The Zenith Operating System is a modernized, professional fork of the 64-bit Temple Operating System. Guiding principles of development include transparency, full user control, and adherence to public-domain/open-source implementations.
I never knew how to feel about TempleOS given Terry’s increasingly erratic behavior until his death.
The guy was obviously very smart, but it’s hard to separate the work from some of the things he said. (Thinking about him dropping N-words in his videos)
Terry had obvious mental illness. It's harder for me to be prejudiced against the imperfect nature of human brains than it is to evaluate work on its own merit.
As a counter example, do you feel comfortable benefitting from the work of people who you don't know haven't ever said or done anything that someone might find objectionable? If not, you're probably less morally or ethically motivated than you are susceptible to ostricism.
This reminds me of the ethics behind modern British air-sea rescue techniques, where they learned to lift people from freezing water in a horizontal position instead of vertical because this had a higher rate of survival. The data behind the science came from Nazi experiments in Dachau.
"Victims are ethically owed many things: recognition that what was done to them was indeed wrong, a credible indication that the society takes this seriously, an effort to identify, apprehend and punish the perpetrators, and compensation for their ongoing suffering and disadvantage. But beyond this, we have an obligation not to forget, and not to whitewash."
He didn't even mean it in a racist way. He had nothing against black people. He thought saying it saves him from CIA monitoring, and his usage usually referred to groups of predominantly white people ("CIA n..." was his most common usage).
Believe it as much as you'd believe a guy who thought that aliens and the CIA are working together to prevent the second coming of Jesus Christ and the God turned him into the smartest programmer in the world because he's The Chosen One to fight them by making an operating system based on God's direct instructions. It's his own words, and consistent with his behavior; he shared positivity towards black people too. He absolutely wasn't racist pre-schizofrenia - also a total atheist.
>The idea that a kind of forced toxicity can be a necessary protection to do good is worthy of a dystopian sci fi novel!
I don't know if it's fair to call it forced toxicity, so much as psuedo-toxicity; he's using it as red herring (or maybe a honeypot?) and following the rule: if you specifically want to be avoided by cancel culture... just get yourself cancelled :)
That is, he's using the toxic word without the toxic meaning, to bypass shallow filters that lack the nuance to catch on.
I'd say it's more of a kafkaesque bureaucratic distopia than a sci-fi one
You can find instances of Terry from his homeless period (sad that this is even a sentence I can write) where he uses the same slur for random black people passing by, without the CIA affiliation. There are also a lot of instances where that slur is used in the context of calling something dumb or a bad idea.
I do not blame Terry, he was obviously extremely unwell. However it's pretty bold to claim that there wasn't a racial connection with his use of, uh, racial slurs.
I’m not sure how to take you. My jump to conclusion knee jerk assumption is you are some level of racist and smug/out of touch.
Did you check any of the songs?
As someone who barely knows popular music, but could recognize some names, I checked those. The first page MGK/Young Jeezy, another Young Jeezy, and Snoop’s songs —- none of them use the “er” ending in the actual songs. The lyrics on other functioning sites don’t use the “er” ending.
I wonder what makes you so confident, being on your side of such a sensitive topic. You seemingly did not do basic good faith research or verification. Seems more like you want your angry , “edgy” world view to be correct. You look for things to prove that. Not actual truth or facts.
I normally don’t behave this outwardly aggressive, but to point to a half broken lyrics.com site that is wildly incorrect as your worldview evidence...ah I don’t know.
The best outcome from Terry's legacy is to show people that the hobby community will respect your work even if you are a "nuanced" person
The worst outcome is someone seeing a pattern of racism being ignored that is not so "nuanced". This will cause people to open up less, viewing an endorsement and not a tolerance
A little background: The “glowing” remarks refer to Terry Davis’ racist, schizophrenic exclamations about being followed by CIA agents that glow in the dark.
Fascinating guy, fascinating OS. If you don’t know Terry at all, the video linked in another comment is a good high-level introduction. For a bit more detail on his technical philosophy this last interview with him can be insightful: https://youtu.be/HXwNTw4I6Ok
This fork throws away some of Terry’ supposedly divinely dictated limitations, so I can only imagine what videos he’d record about it. Still, it’s a fascinating exploration and continuation of his legacy (that he enabled by sharing the code).
Barely related, Terry just used extreme racist language. From his Wikipedia
"Although Davis remained lucid when discussing computer-related subjects, his communication skills were significantly affected by his schizophrenia. He was controversial for his regular use of racial epithets, which he explained was his way of combating actors of psychological warfare. "
He had some problems but the internet tried to put up with him. He had a few accounts here, usually only lasting a few comments before being banned. People were genuine with him and when he made a decent post it would be vouched for and seen.
As someone who struggles with mental health issues too, it was very endearing seeing how he was treated despite his issues here and elsewhere online.
Temple OS is fascinating: TempleOS (formerly J Operating System, LoseThos, and SparrowOS) is a biblical-themed lightweight operating system designed to be the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible. It was created by American programmer Terry A. Davis, who developed it alone over the course of a decade after a series of manic episodes that he later described as a revelation from God.
