Branding the conservative part of the country as nazis and making ridiculous statements about white supremacy being the greatest threat to this country is part of the problem. There is plenty of lunacy on both sides of the political spectrum.
One side acting as if they are arbiters of truth and justice, when everyday we have to live with the destruction that they've shown not only in this country but the world, does more to unbalance and polarize than all the conspiracy theories of the right thrown together.
I think there is a disentangling of the two sides: media, states, companies, people, etc... It appears to be fractal. States are turning left and right. Cities going left and right. Suburbs going left and right. Media going left and right.
It would help if people who were voting against each other were at least allies when it came to country and constitution, life and liberty, but it increasingly appears that a good many people are simply voting to try and upend the entire thing.
If it keeps going that way then war is simply inevitable because people will get to the point where they literally have no choice but to, at great sacrifice, urgently stop radicals from cannibalizing basic civic stability and economic prosperity. Otherwise there won’t be any country left to vote and thrive in.
It’s my opinion that anyone who wants to vote should be required to go through the same process as someone who wants to become a citizen, demonstrate an understanding and respect for the foundations of what they wish to participate in and not be “allowed in” if they are found to actually an enemy to it.
Vote suppression they will say, but what’s wrong with that if it’s suppressing something that wishes only to destroy?
Too late. It is already a civil war. The right-wing is in open war against democracy and truth. It is a cold civil war against America. The only question is when it becomes a hot civil war.
"High conflict" is already here. It is the the natural nature of a right-winger.
> a fight less about the issue at hand and more about owning the other side.
Yes, "owning the libs" is about the only policy of the right wing left. They have no real other policy. Unless you consider bringing more suffering, more lies, and more death to the table.
> I have yet to read her book, but it seems to me that the difference between good conflict and high conflict is that in good conflict our position is negotiable, while in high conflict our position is sacred.
The Big Lie is now the sacred position. The right-wing never negotiates or acts in good faith. Deception is the name of the game already. To act in any form of good faith is viewed as weak by the right wing. You do not negotiate with a right winger. They will only accept you bending the knee.
> In high conflict, we cannot imagine that our adversaries could have any legitimate justification for their beliefs.
The right wing has rejected democracy and truth. They want fascism. There's no need to find out the justification for evil. I do not need legitimate or illegitimate justification to not want their results.
> Ripley suggests that to get out of high conflict, one needs to “investigate the understory.” As she puts it to Mounk, “Every conflict has a thing we argue about endlessly, and then the thing it’s really about.”
There is no "understory" for the right wing anymore. There is no "story" even. Only daily new lies and deceit.
> If you try to find an “understory” for your opponent, then, rather than take their opinions at face value
We do not need an understory for the right wing. They seek to overthrow our democracy. They say to your face the evil they intend. You can believe them.
> It keeps you from listening to the other person, and moreover the other person knows that you are not listening.
The right wing has stopped listening long ago. Or they listen a little but repeat deception, lies, and half-truth for their propaganda.
> What emotion am I feeling that makes me too heavily invested in this dispute?
The right wing seeks the end of our democracy. I am witnessing the fall of America at the hands of right wing facsism. You could say I'm invested in not seeing my country be destroyed by the right wing.
> Ripley says that one of the keys to getting out of high conflict is to disengage from conflict entrepreneurs. Stop following the conflict entrepreneurs. I would say to start following instead people like Mounk and Ripley and the Fantasy Intellectual Teams category leaders.
The right wing has fully accepted and integrated the conflict entrepreneurs. Nothing I do will end this before the civil war turns hot. No number of non-right-wingers engaging in truth will change the right wings total rejection of truth.
> But I suspect that only a minority of Americans are caught up in this high-conflict dynamic.
Over 74 million stood with a man of sin. While they are a technical minority, that's still going to lead to a hot civil war. Millions and millions repeat the lies of their own free will. I know exactly what the common right winger stands for. Their politicians' corruption, greed, cruelty, selfishness, and deceit.
> The challenge is to keep this minority from taking control of political life.
The right wing is a minority that has controlled the political landscape for decades now. It is too late.
> Ripley discusses ways that we as individuals can escape from high conflict.
The cold civil war is already here, and it is bound to turn hot soon enough. It is too late to ignore the enemies domestic.
> She points out that sometimes an external shock can remind us of our common humanity and shared national interest, provided that our...
Except that in America, the political right has now joined the alt-right in a state of “high conflict”, and are not only _actively preparing_ for civil war, but in many cases are _actively pushing FOR it._
The political right believes it is its god-given right to rule over America without interference by leftists, non-whites, and other undesirables, and is actually planning to kick off the apocalypse all on their own, especially if it doesn’t occur organically.
