Well yeah, humans can survive underground huddled around breeder reactors for hundreds of years. It's pretty hard to get us extinct. It's imho a lot easier to destroy modern civilization as we know it. Widespread wars for water and arable land could totally do it.
And here's what's currently happening with food production. Two different groups of 200+ scientists and academics, separately from each other, each warned of near-term global collapse:
I notice how the last time, a lot of these climate change posts go uncommented for a long time.
Personally, I always feel gloom and doom when seeing them. We are fucked, there is no known scalable way to fix the damage if we wanted, and in fact the western world is partying straight into disaster.
Maybe I'm not alone here, so the stories get voted up but not commented on?
For what its worth, I see some hope the last few years. Some people are doing something both on a scientific and sociological level. Things are finally moving, even if it is not yet enough.
Thats a load of dung. We will no doubt be ravaged by climate change and are likely to reach 1.5 - 2 degrees warning, but we are by no means going extinct.
Focus on solutions & building resislency, not doom posting on HN
> We will no doubt be ravaged by climate change and are likely to reach 1.5 - 2 degrees warning
Yes... because we missed our chance to solve for this.
I get that humans on the whole will survive. But the "be the change you want to see in the world" type of feel goodery is complete bs. "You" are not the problem for climate change. Our politics are the problem and we seem determined to not solve that.
I will not assume what country you are from or how active you are in your local community, but here in the US among progressive or environmental groups we have seen a great deal of progress on the state & federal level on fixing the system. Lots of people are determined to solve this, sadly there is a lot of opposition too.
Don't be the change you want to see in the world, demand the change you want to see in your system. Don't rollover & accept defeat
While climate change is a serious problem it’s nowhere near an extinction level event for humanity.
While not an excuse to fuck up the planet more than we have had, we can pretty much turn it into a wasteland and still survive with modern technology it won’t be fun and it would cost many lives but realistically if you are living in a western country today you are both unfortunately and fortunately going to be shielded from most of it.
> Maybe I'm not alone here, so the stories get voted up but not commented on?
IDK, maybe.
Hypothesis:
1. Although we think its important we are tired of it because its always the same story.
2. Although we ACK the problem we want to avoid news about the imminent problem that we as individuals can not really act against.
The previous climatic changes were to “cool” periods because of vulcanology, etc. Humans at that time may not have had the technological know how to counteract the change in climate: agriculture, grain silos, hybrid plants, synthetic materials, medicines, etc., etc.
We have full blown plans to survive a nuclear winter, so I think with respect to les anciens, we have a better chance of beating it, unlike the other humanistic subspecies who didn’t make it out.
Non-extinction scenarios are still bad. People will survive but many will perish. Also, we have more technology but we may be more fragile as our 'efficiency oriented economy' show us.
For those that didn’t read yet, the author is saying a super volcanic eruption that killed off 96% of the world is climate change. Maybe this author would also argue that a meteor hitting the earth is actually climate change killing the dinosaurs.
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 52.0 ms ] threadIt's a crisis which will be a catastrophe, but under no plausible endgame is extinction for us.
* [defaunation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction#Defaunatio...) * [humans just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed 83% of wild mammals](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/21/human-ra...) * [humanity has wiped out 60% of animal populations since 1970, report finds ](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/30/humanity...)
We're currently seeing a global ecosystem collapse:
* [study finds ocean ecosystems likely to collapse in 2020s and land species in 2040s unless global warming stemmed](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/08/wildlife...) * [studies show drought and heat waves will cause massive die-offs, killing most trees alive today.](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/24042020/forest-trees-cli...) * [multiple overlapping crises could trigger 'Global Systemic Collapse'](https://www.sciencealert.com/hundreds-of-top-scientists-warn...) * [246 academics call on government to act now to avoid global collapse ](https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/02/04/opinion/246-acad...) * [Planet's largest ecosystems collapse faster than previously forecast](https://phys.org/news/2020-03-planet-largest-ecosystems-coll...)
