Andy Hertzfeld member of the original Apple Macintosh development team during the 1980s, now doing lead designer of Google+ (the circles UI? that's his and his team's code)
I have a better question. How many of these people are actually posting? It feels a little pointless to follow a bunch of people who have no public posts.
I've gone through all the links in this thread (at the time of writing) and included only those where I can see posts (i.e more than just uploading a profile photo). I've simply copy/pasted the links from the original submitters into this post. Hope it's useful. (edit: I also put them all in a spreadsheet which anyone can edit http://bit.ly/nBqc8e)
So, how are these hackers sharing their technical insights on G+ without bothering their real-life friends and family?
That's right, they aren't.
Unless you manually add all your followers to a 'followers' circle and share to that (and subsequently pollute your default stream with your followers' posts) there's currently no way on G+ to keep your technical public persona apart from your more personal, private one.
Of course it's a concern, it's a problem circles were supposed to resolve. I for one am still barely sharing anything, because I don't want to bother people with posts that I know will not be interesting to them.
And yes, tagging would be nice as well, but I don't think one should have to explain to his/her mother to filter out their #tech and #business posts. That just won't work.
So in other words, Circles are backwards from Twitter, and this is a problem.
I guess G+ needs a mechanism to allow people to ask to subscribe to a Circle, and the owner can approve or deny it. (Or set an option to auto-allow.)
That keeps the privacy aspect, but also makes it easy for people to follow or be followed.
If that happened, then the circles themselves would become the tags.
Another post here on HN talks about Circles not being Groups. (The Zuckerberg one.)
Reposting my comments from there:
I would definitely like to see Google add groups as pseudo-people... And then you can put that group in a Circle and share to it.
People in the group can see who else is in the group. Groups could be curated (need approval to join) or just open to anyone, and moderated (need approval to post) or not depending on the choices made by the group owner.
I, too, believe this is a problem. My idea of circles is to segregate them into different, private sectors. I currently face this problem on Facebook and Twitter. I tend to use Facebook for only personal friends and family whereas I use Twitter for networking and technology. Ideally I would use both of these networks for both purposes, but there is no easy way to promote separation and ensure that my messages/tweets go to the right parties.
I have no drive to create separate accounts for each social network. My personal preference would be to have different façades publicly viewable to different groups. I would treat Facebook very differently if I was given the opportunity to separate these groups and target them individually. I have a belief that Facebook tried to accomplish this with groups but fell short on exactly what I've been waning for.
As an aside, there is a Hacker News group for those of you who may not be aware.
I have a very early stage startup called Subjot, with a goal to create a network that matches people with the posts they care about. We are in private beta but you can use this invite code to check it out - http://sjot.it/m0bqQy
Subjot is a microblogging site where you assign subjects to your status updates. Then instead of following people and EVERYTHING they post, you subscribe to people's subjects and only see their status updates in the subjects you have subscribed to.
I'd love everyone's feedback on the product. I think G+ is only solving the problem of selectively publishing and not of selectively subscribing to updates that might be interesting to you.
I've always though that personae-based would be better than circle-based. You could even have people like the former _why who have an entirely separate online presence.
In all honesty, if these people really care about this, they'll have an account for their "online personality" and a personal account.
See the difference between Facebook fan pages and actual Facebook profiles. Of course, now the problem is that there is no elegant way (currently) to manage 2 G+ accounts...
It seems to me that the most active use for G+ at the moment is as a broadcasting system, very much like Twitter. Maybe Google has envisioned this, maybe not. I admit I didn't. I thought Google would have done whatever it takes to promote more intimate and private communication among close friend circles.
But while G+ is arguably a better broadcasting system than Twitter, it is still broken. A tech celeb would love to consistently post tech stuffs, but while this activity satisfies his geeky followers, it would annoy his friends and families. And there is no way a tech celeb can manually add his followers into different circles.
I imagine if G+ fixes this problem, it will completely replace Twitter in no time at all.
One solution is to introduce a concept called Channels.
