Since this is here, I wanted to repost something I shared a few months ago about COVID vaccines (I sincerely hope it helps someone out there).
My brothers Mother in Law died due to COVID, and she got COVID a week after her first vaccination (it was one of the two dose vaccines). I do not know the exact circumstances about how she got it, but I got the impression that she and her husband thought they were "okay" just because they got their first dose.
You are not out of the woods just because you got your first dose COVID vaccine! It will take time for it to take affect, do your research on it!!
I'm very sorry. Unfortunately that is a misunderstanding that has been common. One is most certainly not immediately protected. It's something of a threshold effect, rather suddenly (over a period of some hours to a couple days) you go from very little to a meaningful level of antibodies. This occurs anywhere from some hours to as much as a couple weeks after vaccination. And of course the second dose re-challenge used in most of the vaccines, improves the strength and durability of the immunization. So yes, please give it a few weeks to do its work.
The Pfizer trial showed strong effects, on the aggregate level, starting 10-15 days after the first dose. Suggesting that mere hours may be sufficient is at best misleading.
Okay? And the Astrazeneca vaccine shows a detectable level of antibodies and possible protection within 24 hours in some people. There are like a dozen COVID-19 vaccines in use right now, all of which likely have slightly different properties in this regard.
Which brings me to the bottom line of my last comment, again. Wait at least several weeks, because there is absolutely no guarantee that would happen for you, or for the particular vaccine you got.
The ethics of deciding whether to get vaccinated is different than the ethics of whether to wear a helmet or seatbelt too: if you go without a helmet, you will only hurt yourself, and we can still harvest your organs. So go right ahead. But if you refuse to get vaccinated, you could be responsible for the sickness and possible death of hundreds of strangers. So that is really quite immoral.
How does not being vaccinated put anyone else’s life in danger? As far as I am aware, the vaccine does not prevent you from getting or spreading it, only reduces the symptoms drastically.
It absolutely does prevent you from getting it and spreading it. That’s the whole point of herd immunity. It’s the point of vaccines in general. How do you think we got rid of smallpox? People got vaccinated, and it died out. Now there is no such thing as smallpox, so nobody even has to get a smallpox vaccine anymore. We won.. There hasn’t been a case of smallpox since 1978. A disease that killed hundreds of millions, and it’s gone forever. We could do the same to covid.
But this is not a vaccine, it does not prevent you from getting it and spreading it, its advertised as preventing symptoms from being as bad. It reduces the chance you get/spread it too, but does not prevent.
No, the manufacturers of all the current "vaccines" are clear that none of them prevents transmission of the disease, nor creates immunity - the only claim they make is that they should lessen the symptoms of an infection.
Go read what they've actually written and claimed in their filings, rather than the propaganda of their corporate or government PR flacks.
How has that worked out for Influenza? Wiped out yet? We've only been vaccinating for it for 75 YEARS!
We're not likely to wipe out SARS-Co-V2 or similar viruses. Like the flu, "Covid" or some other mutation of the Wuhan virus will most likely be with us for thousands of years.
Epidemiology is all about the statistics of infection and transmission.
Being vaccinated greatly reduces the probability you will get infected, and if you do become infected, it greatly reduces the viral load and thus your ability to infect others.
Nothing is perfect, but being vaccinated strongly reduces your chances of a) getting infected in the first place; and then b) thus passing it on to someone else.
> A new CDC study provides strong evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections in real-world conditions
In my country, the age group that took up the most hospital beds was the 45 - 64 year olds. [1] This is probably true for your country too.
The vaccine will prevent you from being hospitalised and burdening the healthcare system. This will allow cancer diagnosis/treatments, surgery and other life saving procedures to go ahead for other people.
Ok, so as long as I am not hospitalized with covid I am not putting anyone else’s life in danger. I’m lucky I am in one of the least effected demographics then. Of course no one knows whether or not they’ll have a good response but that’s a risk I’m willing to take based on the data I’ve seen.
Scare article. Delta is more communicable, but less dangerous than the original variant. Vaccines aren't magic, and this one for Covid-19 isn't even really a vaccine: According to the FDA and other global health authorities, it is instead an unproven and unapproved gene therapy.
While the SARS-Co-V2 virus can indeed be deadly (though usually only with serious comorbidities), you really have to wonder if the very minimal risk to the non-elderly population is worth making permanent and irreversible changes to your DNA that are designed to provoke a lifelong autoimmune response. I've had the virus (so I now have superior natural immunity), but despite it nearly putting me in the hospital, I'm convinced that not risking the "vaccine" was absolutely the right call - YMMV.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this, but the current early evidence indicates that we are already beginning to see a great many people suffering and dying as a result of overactive immune systems and aggravated (or possibly even new) autoimmune conditions.
