Ask HN: Moving to US from Argentina for college. Any advice for a newcomer?
As the title says, I'll be going next week to the US since I'm taking college classes there.
I know that the US has a very unique culture (e.g tip everywhere!)
Any advice for a newcomer to the states like me?
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 132 ms ] threadTake an inventory of things that you use in Argentina and how you plan on getting those in America (must-haves).
Avoid discussing religion/politics/race unless you are familiar with what would be offensive to certain people. Mask-wearing could also get political although I think most people would be fine if you choose to mask.
Otherwise, you should be fine. Good luck!
My advice is to look more into the city/state experience and culture.
Probably the things you will enjoy the most will be the food. Try some ranch dressing, get a cheeseburger, have some regional specialties like BBQ(every state does it different), Cajun or even pizza (NY style is very different from Chicago).
All of that said, my favorite thing about the US is the national parks, especially out west they are incredible. Some of my favorites being: Zion, Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, Arches, Monument Valley and the Grand Canyon. Even people that live here not many have had the chance to see these places, but they can still get crowded depending on the time of year.
good luck, I hope you have a great time.
OP said they were from Argentina.
My advice was literally going to be "Don't expect meat when you order it in the States, because it's going to be a sad comparison to what you're used to."
It is a big country—enjoy as much of it as you can. When you do, you will see what I am suggesting. For example, people from the state of Virginia can be just as out of place in Los Angeles as you might be.
In general, Americans are friendly and helpful when asked, but don’t be surprised to see people moving fast, with heads down, and minding their own business.
Productivity, competitiveness and independence are primary drivers in the US culture. You might see this at school, as well. But generally, college kids are having fun.
As adults, I wouldn’t characterize us as fun-loving people. We are pretty serious about everything, including playtime.
I will be curious to see how others might respond...
Other misc stuff:
- Look for international student groups/clubs in your campus; it's a great way to make friends, especially once things start opening up with the vaccination rollouts.
- Bring a stash of alfajors and other local goodies, you'll miss them soon enough.
- Be prepared to learn about the differences in spanish dialects from every country in south america :)
People's notion of promptness as it pertains to social functions may be different than what you're used to. If you're going to a party, show up an hour or so after the indicated starting time, but if you're meeting with a few friends to hang out or for a drink, arrive more or less at the agreed time.
Public display of affection like that which Argentines are accustomed to is frowned upon here. Bienvenido a yanquilandia!
Generally speaking, americans tend to be less touchy-feely. For example, it's common for close asian male friends to wrap arms around each other while standing side by side, whereas in US this act has a homosexual connotation.
30 is a great age. Take advantage of it and do some traveling.
Are you referring to the single cheek kiss used as a greeting? This is generally reserved for friends, friends of friends and family. The term PDA is generally used in a romantic context.
I have travelled pretty extensively in Argentina - from BA to Mendoza and from Salta down to Ushuia and PDA is not a characteristic I would associate with Argentina which on the whole is pretty religious and conservative.
No. I'm referring to full-on making out with your significant other in a public setting. Like in a park during the day, in McDonald's next to the kids bouncy ball pen, on the bus, etc.
If you have any other questions about what it's like to live in Argentina, direct them to OP. As much as I enjoy chasing goalposts, I am leaving now.
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- The US system of credit cards is really weird. If you do not happen to have an American Express (which does cross-border), you should try to open up a credit card as soon as possible. Most likely with the bank that you use for checking accounts. Do not pay off the balance before it is due. Wait until the bill is finalized, then pay it within a day or two. Look up “credit score” and “how to build credit”
- Rental agreements are on a 12 months basis (at least in NYC). You might need a guarantor to get an apartment or proof you have enough money to pay the bill for the 6 months or so since you don’t have a credit score
- health insurance is really funky. They are employment based (employers decide your plan provider). Nobody understands their health plans. There is health, vision and dental insurance as the main ones. Expect to pay a lot of money out of pocket and to never know what you will pay in advance
- as you said tipping is mandatory. 18% is the lower limit.
- drinking in public places is usually prohibited
- if you get caught drinking under 21, it is a misdemeanour and you can get arrested
- I hate to say this but: cops are not your friend. Know your rights
It's "insurance" in the same way paying someone not to burn down your business is "insurance." Simpler and often cheaper to pay out of pocket.