World's oceans are also acidifying [to a similar rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification#Rate) as the Permian extinction (but again in 100 years instead of 20k-60k), with an [anoxic event](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event#Consequences ) locked in [after 1,000ppm or 360 gigatons](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170920182116.h...), which we will reach by 2100 at the latest. So that's whatever's left wiped out.
And here's what's currently happening with food production. Two different groups of 200+ scientists and academics, separately from each other, each warned of near-term global collapse:
* https://www.sciencealert.com/hundreds-of-top-scientists-warn... * hyperman1 ↗ I notice how the last time, a lot of these climate change posts go uncommented for a long time. bioinformatics ↗ Do something then, you can be the example to us all. whodidwhatnow ↗ > We are fucked, there is no known scalable way to fix the damage if we wanted ahevia ↗ Thats a load of dung. We will no doubt be ravaged by climate change and are likely to reach 1.5 - 2 degrees warning, but we are by no means going extinct. [deleted] ↗ (comment deleted) whodidwhatnow ↗ > We will no doubt be ravaged by climate change and are likely to reach 1.5 - 2 degrees warning ahevia ↗ I will not assume what country you are from or how active you are in your local community, but here in the US among progressive or environmental groups we have seen a great deal of progress on the state & federal level on fixing the system. Lots of people are determined to solve this, sadly there is a lot of opposition too. [deleted] ↗ (comment deleted) adrianN ↗ We likely missed our chance to limit warming to 1.5°, but we haven't missed our chance to stay below 2.5°. Every tenth of a degree counts. [dead] Proven ↗ - Nothing was done about Climate Change back then dogma1138 ↗ While climate change is a serious problem it’s nowhere near an extinction level event for humanity. jp555 ↗ "Over the long term, the future is decided by optimists." Kevin Kelly lobocinza ↗ > Maybe I'm not alone here, so the stories get voted up but not commented on? mc32 ↗ The previous climatic changes were to “cool” periods because of vulcanology, etc. Humans at that time may not have had the technological know how to counteract the change in climate: agriculture, grain silos, hybrid plants, synthetic materials, medicines, etc., etc. lobocinza ↗ Non-extinction scenarios are still bad. People will survive but many will perish. Also, we have more technology but we may be more fragile as our 'efficiency oriented economy' show us. [dead] zackees ↗ For those that didn’t read yet, the author is saying a super volcanic eruption that killed off 96% of the world is climate change. Maybe this author would also argue that a meteor hitting the earth is actually climate change killing the dinosaurs.
Personally, I always feel gloom and doom when seeing them. We are fucked, there is no known scalable way to fix the damage if we wanted, and in fact the western world is partying straight into disaster.
Maybe I'm not alone here, so the stories get voted up but not commented on?
For what its worth, I see some hope the last few years. Some people are doing something both on a scientific and sociological level. Things are finally moving, even if it is not yet enough.
But there isn't anything to do. We missed our chance.
Focus on solutions & building resislency, not doom posting on HN
https://www.drawdown.org/ https://nori.com/podcasts/reversing-climate-change https://gimletmedia.com/shows/howtosaveaplanet
Yes... because we missed our chance to solve for this.
I get that humans on the whole will survive. But the "be the change you want to see in the world" type of feel goodery is complete bs. "You" are not the problem for climate change. Our politics are the problem and we seem determined to not solve that.
Don't be the change you want to see in the world, demand the change you want to see in your system. Don't rollover & accept defeat
- It was an "extinction" event
- In reality, nothing really happened, and here we go again, people feel gloom and doom...
> Things are finally moving, even if it is not yet enough.
Here's a link for you, Buffet and other heroes who can help the good things happen faster: https://fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.html
While not an excuse to fuck up the planet more than we have had, we can pretty much turn it into a wasteland and still survive with modern technology it won’t be fun and it would cost many lives but realistically if you are living in a western country today you are both unfortunately and fortunately going to be shielded from most of it.
IDK, maybe.
Hypothesis:
1. Although we think its important we are tired of it because its always the same story. 2. Although we ACK the problem we want to avoid news about the imminent problem that we as individuals can not really act against.
We have full blown plans to survive a nuclear winter, so I think with respect to les anciens, we have a better chance of beating it, unlike the other humanistic subspecies who didn’t make it out.