Ask HN: Does anyone actually use the Pomodoro technique?
I did some research and wrote about how the default 25-minute time intervals is better for breaking a procrastination habit, but longer time intervals like 50 minutes are actually needed to do deep work. Link: https://tinyurl.com/r5drje9p
I know only like one person who actually does the technique. So if you do pomodoro, how has it helped and in what ways? How do you make it stick?
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 108 ms ] threadI only use the technique some of the time. I find the same results as above when I do. When I use the technique I don't use a sound alarm as I find it breaks my flow. Instead I tend try to break work into 20m bites, giving myself a 5-10 minute grace period/break. I try to get up and stretch at the 25m mark, then get back to work. It helps my focus on long slogs, and my health has also improved since I am no longer doing the 4-6h without moving from my chair anymore.
Note that I aim for shows with episodes that last less than 30 minutes. The office was a great show to use but sadly was removed. Now using community.
I can get so much focus/productive work done that way.
I use a software timer and turn off all distractions. It is invaluable.
The most valuable thing for me is developing my meta-cognition and self awareness, so I know when my productivity is starting to dip and I take a break, do exercise or take a nap.
It took me a while to get this right because my high ambition and drive would be impatient with my need to rest and push me to continue, but like so many things in life, realising the path to success is not a straight line to be brute-forced, but complex path that is subject to update and reorientation, once I accepted this, productivity skyrocketed.
(For physical tasks I use podcasts, like pryelluw's Netflix technique. Bonus points if there's a podcast whose release schedule matches how often I have to do a particular task.)
Breaks are short enough that your mind doesn't wander too far and often enough, to not feel like a break is still 4 hours away.
The benefit of this is that it turns the whole process into a habit. It's not about today or tomorrow, but rather about the 2-3 weeks that you spent studying. This helps me with feeling positive about the progress I made (even if it's small).
Some things that help me:
- Reminding myself that I took those 8 hours for myself (to get things done)
- Having a deadline (exams) allows me to schedule topics (set expectations low)
- I don't have any apps to doomscroll (twitter, facebook, instagram), so a 5 minute break is plenty to respond to a friend
- Most of my breaks are not spent on my phone (getting water, fresh air, walking around house, stretching, talking to people)
I do around 4 to 5 sessions per day which hits the sweet spot for me as I can endure this for multiple months without having to take days off. This comes at the expense of having to start a few weeks earlier to have enough time to prepare for tests compared to cramming 12 hour days the week before
At least for me. Using 50/10 meanwhile because when I used 25/5 I just closed the Pomodoro app to keep going instead of being reminded to make a pause again and again. It felt like snoozing away the wake up alarm all the time. But I didn't want to wake up!
50/10 mins with a warning at 40mins is way better. The 10 minutes usually are used to get something to drink/snack/coffee giving the ADD-shakes in my legs something else to do (walking).
It happens from time to time, when I'm really into something, that I just switch it off to stay zoned out for hours.
PS: Thanks for the link.
For some reason I get enough of a kick out of programming that I never need to take a break. I can play music and code for hours but tell me to write longform and I need a really good cajoling.
In my version, I break down the task into discrete steps and give myself a check mark for every sprint completed toward each step.
The simple HTML format makes this more successful for me than the content-rich alternatives available elsewhere online. It also works if you save the HTML file to your desktop—so you can use it offline.
It's less useful for me when there's a big feature to code and all I need to do is start pumping out code.
Similarly, I don't tend to feed back the actual duration info into my system. I could--my task tracker has an estimate field I don't use since I estimate in numbers of pomodoros, so I could put real times there. But I doubt I'd look at them so I haven't bothered. So I don't necessarily get the benefits Pomodoro outlines re: making estimates better. I do think that having to break stuff down into sub 2 hour (and preferably sub 25m) chunks has helped me there, but it's an indirect benefit.
But the timer itself is invaluable.
I have ADHD and anxiety issues, and big tasks get intimidating enough that I have problems starting them. I was already using an "I'll put N minutes on the egg timer, then I can decide to bail if I want" technique to cut intimidation and get started. It's a very well-known way to get over that first hump.
Pomodoro just formalized that a little more for me: now I make that call at the end of each 25m Pomodoro. I invariably end up stringing a few together before I bail, so it works for me.
I really enjoy using it as a browser plugin, bc you can configure most of them to also block distracting sites, and offer some level of "do you want to quit?" which is more of an emotional appear than a text editor gives me when editing etc/hosts.
I agree the 25min time is short for deep work. Usually a I do 1-2 25min periods to warm up, a 40min period of longer work, and then ramp it up to 1 or 2 90min periods with 10-20min breaks. When I go over 90min periods, I find I'm burnt out before the period ends and end up wasting time waiting for my break. Also I find I only get 5 or 6 periods of any length before I'm burnt out enough that a longer break is required.
Also that 5min period of rest may seem like not much, but if the work is overall interesting you will find yourself returning with a renewed vigor due to delayed gratification. Its a little jolt that can lengthen an overall work period making the breaks quickly pay for themselves.
I do find it clashes when you have external distractions like a spouse or animal. They don't understand the flow, and will expect you to break whenever, which can throw you out of the rhythm.
Overall using pomodoro allows you to think about one less thing and devote more energy to what matters. And if you are prone to procrastination/distraction that one thing can actually be pretty big.
The best technique so far for me? Working around somebody who is working too. Helps tremendously.
I try to stand up and walk around in the breaks to counteract sitting all day.
I feel like it's vastly over hyped, but also like it's an excellent tool in the right situations.
If you have to try to make it stick, it's not for you. It's either magical or it doesn't work.
It's great for project management purposes though. I use it as a way to charge clients - I charge them per "pomodoro" instead of per hours sitting in front of the computer. And it helps to track how long some jobs take to do.