There is a theory in psychology that frequent socialization like most healthy adults have with friends, family and even coworkers is essential for mental health.
There are many reasons for that, but I would like to focus on the corrective behavior it implicitly propagates
(Which is also a bit dystopian) if you start having deviating thoughts, then your social interactions will likely function as a correction.
If you start talking about lizard aliens (horrible example) then you will get feedback either directly or indirectly that it is erroneous meme.
The dystopian aspect of it is that this social control can over correct and serve to keep novel ideas and approaches from being pursued.
History is filled with people going against the very center of common wisdom. Most of the time it is probably erroneous memes but now and again it a brilliant realization that will turn out to be correct.
This social conditioning can also happen in reverse, when you end up in a social circle that already has established an alternate model with incorrect memes. This can lead to radicalization and anti-social and violent behavior.
The mechanism is the same, but the outcome is the opposite.
As modern western society tries to make strides to be more inclusive and trying to adopt a dogma of acceptable traits and behavior that are considered "inclusive" and then some go to great lengths to enforce and evangelize a particular dogma of inclusiveness, the result is that new section of society is excluded.
There is much work to stop racist, sexist, etc behavior, but there is also a trend to enforce neurohomogenousness.
As we learn to be more tolerant, respectful and inclusive work needs to be done to extend this to neurodivergent individuals.
One should not judge or condemn a mentally ill person due to the symptoms and manifestations that they are often not able to control.
Such a person might well be an individual with some great strengths and
a lot ot contribute.
Judging, ostracizing, and ridiculing a mentally ill person is bully behavior due to a lack of understanding of non-neurotypical challenges.
We already tolerate deviant behavior based on certain criteria.
Most feel that songs containing the N world are only acceptable if it is in the context of hiphop / rap used within a majority black group.
On the other hand, it is used by a white pride group, the music is not tolerated, protested against and attempts to silence it.
Since we already have a mechanism where intent of using an impermissible phrase and culture within where it is used decided if it is tolerable or not, should be extended to non-neurotypical people.
It is in fact a great lesson in tolerance and inclusiveness to do so.
I think the worst thing one can do to a person who suffers from mental illness is to vilify them and cast them out. This can only contribute to further decline, shame and alienation. It is withdrawing any chance of social corrective behavior. The goal here would not be compliance since that is clearly not achievable, it may help some in further decline.
If a rant, or word comes, dont get angry dont condemn, dont punish, dont encourage, dont repeat, dont mock, dont laugh, tolerate it, even when it is difficult.
It can mean the world to a mentally ill person to feel a bit of community, understanding and acceptance.
Terry had a lot to contribute, and he was a smart person, and a hard worker. He was also suffering from mental illness that was well diagnosed.
That was not his fault, nor anything he could control.
Perhaps he did not take his medication regularly.
This is common.
A majority of mentally ill people find pills to one extent, or another dulls their brains and make them a vegetable.
I am a mentally ill person.
I do my best to take my medication.
I hate what it does to my brain.
It is in no way a razor to just tweak just the right part of the brain.
It is a sledgehammer that may also help dull/tweak the part of the brain where the problem resides.
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It is, and the best playground for any OS dev...boot time is also fascinating :)
Terry must be rolling in his grave
I'm gonna build my own TempleOS fork, with blackjack and...
The guy was obviously very smart, but it’s hard to separate the work from some of the things he said. (Thinking about him dropping N-words in his videos)
As a counter example, do you feel comfortable benefitting from the work of people who you don't know haven't ever said or done anything that someone might find objectionable? If not, you're probably less morally or ethically motivated than you are susceptible to ostricism.
"Victims are ethically owed many things: recognition that what was done to them was indeed wrong, a credible indication that the society takes this seriously, an effort to identify, apprehend and punish the perpetrators, and compensation for their ongoing suffering and disadvantage. But beyond this, we have an obligation not to forget, and not to whitewash."
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/is-it-ethical-to-use-data-fr...
Consider watching a television show covering dissociative disorders.
The idea that a kind of forced toxicity can be a necessary protection to do good is worthy of a dystopian sci fi novel!
It's similar to the forced obscurity of the Urbit project.
I don't know if it's fair to call it forced toxicity, so much as psuedo-toxicity; he's using it as red herring (or maybe a honeypot?) and following the rule: if you specifically want to be avoided by cancel culture... just get yourself cancelled :)
That is, he's using the toxic word without the toxic meaning, to bypass shallow filters that lack the nuance to catch on.
I'd say it's more of a kafkaesque bureaucratic distopia than a sci-fi one
You can find instances of Terry from his homeless period (sad that this is even a sentence I can write) where he uses the same slur for random black people passing by, without the CIA affiliation. There are also a lot of instances where that slur is used in the context of calling something dumb or a bad idea.
I do not blame Terry, he was obviously extremely unwell. However it's pretty bold to claim that there wasn't a racial connection with his use of, uh, racial slurs.
Whats the problem with it? I hear that word in lots of Music Videos.
For this specific case it is more nuanced, however to pretend the same word is used in pop culture is a joke.
https://www.lyrics.com/ and put in the n-word
>For this specific case it is more nuanced, however to pretend the same word is used in pop culture is a joke.