Suppose I follow DHH. The problem is DHH has a lot of interests, ranging from Ruby, entrepreneurship, to Forbes bashing (DHH fans bear it with me here). Now DHH doesn't know who among his followers cares about which of his interests, but he creates some Channels, namely "Ruby", "Entrepreneurship", "Forbes Bashing", etc anyway, so followers can filter themselves.
Now a Rails guy found DHH's G+ page. He would like to follow DHH, but he doesn't care so much about DHH's financial insight. Now that when he adds DHH to his "Follow" Circle, he can choose to pick some among many DHH's Channels and everyone is happy.
Finally, DHH's "public" posts are only visible to those who specifically added him to the "Follow" circle.
Sounds like it would work like the feed-anywhere system on WordPress. I could grab the robotics feed from an interesting person at example.com/robotics/feed/ and easily forget that it's actually a competitive crochet blog.
I've been working on an early stage startup which does something very similar to this, although less celebrity focused and more on common circles. It's funny actually, when Google+ happened, I figured they did exactly what we've been working on, but they didn't. Seeing as everyone on HN seems to want something like this now though, it seems to be putting a lot of pressure on.
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 110 ms ] threadScott Hanselman's profile, Principal Program Manager @ Microsoft. Prolific online presence: https://plus.google.com/113698589973698283456/posts
Matt Cutts: head of the webspam team at Google. https://plus.google.com/109412257237874861202/posts
Armin Ronacher - creator of Flask (Python web framework) https://plus.google.com/116865269069705863179/posts
Resig - creator of jquery https://plus.google.com/115675748062237570841/posts
..although it's not run by Google.
Maybe they'll end up getting gpl.us
I don't get it. Google already has usernames - why not use them?
You can use http://gplus.to to make a shortname though.
David Pollak Creator of Lift https://plus.google.com/105156943245180312120/posts
https://plus.google.com/117840649766034848455
Michael Foord (aka voidspace, fuzzyman): https://plus.google.com/u/1/114852031032123777881/posts
Simon Willison: https://plus.google.com/u/1/106366615678321494423/posts
Jannis Leidel: https://plus.google.com/u/1/116135559313623469613/posts
Jesse Noller: https://plus.google.com/u/1/115662513673837016240/posts
Brett Cannon: https://plus.google.com/u/1/115362263245161504841/posts
Graham Dumpleton: https://plus.google.com/u/1/114657481176404420131/posts
Waldemar Kornewald: https://plus.google.com/u/1/112495598999878465094/posts
Brian Rosner: https://plus.google.com/u/1/102458913105606955755/posts
Eric Florenzano: https://plus.google.com/u/1/109591387819364984777/posts
Ian Bicking: https://plus.google.com/104537541227697934010/posts
Mark Chu-Carroll: https://plus.google.com/102359124322399475449/posts
Also, just came across this post https://plus.google.com/111379026657101157995/posts/Sirk5KSb... though those recommendations are mostly tech industry and blogger types not really hackers.
I've gone through all the links in this thread (at the time of writing) and included only those where I can see posts (i.e more than just uploading a profile photo). I've simply copy/pasted the links from the original submitters into this post. Hope it's useful. (edit: I also put them all in a spreadsheet which anyone can edit http://bit.ly/nBqc8e)
Guido van Rossum: https://plus.google.com/115212051037621986145/posts
Ian Bicking: https://plus.google.com/104537541227697934010/posts
Michael Foord: https://plus.google.com/u/1/114852031032123777881/posts
Simon Willison: https://plus.google.com/u/1/106366615678321494423/posts
Brett Cannon: https://plus.google.com/u/1/115362263245161504841/posts
Graham Dumpleton: https://plus.google.com/u/1/114657481176404420131/posts
Waldemar Kornewald: https://plus.google.com/u/1/112495598999878465094/posts
Eric Florenzano: https://plus.google.com/u/1/109591387819364984777/posts
Randall Munroe: XKCD. https://plus.google.com/111588569124648292310/posts
Matt Cutts: https://plus.google.com/109412257237874861202/posts
Brad Fitzpatrick: https://plus.google.com/115863474911002159675/posts
Scott Hanselman: https://plus.google.com/113698589973698283456/posts
Ryan Dahl: https://plus.google.com/115094562986465477143/posts
Andy Hertzfeld: https://plus.google.com/117840649766034848455/posts
Adrian Holovaty: https://plus.google.com/113607435918549143249/posts
Armin Ronacher: https://plus.google.com/116865269069705863179/posts
Don Stewart: https://plus.google.com/115274377971493973150/posts
Paul Buchheit: https://plus.google.com/111732375221065535359/posts
Bob Rudis: https://plus.google.com/106858596733931987499/posts
Graham Cluley: https://plus.google.com/102593062779602837630/posts
Naked security (Sophos): https://plus.google.com/109804632067529299377/posts
That's right, they aren't.
