Ask HN: For those who use Chrome, why do you?
It seems every other day there's news on the front page here about some major privacy or performance feat by Firefox or some other minor browser.
It makes me wonder, for those of you who use Chrome and browse this site (implying you're above average in tech knowledge, privacy worries, etc), why do you use Chrome?
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 184 ms ] threadSupposedly people said Edge is Chromium based, and is better, less memory usage, etc. I tried it, it just feels more clunky, takes longer to open, pages take longer to load. I also dislike the interface, chrome's interface seems more natural to me. And of course doesn't have the same extensions.
Firefox feels faster than chrome for certain sites, but I find it has issues with other sites. Might be because sites design for Chrome these days. Also Firefox like the original Netscape has random freezes and bugs. A lot less, but I find chrome just works most of the time with less problems.
An example site I can think of, off the top of my head, youtube works way smoother in chrome than firefox. I'm not a huge youtube fan but lately I've been trying to view content that happens to be only available on youtube. Opera has even worse youtube support.
I can't remember why I stopped using Chromium but I think it was a lack of extension support. I recalled it lacked something Chrome had that was important to me. If it's important to you, I can use it again so I can remind myself what it was.
For the record I do use Firefox as my backup browser, and I would say it's better than Chrome at some things (it loads certain sites faster, and has better extension support), and better privacy options, but overall Chrome works better for every site.
Cookie Auto-Delete removes all persistent traces of my browsing (Cache, IndexedDB, LocalStorage, Plugin Data, Service Workers, Cookies) unless I have whitelisted a site. And you can whitelist sites on a per-container basis - the integration with Multi-Account Containers is solid.
Container Proxy lets me set up different SOCKS proxies per container. For example, if you have a system-wide VPN with a killswitch running, but want to stream from Netflix or HBO, you can attach a SOCKS proxy to a new "Streaming" container that connects to a SOCKS server running on your local network, effectively bypassing your VPN. Alternatively, if you want to make sure a container is unable to connect to anything without going through a VPN connection, you can bind the container to the SOCKS server on localhost created by your VPN client. You can then use this to set up multiple geographically separate "identities" that don't mix with each other.
All three extensions are reviewed by Mozilla - and Multi-Account Containers is actually written by Mozilla!
After using this setup, I feel that context separation is the future to privacy (and perhaps even security, as Qubes OS demonstrates.)
[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...
[2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/container-pro...
[3]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...
[0] https://addons.mozilla.org/sv-SE/android/search/
Most developers develop for Chrome and don't even consider Firefox.
I'm not particularly fond of Google (and growing less fond by-the-week) but the best I can do for now is use Firefox for 95% of things and keep Chrome around for the rest.
Chrome also just by far has the best compatibility throughout the web. Whenever I try going to another browser, I always keep a copy of Chrome just so that I can pay utilities (because, of course, their site is broken on Safari, for example).
Also, I use all three major desktop OSes, and Chrome has been the most consistent throughout all 3. Firefox use to have serious rendering issues on macOS; I believe they may have been fixed but I can't be arsed to keep track of that.
[1]: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser
[2]: https://github.com/chromium/chromium/releases/tag/90.0.4430....
If privacy above all is your goal, then Firefox is your best bet.
ETA: Don't take my word for it:
https://gizmodo.com/brave-blows-up-its-whole-reason-for-exis...
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/06/07/brave-browser-caugh...
It’s much like deciding which nutritional studies to trust when most people aren’t scientists and are just reposting memes.
And although I don’t know what’s going on anymore, I have residual trust in the Chrome team since I used to work for Google.
But I don't think my co-workers were evil, and though I didn't work personally with them much, I think the folks on the privacy and security teams know their business.
Public blog posts can be extremely difficult to understand though, I'm guessing because it's gotten so political. You can get a bit more from "intent to ship" emails on the public mailing lists.
You don't have to be evil to do things that result in terrible outcomes.
I genuinely don't think anyone at Facebook wanted to create a propaganda tool, but that was the aggregate outcome.
I don't think anyone at Google set out to build an invasive surveillance platform. But in aggregate that's what's happened.
There's real danger in assuming you will only get bad outcomes because of bad people. Unintended consequences are a thing and I personally think most of the negatives of big tech come from precisely that.
If we can't acknowledge that because we insist on labelling everything and everyone good or evil, we'll never actually solve these issues.
Links about things like that do get posted here and that keeps me coming back. But it seems like for certain topics, good-faith critiques are often intermingled with large amounts of contempt. Often the contempt gets upvoted too, just because a lot of people agree with the sentiment.
I wonder if it would be possible to discuss such things without the contempt? Even the Chrome team’s attempts to improve security and privacy get discussed with contempt.
- Best devtools, particularity regarding how the tools feel to browse around in.
- Feels slightly better to browse with. Only small differences, like how scroll is just a bit "smooth".
- Looks better ui-wise. (arguably a personal take, but also arguably not)
- (as others will note) Because it's essentially standard at this point, and I work with webdev.
I use chromium though, at least it makes things less google-y. And I thoroughly dislike the Alphabet-monopoly situation and all the bad things it brings. I really wish browsers were far less centralized than they are right now, and that some kind of web-standards consortium worked better than it does. But I don't pretend to be able to fix things like that right now. Besides, at this point, the whole Alphabet-monopoly situation is arguably a political issue rather than a technical one. (Political issues require political solutions)
been using firefox for about 5 years now, whenever i have to debug in chromium based browser I think the exact same thing about firefox. I feel like this could be a case of whatever you are used to. Like how android feels vs ios
That’s makes chrome more power user friendly. Sadly
Usually that means I open a ton of windows and can still see all the tabs in each window
In Chrome you have pretty little button you click on that lists all your profiles in a nice looking way; with two actions you're done.
In Firefox, you have to type about:profiles, you get a horrendously looking list with all sorts of useless information, it's just a pain to access and look at.
Implement the same UX Chrome has for profiles in Firefox and you'll get more people on board.
That person does not want something new, they just want to use their existing workflow, which is possible, but inconvenient due to bad UX and ugly UI. These are their words, not mine.
As a user of both containers and profiles in Firefox I have to agree with them. The UX needs to improve and the UI needs to be prettyfied.
the add-ons are basically just the interfaces for you to access that core functionality.
If you don't want to trust the add-on developer just use the official one made by Mozila. It is the one i use.
https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/multi-account...
Additionally Firefix also have profiles as a core funtionality, it already had it before chrome even existed so it had it much longer then chrome had.. But again is mostly hidden away..
You can access it with the command below:
firefox -ProfileManager
But as with containers there are add-ons to make as easy as chrome to switch between profiles.. Although i don't think there is an official one by Mozilla..
- Most of our web-app users are on Chrome anyway.
- The dev-tools are excellent.
- I'm lazy and it already has all my passwords.