Well it is used..check link above.
Did you check any of the songs?
As someone who barely knows popular music, but could recognize some names, I checked those. The first page MGK/Young Jeezy, another Young Jeezy, and Snoop’s songs —- none of them use the “er” ending in the actual songs. The lyrics on other functioning sites don’t use the “er” ending.
I wonder what makes you so confident, being on your side of such a sensitive topic. You seemingly did not do basic good faith research or verification. Seems more like you want your angry , “edgy” world view to be correct. You look for things to prove that. Not actual truth or facts.
I normally don’t behave this outwardly aggressive, but to point to a half broken lyrics.com site that is wildly incorrect as your worldview evidence...ah I don’t know.
The worst outcome is someone seeing a pattern of racism being ignored that is not so "nuanced". This will cause people to open up less, viewing an endorsement and not a tolerance
Two to be exact. More than 640x480 and 32bit color..
Fascinating guy, fascinating OS. If you don’t know Terry at all, the video linked in another comment is a good high-level introduction. For a bit more detail on his technical philosophy this last interview with him can be insightful: https://youtu.be/HXwNTw4I6Ok
This fork throws away some of Terry’ supposedly divinely dictated limitations, so I can only imagine what videos he’d record about it. Still, it’s a fascinating exploration and continuation of his legacy (that he enabled by sharing the code).
"Although Davis remained lucid when discussing computer-related subjects, his communication skills were significantly affected by his schizophrenia. He was controversial for his regular use of racial epithets, which he explained was his way of combating actors of psychological warfare. "
He had some problems but the internet tried to put up with him. He had a few accounts here, usually only lasting a few comments before being banned. People were genuine with him and when he made a decent post it would be vouched for and seen.
As someone who struggles with mental health issues too, it was very endearing seeing how he was treated despite his issues here and elsewhere online.
That's very Terry of the authors, considering the conspiracy theory involved here. (Yes, it's a whole thing: https://jakubmarian.com/the-432-hz-vs-440-hz-conspiracy-theo...)
There are many reasons for that, but I would like to focus on the corrective behavior it implicitly propagates (Which is also a bit dystopian) if you start having deviating thoughts, then your social interactions will likely function as a correction.
If you start talking about lizard aliens (horrible example) then you will get feedback either directly or indirectly that it is erroneous meme.
The dystopian aspect of it is that this social control can over correct and serve to keep novel ideas and approaches from being pursued.
History is filled with people going against the very center of common wisdom. Most of the time it is probably erroneous memes but now and again it a brilliant realization that will turn out to be correct.
This social conditioning can also happen in reverse, when you end up in a social circle that already has established an alternate model with incorrect memes. This can lead to radicalization and anti-social and violent behavior.
The mechanism is the same, but the outcome is the opposite.
As modern western society tries to make strides to be more inclusive and trying to adopt a dogma of acceptable traits and behavior that are considered "inclusive" and then some go to great lengths to enforce and evangelize a particular dogma of inclusiveness, the result is that new section of society is excluded.
There is much work to stop racist, sexist, etc behavior, but there is also a trend to enforce neurohomogenousness.
As we learn to be more tolerant, respectful and inclusive work needs to be done to extend this to neurodivergent individuals.
One should not judge or condemn a mentally ill person due to the symptoms and manifestations that they are often not able to control.
Such a person might well be an individual with some great strengths and a lot ot contribute.
Judging, ostracizing, and ridiculing a mentally ill person is bully behavior due to a lack of understanding of non-neurotypical challenges.
We already tolerate deviant behavior based on certain criteria. Most feel that songs containing the N world are only acceptable if it is in the context of hiphop / rap used within a majority black group.
On the other hand, it is used by a white pride group, the music is not tolerated, protested against and attempts to silence it.
Since we already have a mechanism where intent of using an impermissible phrase and culture within where it is used decided if it is tolerable or not, should be extended to non-neurotypical people.
It is in fact a great lesson in tolerance and inclusiveness to do so.
I think the worst thing one can do to a person who suffers from mental illness is to vilify them and cast them out. This can only contribute to further decline, shame and alienation. It is withdrawing any chance of social corrective behavior. The goal here would not be compliance since that is clearly not achievable, it may help some in further decline.
If a rant, or word comes, dont get angry dont condemn, dont punish, dont encourage, dont repeat, dont mock, dont laugh, tolerate it, even when it is difficult.
It can mean the world to a mentally ill person to feel a bit of community, understanding and acceptance.
Terry had a lot to contribute, and he was a smart person, and a hard worker. He was also suffering from mental illness that was well diagnosed. That was not his fault, nor anything he could control.
Perhaps he did not take his medication regularly. This is common.
A majority of mentally ill people find pills to one extent, or another dulls their brains and make them a vegetable.
I am a mentally ill person. I do my best to take my medication. I hate what it does to my brain.
It is in no way a razor to just tweak just the right part of the brain. It is a sledgehammer that may also help dull/tweak the part of the brain where the problem resides.
Further they have little ...