> drinking in public places is usually prohibited
Unless you're in New Orleans.
Often schools will have a health plan / HMO style office to address common issues.
I would recommend paying into the school health plan if it is offered and it is reasonable.
Just out of curiosity, where do you live? I've worked front of house at many different restaurants in an expensive city on the west coast, though this was 6 or 7 years ago. I was under the impression 10% was bare minimum, 15% was the next step up, and 20% was generous.
Wow, that's a bit sensational. Using LA/NYC as a point of reference, tipping is basically a spectrum. For drinks in a bar the minimum tip is a dollar and two is a good tip. For a taxi driver 15% is acceptable for average service and 20% would be for good service. For dining out 15% is perfectly adequate for just average service and 20% and above for good service. Counter tipping is it's own special thing but generally stuffing a dollar in the tip is jar is acceptable.
Grocery stores often have international sections, you may be able to find some stuff you're familiar with in the Hispanic Foods section. There is dulce de leche, but it's not the same thing. You can find canned yerba mate tea from the Guaiaki brand. Again, it's not the one you drink, but it's at least something.
I think this is an exaggeration(Like saying a Brit can't understand an American or something). The meaning of some words may be different but to say they can't understand each other is a far stretch. Some countries still use the vosotros conjugation but I don't think that is going to be an issue.
In my experience, latinos in school often end up congregating with other latinos and they're usually able to get past the linguistic differences fairly quickly (and the linguistic idiosyncrasies becomes a recurring topic of conversation), so I think the concern about difficulty to communicate doesn't apply as much for the native spanish speaker (since they can just switch to english to speak to a non-native-spanish speaker)
Though it does remind me of the time a friend and I wandered into a Billy Connolly (the Scottish comedian) stand-up performance in Dublin, and we both spent the first 45 minutes not being able to understand a single word the guy said. Which was doubly frustrating since the Irish audience around us was laughing their asses off.
* Get a local bank account. Turn off the thing called 'overdraft protection'. It's a loan mechanism.
* Find the other foreign students in your class. They'll know where to pirate all the textbooks. Never pay for a US textbook. Extortionary and when you get your degree no one knows you used pirate texts.
* Choose a smart major. In the US, people will tell you to learn history and shit like that. Waste of money. In fact, in the US, beware of people who try to sell you a "mission" rather than pursuit of a good life. The US allows rapid individual growth. Mission easy to pursue afterwards.
* Do not work. Your F-1 will permit you to under some circumstances. If possible, the only work you should do should be TA/RA stuff or related to your major. Do not work otherwise. It will take away from studying.
* Get a cheap bicycle / skateboard. Cheapest form of transport. US transit is very bad. Even in most unis. Do not buy expensive bike + expensive lock. Get cheap used bike and cheap lock. Skateboard is better since you can carry it with you.
* Find all college events that involve recruiting, symposiums, etc. Attend all for food.
* Get cheapest mobile plan possible. Many MVNOs available. Get cheapest phone. Used preferable.
* Get internships if possible. Permissible on your F-1 / J-1. Very good experience. Live experience >>> in-school learning.
* Americans are almost universally wealthy. Beware of imitating them if you are not. It is possible to be social without keeping up with the joneses.
* Do not self-isolate. Social interaction is the biggest advantage of US college apart from the high quality education. Especially interact with Americans. They will likely spend the rest of their lives in America.
I would beg to differ. Sure, the average standard of living and "lifestyle" in the US is above many countries, but to say that everyone is wealthy is a flat out lie.
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If so, that would, mathematically, also include a minimum of about 75% of the US population, and that assumes the entire global top 1% is American, which it isn’t.
The poorest Americans are definitely much poorer than the poorest western europeans [1]. Western Europe has 196 million people (about 2.4% of the world population) [2].
I'd estimate that 10% of the world population (790 million people) has a comfortable modern middle class life. It's just an intuition. Northen Europe as 106 million people.
[1] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/western-europ....
I would add to this list:
* learn to cook for yourself. Not just frozen food. $50 on groceries can go a long way once you’ve figure out what you enjoy cooking and eating
* stay active. There should be a gym on campus. Use it, set some personal goals and track YOUR improvement, don’t compare yourself to others. Also, play a sport that you like (ex. soccer, basketball) it’s a good way to meet people outside your studies.
* keep yourself and your house clean. It will make for a distraction free environment and will help you stay organized.