Giving an experimental, unproven gene therapy "vaccine" to this many people (a substantial portion of the world's population) in the midst of an active outbreak (this is a well-known "never do" in epidemiology) was beyond irresponsible - and can probably only be categorized as criminal. THAT is the science.
What they haven't done is adjust spacetime so that we know what the vaccine could potentially do - a year down the line? two years?
We literally do not know. At all. We can make educated guesses. At that point - I'd rather abstain from the jab for now at least until this flu season is over.
Feel free to judge me for my personal opinions but I'm not getting it yet. Too early for me. Let everyone else be the guinea pigs.
The last couple of weeks of VAERS data confirms that while deaths from the "vaccine" are still rare, the "vaccines" are now killing twice as many people as the virus itself. Public Health Scotland last week admitted that over 5500 people have died in Scotland (pop. 8.4M)within 28 days of taking the "vaccine", a death rate also exceeds the death rate from the virus itself.
Given that the CDC admits that since VAERS reporting is voluntary, only around 10% of incidents are likely reported, that should be enough evidence of "vaccine" danger to give anyone pause. Also, it's a travesty that CDC has flipped the usual "must be proven safe and effective" process on it's head to "has not yet established a causal link to the Covid-19 vaccines". (See last Friday's update at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad...)
Knowing that lets us do a little math about expected death rates. In 2019, ~58,000 Scots died over the course of the year; that gives a rough chance of dying on any given day of 0.002%.
As of today, about 3m Scots are fully vaccinated vaccine, and another ~1m have either received a single dose or are still within the 2 week period after the second dose. If you add up the 28 day periods after those doses, that gives 196m days of Scots living "within 28 days of taking the 'vaccine'". You would then expect ~5,700 of them to die even if given saline, just by the underlying death rate.
So 5,500 is actually a bit lower than expected, maybe due to residual lockdown effect, or perhaps just that people who get vaccinated are generally better at risk/benefit analysis and are less likely to die from all causes.
Scotland does not have 8.4M people, it has around 5.5M people.
Can you post a source for the 5500 claim? For reference, we had around 5500 deaths in Scotland in total for 1 March - 4 April [1], so to get an extra months worth of deaths would be a big deal.
No, they can't, because they're mindlessly repeating FUD they heard 7th hand from some apoco-preppers pro-trump blog and they are on their way to purchase beef jerky, shovels, ammunition and toilet paper so that they're ready for the big one.
Several world-class scientists disagree (including some Nobel prize winners.) Regardless of semantics, the "vaccines" definitely do permanently and irreversibly configure your body's own cells to produce foreign spike proteins, thus inducing a permanent autoimmune response. We don't really need any more autoimmune diseases.
These mRNA "vaccines" have resulted in the deaths of all animals tested in several trials, yet we gave this therapy to countless millions of humans without fully informed consent, in violation of the Nuremberg protocols.
That's not how mRNA works; the whole point is that it temporarily induces some cells to produce spike protein, but this effect does not last long as mRNA by its nature decays as it is used.
> I've had the virus (so I now have superior natural immunity), but despite it nearly putting me in the hospital, I'm convinced that not risking the "vaccine" was absolutely the right call - YMMV.
I had it too, and every licensed medical authority of any kind I talked to still advised me to get the vaccine. I talk a lot of shit about the medical profession, but I'm not so deluded as to believe that my understanding of immunology is better than theirs.
If you want to believe the bullshit against mRNA vaccines and won't recommend them, at least don't spread the FUD and ideally recommend the adenovirus-based ones like J&J, AstraZeneca or Sputnik.
Or if you want to be extra luddite (or like me, it was the only thing I could reasonably get) you can recommend Coronavac from Chinese lab Sinovac or Covaxin from Indian lab Bharat Biotech, which are as old-school as they come since they're using the deactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus.
If I had any interest in any SARS-Co-V2 vaccine, it would be tone based on inactivated virus, but the risk of this virus just doesn't justify the risk of any vaccination in the first place, especially since I've had it....
very curious by this statement.
As you said it yourself the symptom of COVID are way worse than the flu. Do you also think getting the flu vaccine is not worth it?
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 102 ms ] threadMy brothers Mother in Law died due to COVID, and she got COVID a week after her first vaccination (it was one of the two dose vaccines). I do not know the exact circumstances about how she got it, but I got the impression that she and her husband thought they were "okay" just because they got their first dose.
You are not out of the woods just because you got your first dose COVID vaccine! It will take time for it to take affect, do your research on it!!