The right might be batshit insane, but they’re still almost half the country - and almost all of them are wrapped up in anti-reality fake-news delusions that fly in the face of real-world evidence (just look how many smooth-brained ignoramuses still think that the election was stolen despite zero evidence and scads of Republican and Trump-appointed judges throwing out the lawsuits for lack of evidence). It’s a powder keg that only needs the right match to detonate.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 39.1 ms ] threadWar is terrible. Violence is terrible.
One side acting as if they are arbiters of truth and justice, when everyday we have to live with the destruction that they've shown not only in this country but the world, does more to unbalance and polarize than all the conspiracy theories of the right thrown together.
If it keeps going that way then war is simply inevitable because people will get to the point where they literally have no choice but to, at great sacrifice, urgently stop radicals from cannibalizing basic civic stability and economic prosperity. Otherwise there won’t be any country left to vote and thrive in.
It’s my opinion that anyone who wants to vote should be required to go through the same process as someone who wants to become a citizen, demonstrate an understanding and respect for the foundations of what they wish to participate in and not be “allowed in” if they are found to actually an enemy to it.
Vote suppression they will say, but what’s wrong with that if it’s suppressing something that wishes only to destroy?
"High conflict" is already here. It is the the natural nature of a right-winger.
> a fight less about the issue at hand and more about owning the other side. Yes, "owning the libs" is about the only policy of the right wing left. They have no real other policy. Unless you consider bringing more suffering, more lies, and more death to the table.
> I have yet to read her book, but it seems to me that the difference between good conflict and high conflict is that in good conflict our position is negotiable, while in high conflict our position is sacred.
The Big Lie is now the sacred position. The right-wing never negotiates or acts in good faith. Deception is the name of the game already. To act in any form of good faith is viewed as weak by the right wing. You do not negotiate with a right winger. They will only accept you bending the knee.
> In high conflict, we cannot imagine that our adversaries could have any legitimate justification for their beliefs.
The right wing has rejected democracy and truth. They want fascism. There's no need to find out the justification for evil. I do not need legitimate or illegitimate justification to not want their results.
> Ripley suggests that to get out of high conflict, one needs to “investigate the understory.” As she puts it to Mounk, “Every conflict has a thing we argue about endlessly, and then the thing it’s really about.”
There is no "understory" for the right wing anymore. There is no "story" even. Only daily new lies and deceit.
> If you try to find an “understory” for your opponent, then, rather than take their opinions at face value
We do not need an understory for the right wing. They seek to overthrow our democracy. They say to your face the evil they intend. You can believe them.
> It keeps you from listening to the other person, and moreover the other person knows that you are not listening.
The right wing has stopped listening long ago. Or they listen a little but repeat deception, lies, and half-truth for their propaganda.
> What emotion am I feeling that makes me too heavily invested in this dispute?
The right wing seeks the end of our democracy. I am witnessing the fall of America at the hands of right wing facsism. You could say I'm invested in not seeing my country be destroyed by the right wing.
> Ripley says that one of the keys to getting out of high conflict is to disengage from conflict entrepreneurs. Stop following the conflict entrepreneurs. I would say to start following instead people like Mounk and Ripley and the Fantasy Intellectual Teams category leaders.
The right wing has fully accepted and integrated the conflict entrepreneurs. Nothing I do will end this before the civil war turns hot. No number of non-right-wingers engaging in truth will change the right wings total rejection of truth.
> But I suspect that only a minority of Americans are caught up in this high-conflict dynamic.
Over 74 million stood with a man of sin. While they are a technical minority, that's still going to lead to a hot civil war. Millions and millions repeat the lies of their own free will. I know exactly what the common right winger stands for. Their politicians' corruption, greed, cruelty, selfishness, and deceit.
> The challenge is to keep this minority from taking control of political life.
The right wing is a minority that has controlled the political landscape for decades now. It is too late.
> Ripley discusses ways that we as individuals can escape from high conflict.
The cold civil war is already here, and it is bound to turn hot soon enough. It is too late to ignore the enemies domestic.
> She points out that sometimes an external shock can remind us of our common humanity and shared national interest, provided that our...
The political right believes it is its god-given right to rule over America without interference by leftists, non-whites, and other undesirables, and is actually planning to kick off the apocalypse all on their own, especially if it doesn’t occur organically.
The right might be batshit insane, but they’re still almost half the country - and almost all of them are wrapped up in anti-reality fake-news delusions that fly in the face of real-world evidence (just look how many smooth-brained ignoramuses still think that the election was stolen despite zero evidence and scads of Republican and Trump-appointed judges throwing out the lawsuits for lack of evidence). It’s a powder keg that only needs the right match to detonate.