* limit your alcohol intake. Don’t drink to excess or just because. It’s common for students to abuse alcohol and it can get in the way of your progress.
* set a bedtime. Develop good sleeping habits. Don’t stay up late watching tv. Put yourself to bed and let your body rest. Staying up late for assignments is also bad.
I guess overall I would say try to learn how to live in a way that helps you achieve your goals easier and sets up your day in the best way possible. Make good habits, be consistent and after a while it won’t be as effortful. But remind yourself what you are doing and why and refrain from backsliding.
* Cooking for yourself can be vastly cheaper since there will be steep discounts on food that is about to hit its sell-by date: this food is still usually good for a couple of days. This isn't something you see in every country.
* Gym facilities are really good even in US unis that are only top 50. Like exceptionally good. Squat racks, benches, lots of weights, indoor tracks, sports courts, cheap or free rental equipment. Uni healthcare is also pretty decent unlike general US healthcare.
* The US definitely has a binge drinking problem that is worse than any other country. Participating in many social events will require partaking but if you're smart you can ration the alcohol and still get almost all the social benefit. You definitely don't want to attempt to keep up with the Americans. They are very friendly and will offer you lots but if you've always got a non-empty cup you'll be okay
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I agree get a Credit card. There are 4 primary choices:
1) American Express - charges an annual fee, but provides benefits, which are typically of value to travels. Accepted at most places.
2&3) Visa / MasterCard. Pretty much the same as each other. These are sponsored by various financial institutions. Benefits and cost vary radically, shop around. I typically use Visa as it seems everyone accepts it.
4) Discover - easiest of the 4 to get, but not as universally accepted.
Bank: There are 3 types of banks: Your standard traditional bank, insured by either the FDIC or a state agency (up 250K per account). These are for profit operations.
Credit unions - usually non profit. They are usually regional or concept regional (people who work for company XYZZY). You can often join the concept ones if you donate a trivial amount of money to 'Friends of XYZZY'. These are also insured (up 250K per account) by a variety of either US government or state agencies. Since they are non profit they often have your best interest at heart. Less services than a bank. Most schools have a credit union. If you can join it before you travel to the US all the better.
Non insured bank or credit union - just avoid. They offer the world and then go belly up.
Money xfer - I assume you need to move money. I use transferwise as it only costs me 1% to change money. Most US banks are expensive to change money.
For tipping I recommend you get a book. The opinions on it are all over the place.
As a local I think our understanding of what you might find strange or confusing, is probably a bit off.
Other folks who have made that move might better understand where you're coming from.
If you spend enough time in USA, build business and then decide to move to less tax abusive and freedom restricting environment - you still will be owing a big chunk of your income to US government, every year, forever. There are some miniscule deductions but they won't really work for 7 figure entrepreneurs.
And with the current administration mentality this situation is not going to get better.
Something to consider.
My biggest piece of advice is to not expect the US to be Arg. “I can’t believe these Americans do X, in Argentina is Y” is a useless thought unless used as a joke or just a comparison. Some people come to the US and never care to teach themselves to be a US resident/citizen, and they stay in their bubbles denying that THEY moved to a new country on their own.
People in the streets will think you speak Portuguese. Actually, those who are somewhat educated will know you’re near Brazil but for some reason won’t be able to figure out you are NOT Brazil.
Those less educated won’t even know where Argentina is.
I find it endearing, don’t get discouraged and use it as a conversation piece. I like to say “do you know where that is? Or just “let me show you on the map” after I say I’m from Argentina.
I know how this sounds, but I’ve travelled most of the country by car and I’ve been in very small towns of the Midwest and if you’re on the whiter side of Argentinian skin tone then you’ll be better received. Sad but true.
Learn to pronounce the letter “I”, and the Th. They are not found in Spanish so it’s weird. Scissors is not “seesors”, lift is not leeft. And Three is not tree, Thick is not tick. Etc
For the most part be yourself, our culture is not that far removed from the US.
Edit: not sure what your upbringing was like, but try not to fall into the consumerism that will make you take a loan or a credit for everything. You’ll see peers driving a $40k car in school and you’ll think that you can do it too, you can, but paying $600 a month in a car is NOT the way to do it. Argentinians are somewhat frugal, stay that way and you’ll find yourself not worrying about money very soon.