credentials (#sony).

To clarify, I kept the update (the thing I think you're quoting)at the bottom, but changed some of the verbiage in the post to better reflect this.

like...total confusion... confusing article. confusing comments....

if it quacks like a duck, that it must be a.. paypal?

or how are you guys different from paypal, again?

something about third party developers....how are you going to atract 3rd-parties if I as a consumer after reading post and comments still do not understand what your service does, and what are the benefits...apart from privacy - this stuff is just plain pointless in this day and age....

Why is Dwolla using a .org? Also, I think a plain English description of what Dwolla is or is trying to do would be helpful (and I've been in the payments business for the past 20 years).