Unless you manually add all your followers to a 'followers' circle and share to that (and subsequently pollute your default stream with your followers' posts) there's currently no way on G+ to keep your technical public persona apart from your more personal, private one.
Facebook for friends and family, Google+ for all the tech and work stuff.
Hopefully, G+ will eventually implement tagging and people can filter out tags they don't like.
And yes, tagging would be nice as well, but I don't think one should have to explain to his/her mother to filter out their #tech and #business posts. That just won't work.
I guess G+ needs a mechanism to allow people to ask to subscribe to a Circle, and the owner can approve or deny it. (Or set an option to auto-allow.)
That keeps the privacy aspect, but also makes it easy for people to follow or be followed.
If that happened, then the circles themselves would become the tags.
Another post here on HN talks about Circles not being Groups. (The Zuckerberg one.)
Reposting my comments from there:
I would definitely like to see Google add groups as pseudo-people... And then you can put that group in a Circle and share to it.
People in the group can see who else is in the group. Groups could be curated (need approval to join) or just open to anyone, and moderated (need approval to post) or not depending on the choices made by the group owner.
I have no drive to create separate accounts for each social network. My personal preference would be to have different façades publicly viewable to different groups. I would treat Facebook very differently if I was given the opportunity to separate these groups and target them individually. I have a belief that Facebook tried to accomplish this with groups but fell short on exactly what I've been waning for.
As an aside, there is a Hacker News group for those of you who may not be aware.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/114326995294656?ap=1
Subjot is a microblogging site where you assign subjects to your status updates. Then instead of following people and EVERYTHING they post, you subscribe to people's subjects and only see their status updates in the subjects you have subscribed to.
I'd love everyone's feedback on the product. I think G+ is only solving the problem of selectively publishing and not of selectively subscribing to updates that might be interesting to you.
See the difference between Facebook fan pages and actual Facebook profiles. Of course, now the problem is that there is no elegant way (currently) to manage 2 G+ accounts...
Gina Trapani (Lifehacker): https://plus.google.com/113612142759476883204/posts
Merlin Mann (43folders): https://plus.google.com/100537991844787325512/posts
Marco Arment (Instapaper): https://plus.google.com/110386126391315414323/posts
Tim Bray: https://plus.google.com/107606703558161507946/posts
But while G+ is arguably a better broadcasting system than Twitter, it is still broken. A tech celeb would love to consistently post tech stuffs, but while this activity satisfies his geeky followers, it would annoy his friends and families. And there is no way a tech celeb can manually add his followers into different circles.
I imagine if G+ fixes this problem, it will completely replace Twitter in no time at all.
One solution is to introduce a concept called Channels.
Suppose I follow DHH. The problem is DHH has a lot of interests, ranging from Ruby, entrepreneurship, to Forbes bashing (DHH fans bear it with me here). Now DHH doesn't know who among his followers cares about which of his interests, but he creates some Channels, namely "Ruby", "Entrepreneurship", "Forbes Bashing", etc anyway, so followers can filter themselves.
Now a Rails guy found DHH's G+ page. He would like to follow DHH, but he doesn't care so much about DHH's financial insight. Now that when he adds DHH to his "Follow" Circle, he can choose to pick some among many DHH's Channels and everyone is happy.
Finally, DHH's "public" posts are only visible to those who specifically added him to the "Follow" circle.