This is the study that I first posted that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26224519
Which brings me to the bottom line of my last comment, again. Wait at least several weeks, because there is absolutely no guarantee that would happen for you, or for the particular vaccine you got.
I hope everyone keeps that in mind
And with delta and lambda on the prowl, some strains are becoming vaccine resistant.
Stay safe. Wear masks.
As for vaccine resistant strains, the status is that vaccines are still effective in dealing with known variants.
Here is a study for the Lambda variant and the efficacy of the vaccines.
https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210705/Study-says-mR...
Go read what they've actually written and claimed in their filings, rather than the propaganda of their corporate or government PR flacks.
We're not likely to wipe out SARS-Co-V2 or similar viruses. Like the flu, "Covid" or some other mutation of the Wuhan virus will most likely be with us for thousands of years.
Being vaccinated greatly reduces the probability you will get infected, and if you do become infected, it greatly reduces the viral load and thus your ability to infect others.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/getting-a-pfizer-or-m...
> A new CDC study provides strong evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections in real-world conditions
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vacci...
The vaccine will prevent you from being hospitalised and burdening the healthcare system. This will allow cancer diagnosis/treatments, surgery and other life saving procedures to go ahead for other people.
[1] https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker...
Scroll to “ New Hospital Admissions by Age Group” and change to “In Total”.
While the SARS-Co-V2 virus can indeed be deadly (though usually only with serious comorbidities), you really have to wonder if the very minimal risk to the non-elderly population is worth making permanent and irreversible changes to your DNA that are designed to provoke a lifelong autoimmune response. I've had the virus (so I now have superior natural immunity), but despite it nearly putting me in the hospital, I'm convinced that not risking the "vaccine" was absolutely the right call - YMMV.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this, but the current early evidence indicates that we are already beginning to see a great many people suffering and dying as a result of overactive immune systems and aggravated (or possibly even new) autoimmune conditions.
Giving an experimental, unproven gene therapy "vaccine" to this many people (a substantial portion of the world's population) in the midst of an active outbreak (this is a well-known "never do" in epidemiology) was beyond irresponsible - and can probably only be categorized as criminal. THAT is the science.
What they haven't done is adjust spacetime so that we know what the vaccine could potentially do - a year down the line? two years?
We literally do not know. At all. We can make educated guesses. At that point - I'd rather abstain from the jab for now at least until this flu season is over.
Feel free to judge me for my personal opinions but I'm not getting it yet. Too early for me. Let everyone else be the guinea pigs.
Given that the CDC admits that since VAERS reporting is voluntary, only around 10% of incidents are likely reported, that should be enough evidence of "vaccine" danger to give anyone pause. Also, it's a travesty that CDC has flipped the usual "must be proven safe and effective" process on it's head to "has not yet established a causal link to the Covid-19 vaccines". (See last Friday's update at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad...)
Knowing that lets us do a little math about expected death rates. In 2019, ~58,000 Scots died over the course of the year; that gives a rough chance of dying on any given day of 0.002%.
As of today, about 3m Scots are fully vaccinated vaccine, and another ~1m have either received a single dose or are still within the 2 week period after the second dose. If you add up the 28 day periods after those doses, that gives 196m days of Scots living "within 28 days of taking the 'vaccine'". You would then expect ~5,700 of them to die even if given saline, just by the underlying death rate.
So 5,500 is actually a bit lower than expected, maybe due to residual lockdown effect, or perhaps just that people who get vaccinated are generally better at risk/benefit analysis and are less likely to die from all causes.
Can you post a source for the 5500 claim? For reference, we had around 5500 deaths in Scotland in total for 1 March - 4 April [1], so to get an extra months worth of deaths would be a big deal.
[1] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/march-death-rate-lowest-f...
https://fullfact.org/online/rna-vaccine-covid/
These mRNA "vaccines" have resulted in the deaths of all animals tested in several trials, yet we gave this therapy to countless millions of humans without fully informed consent, in violation of the Nuremberg protocols.
Also, that's not what autoimmune means.
Also, there were not "deaths of all animals" or even some; you can read about Pfizer's initial animal testing here: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1.... and the results here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download There's also a follow-up paper here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y
I had it too, and every licensed medical authority of any kind I talked to still advised me to get the vaccine. I talk a lot of shit about the medical profession, but I'm not so deluded as to believe that my understanding of immunology is better than theirs.
Or if you want to be extra luddite (or like me, it was the only thing I could reasonably get) you can recommend Coronavac from Chinese lab Sinovac or Covaxin from Indian lab Bharat Biotech, which are as old-school as they come since they're using the deactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus.